Old Pubs

[Retlaw]

So maybe we are all not the expert that you seem to be but this reply was rude and arrogant to a fairly new member who has joined this forum and put in what they thought.

Not very welcoming in my opinion

May be it did seem rude and arrogant to you, but after a time I get fed up with people using the same posting as opposite the Swan Hotel, when the exact location had been quoted in previous posts.
Over 60 years of collecting information regarding Accrington's history, may have made me some sort of expert, but there is still a lot I don't know about the goings on between 1290 and the mid 1500's. Now there's a task for you, but you will probably need to spend a couple of weeks down at the Record Office at Kew.
Retlaw.

 

[George Walker]

Across from the petrol station,was the Red Lion.Later to become a tyre repair
place

 

[hedman2003]

So maybe we are all not the expert that you seem to be but this reply was rude and arrogant to a fairly new member who has joined this forum and put in what they thought.

Not very welcoming in my opinion

completley agree with you good manners and politeness cost nothing it was totally rude

 

[Retlaw]

Across from the petrol station,was the Red Lion.Later to become a tyre repair
place

When the Red Lion was last used to sell ales and spirits there was no petrol station.
The Red Lion when it closed was taken over by Clarksons Tyres, then by PV Tubes. The Petrol Station didn't appear until they demolished all the property from the New Jerusalem Church to Plantation St, to make way for the bypass now known as East Gate.
In the days when the Red Lion was open across the road was the Oak Tree Inn.
Correcting the misuse of locations may seem rude to some of you newcomers, but if your going continue making the same errors you will come to believe yourselves.
If you had a fire in your house you would expect the Fire Brigade to attend wouldn't you, but they can only attend if you tell them where you are, not in Abbey St somewhere near the Swan Hotel.

State precisely and in detail what you mean or shut up.

Retlaw.

 

[hedman2003]

When the Red Lion was last used to sell ales and spirits there was no petrol station.
The Red Lion when it closed was taken over by Clarksons Tyres, then by PV Tubes. The Petrol Station didn't appear until they demolished all the property from the New Jerusalem Church to Plantation St, to make way for the bypass now known as East Gate.
In the days when the Red Lion was open across the road was the Oak Tree Inn.
Correcting the misuse of locations may seem rude to some of you newcomers, but if your going continue making the same errors you will come to believe yourselves.
If you had a fire in your house you would expect the Fire Brigade to attend wouldn't you, but they can only attend if you tell them where you are, not in Abbey St somewhere near the Swan Hotel.

State precisely and in detail what you mean or shut up.

Retlaw.

Good to see you're manners have improved!!

surely the reference to the petrol station is to assist people today to identify a location it was not saying there's alays been a petrol station at that location

If I had a fire in my house I wouldn't be saying I'm in a property that used to be opposite a building that no longer exists!!!

 

[Retlaw]

Good to see you're manners have improved!!

surely the reference to the petrol station is to assist people today to identify a location it was not saying there's alays been a petrol station at that location

If I had a fire in my house I wouldn't be saying I'm in a property that used to be opposite a building that no longer exists!!!

Well I've taken calls for fires with dafter addresses than that.
A more precise location would have been on the corner of Abbey St and the South side of Black Abbey St, opposite what is now a Tesco Petrol Station. Not opposite the Swan Inn.
Opposite the Swan Inn on the Western side of Abbey St is a car sales place, formerly used as a petrol staton, previously the site of the Wesley Church.
Retlaw.

 

[hedman2003]

Well I've taken calls for fires with dafter addresses than that.
A more precise location would have been on the corner of Abbey St and the South side of Black Abbey St, opposite what is now a Tesco Petrol Station. Not opposite the Swan Inn.
Opposite the Swan Inn on the Western side of Abbey St is a car sales place, formerly used as a petrol staton, previously the site of the Wesley Church.
Retlaw.

Just perhaps the person who started the original thread doesn't have your inbuilt knowledge of the local area and have a compass in their hand It seemed clear enough to me that the reference to opposite the Swan referred to the old PV tubes building

If we are talking precision where is the Swan Inn? I presume you mean the Swan Hotel however unlike your pompus goodself I will forgive your error

 

[Retlaw]

Just perhaps the person who started the original thread doesn't have your inbuilt knowledge of the local area and have a compass in their hand It seemed clear enough to me that the reference to opposite the Swan referred to the old PV tubes building

If we are talking precision where is the Swan Inn? I presume you mean the Swan Hotel however unlike your pompus goodself I will forgive your error

Call it what you will Swan Hotel/Inn/Pub, its still the Swan a recognisable and well known landmark. Not like some of the vague descriptions used on here. I dont have a compass in my hand, don't think I have one, what I have is spatial awareness, I know where I am and remember where I've been and what I've seen.
Retlaw.

 

[Atarah]

Grief Retlaw, you can be a grumpy thing, can't you!
Obviously the person asking the question wasnt too sure about the history of Accrington
Hi, I am wondering if anyone can help me. Did there used to a pub situated across the road from the petrol station on Abbey St

("Next to the Swan" - this was meant as a guide as to which part of the street they were talking about).

All it needed was a "YES, there was an old pub called THE RED LION, a long time ago, facing approx where the Tesco Petrol Station now is on Abbey Street
"Simple reply" Retlaw, just a simple reply was all that was needed!!!!
Consider yourself TOLD OFF!

Have attached a photo of the building in question

 

[hedman2003]

Grief Retlaw, you can be a grumpy thing, can't you!
Obviously the person asking the question wasnt too sure about the history of Accrington
Hi, I am wondering if anyone can help me. Did there used to a pub situated across the road from the petrol station on Abbey St

("Next to the Swan" - this was meant as a guide as to which part of the street they were talking about).

All it needed was a "YES, there was an old pub called THE RED LION, a long time ago, facing approx where the Tesco Petrol Station now is on Abbey Street
"Simple reply" Retlaw, just a simple reply was all that was needed!!!!
Consider yourself TOLD OFF!

Have attached a photo of the building in question

Well done Atarah completely agree with you

 

[kikine]

There was NO pub opposite the Swan Inn, the Red lion was opposite the Oak Tree Inn which was on the corner of Birtwistle St.
The Red Lion was not the first coaching house as you call it. The first Coaching Inn was the Black Bull in Bull Bridge, the next was the Bay Horse in what became Church St, then the George Inn in Abbey St.
There are no stables underneath the Red Lion (where did you get that garbage from) I have been in the cellars underneath the Red Lion and they are brick arched with an internal stone staircase.
The stables were accesssed from Black Abbey St and are still there.
Retlaw.

Apologies for putting your blood pressure up! I cannot go by previous posts as I am a new member. Am glad that you acknowledge that the stables are under there and Black Abbey street isn't too far away so it wasn't too much garbage, I knew the stables were there. I did work in that building for 13 years but will do my research on the information that I have found for myself and hopefully can share it with you and hopefully you can share yours with me.

 

[Retlaw]

Apologies for putting your blood pressure up! I cannot go by previous posts as I am a new member. Am glad that you acknowledge that the stables are under there and Black Abbey street isn't too far away so it wasn't too much garbage, I knew the stables were there. I did work in that building for 13 years but will do my research on the information that I have found for myself and hopefully can share it with you and hopefully you can share yours with me.

Sorry kikine, but the stables were never under the Red Lion, it was the beer cellar accessed internally by stone steps, it would have been nigh on impossible to get horses down there.
If you worked there then you will be aware that the first opening on the left down Black Abbey St leads to the rear of the Red Lion, to your right looking in the direction of Jacob St, you will see a building facing you, that was part of the stable block, the last time I was in there and looked round the boskins were still there, it was being used to store ladders by Pollards Paints in Warner St, they lent me the keys to explore the place. About mid 1985 I made a scale drawing of the whole block, including what was Sauls shop, and took dozens of photographs both internally and externally plus the cellars. Copies of the drawing and the photographs were deposited in Accrington Library. Did you work for P.V. Tubes.
Retlaw.

 

[kikine]

Sorry kikine, but the stables were never under the Red Lion, it was the beer cellar accessed internally by stone steps, it would have been nigh on impossible to get horses down there.
If you worked there then you will be aware that the first opening on the left down Black Abbey St leads to the rear of the Red Lion, to your right looking in the direction of Jacob St, you will see a building facing you, that was part of the stable block, the last time I was in there and looked round the boskins were still there, it was being used to store ladders by Pollards Paints in Warner St, they lent me the keys to explore the place. About mid 1985 I made a scale drawing of the whole block, including what was Sauls shop, and took dozens of photographs both internally and externally plus the cellars. Copies of the drawing and the photographs were deposited in Accrington Library. Did you work for P.V. Tubes.
Retlaw.

Thanks for the information. Yes I did work for P.V. Tubes that is why it the building always fascinated me. Over the years many people came in with snippets which were obviously wrong. Nice to know the correct details now.

Glad you are not still cross with me.

 

[cashman]

Just out of interest kikine, ya didn't also work at the victoria inn up manchester rd did ya?

 

[kikine]

Just out of interest kikine, ya didn't also work at the victoria inn up manchester rd did ya?

No not me, can't think of anyone at P.V that did.

 

[Balbus]

Later became Clarksons' Tyres?

 

[jaysay]

Later became Clarksons' Tyres?

Clarksons tyres was there in the sixties well before PV Tubes

 

[kikine]

Think after P.V closed it's doors it was boarded up, is it still? Be such a shame it is a fabulous building, full of character.

 

[Retlaw]

Think after P.V closed it's doors it was boarded up, is it still? Be such a shame it is a fabulous building, full of character.

Its still being used there is a sign on the wall "Hiliti" I think, did'nt take much notice of that.
I've attached pictures I took today.

Retlaw.

 

[kikine]

Thanks Retlaw, Would this still be a listed building?