One Step Too Far

I don't agree with changing our traditional bank holidays to suit the Moslem population of the UK. It is a case of 'where do we draw the line?' The UK has a vast Chinese population, Manchester houses the biggest Chinese population outside of China (according to news reports at Chinese New Year). You don't hear the Chinese whinging about the lack of their own special bank holidays. Would every Australian living in the UK then demand Anzac Day as their own bank holiday? Would every American want to observe Flag Day?

The list of worldwide holidays is endless. If we were to change things for one section of the community it would be discriminatory not to include all of the others.
 
The Muslim community just want their special days recognised by society.
It probably won't work, but get a grip people - it's not a signal of the four horsemen.

I don't see Britain as a 'Christian' country, I don't think it has been for over a century.
Just take a look at the sparse attendances of the Churches. It may well just be my opinion here, but I can tell you that most of the people from my generation will see it that way aswell, especially in the north-west. We've been to school and grown up amongst large percentages of Muslim people compared to past generations, I'm not saying that makes us more liberated than the wrinklies but perhaps we respect the Muslim place in our community more.

Will someone please enlighten me to the big problem.
 
makboom said:
in iraq there were brithish soldiersor the cia dressed as cavilians they were caught and then the british army when and broke in to the cells to get them out. the news was covered quick. SO WHAT!
india pakistan the british divided the country in two yes because muslims wanted a separate country but they left kashmir for the indians and muslims to fight over.which is still going on. THIS WAR HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BRITISH OR THE US!


just like america gave fighter planes to iraq to attack iran and gave iran radar detectors to detect them planes. THE US DID NOT SUPPLY FIGHTER PLANES TO IRAQ. THE IRAQI AIRFORCE WAS EQUIPPED WITH MIGS AND MIRAGES...SUPPLIED BY RUSSIA & FRANCE..AS WAS MOST OF IRAQ'S MILITARY EQUIPMENT

then the americans told saddam hussain to take over kuwait then they attacked saddam.RUBBISH - GROW UP!

the leaders have changed but the policys are the same.
before 911 when there was the oil crises in england remember it wasnt because price of the oil went up. it was saudi cutting supply because of the palestine situation.the powers behind bush and blair want the oil of the muslims and want to call them terrorist. the day muslims wake up and stop the oil then what.
the west divided the muslim land divide and concerd so they dont have the time when they had to face saladin ayubi. when muslims were united.so thats why you see on the bbc sunni and shiya fighting thats because the powers behind bush and blair want them to...

THE SHIA'S AND SUNNI'S CAN STOP FIGHTING NOW IF THEY WISH..THE DECISION RESTS ENTIRELY WITH THEM AND NO ONE ELSE. YOU KNOW THAT, I KNOW THAT AND EVERY SENSIBLE PERSON KNOWS THAT. IT IS ABOUT TIME THE MUSLIM WORLD FACES UP TO REALITY AND ITS OWN FAILINGS AND STOPS BLAMING THE US/UK/ISRAEL FOR ITS OWN INEPTITUDE.
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just cus you dont no it doesnt mean it aint happning who put israel on muslim land. and what are the british and american army doing in afganistan and iraq no nuclear in iraq and no binladin in afghanistan.they haven gone to make chapatis.you said it your self tealeaf you want oil buy liying and using terrorist means.wepons suppled to israel is from us.and a palistinian has a stone and he is a terrorist. so what if the picked up a rocket in lebonan.and them rocets are empty shells.
wake up before its to late
 
makboom said:
just cus you dont no it doesnt mean it aint happning who put israel on muslim land. and what are the british and american army doing in afganistan and iraq no nuclear in iraq and no binladin in afghanistan.they haven gone to make chapatis.you said it your self tealeaf you want oil buy liying and using terrorist means.wepons suppled to israel is from us.and a palistinian has a stone and he is a terrorist. so what if the picked up a rocket in lebonan.and them rocets are empty shells.
wake up before its to late
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...OR try getting on thread :rolleyes:
 
i can turn round and say i have evidence that 911 wasnt done by bin lardin i have evidence but why should i show it. have you seen bushs evidence yet
even the taliban said give us evidence and we will punish him. by sharia thats a dead planty. and that mula omar head of taliban he ascaped on a bike no he didnt have a yamaha r1 they had him surounded what happned
 
makboom said:
just cus you dont no it doesnt mean it aint happning who put israel on muslim land. and what are the british and american army doing in afganistan and iraq no nuclear in iraq and no binladin in afghanistan.they haven gone to make chapatis.you said it your self tealeaf you want oil buy liying and using terrorist means.wepons suppled to israel is from us.and a palistinian has a stone and he is a terrorist. so what if the picked up a rocket in lebonan.and them rocets are empty shells.
wake up before its to late
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I don't understand a word of this post...are you John Prescot in disguise?
 
makboom said:
i can turn round and say i have evidence that 911 wasnt done by bin lardin i have evidence but why should i show it.
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Of course you do.
& I bet a tin of spam told you this evidence before it turned into Robin Cook & flocked to the hills.
 
Sparse attendances in Christian churches doesn’t make this country non-Christian shakermaker. The reigning monarch is head of the Church of England and the Church of England is a Christian religion – ergo the UK is a Christian country.

Whether the majority of smoothies take your view is also irrelevant. I had better explain ‘smoothies’. If you see we golden oldies or silver surfers as wrinklies I see you youngsters as smoothies. I would just remind you that with a bit of luck you too will develop into a wrinkly although by then you could well be attending a Muslim mosque.

I would also remind you that it were us wrinklies who welcomed the immigrants and made them feel at home from as far back as fifty years ago. You have been brought up by us wrinklies to accept them.

I will repeat again that it is the DUTY of every Muslim to promote Islam all over the world until that is the only faith in evidence. The only way that that can be done is to take control of every country. You can take control of a country in one of two ways – by force or by stealth. The UK is being taken over by stealth and we are bending over backwards to assist. And that is the big problem shakermaker.

Just a thought! I wonder if it is still the case that when a couple get married in a Catholic church the marriage is not recognised by the state UNLESS there is a state registrar present at the ceremony? Does that apply to a Muslim wedding?
 
Twenty years from now this whole issue could make the Northern Ireland spat look like a stroll in the park. If they did have an enclave in the same sence that there is/was in N.I then how long would it last before there is a little civil war between the Muslims and the Christians? Sharia Law may or may not be wanted but somewere down the line it will appear in some form in English Law. I have the advantage (if it is) of looking from the outside in being up here but also having been brought up in Accy know what the situation is. There has to be comprimise or the whole of the UK will suffer to the detriment of both sides.
 
Spuggie.....compromise works both ways.......Muslims live and work in our communities and they have the freedom to celebrate their religion and their religious days......I object to being told that we should call Christmas 'Winterfest' or some such other ludicrous name.......and that local children cannot have a nativity play when they celebrate Diwali and other ethnic cultural festivals. It is time that we spoke up and let our views be known. People have become so scared of being labelled as rascist for speaking of the things that many people think, but few are prepared to say.

I get incensed when schemes aimed at 'sweetening' the ethnic population are promoted over the indigent people...like free driving lessons for young asian men in Blackburn....the young asian men are the ones hooning around in fast cars with no regard for human life......so hey lets give them free driving lessons. While other young men work hard, keep their noses clean and get B*gg*r all.
 
It may already be too late. In these "sensitive" PC times, there is no requirement to assimilate. The Muslim birthrate is much higher so, demographically speaking, you are going to be outnumbered and then some within the next 30 years. One can only hope that there will be enough modern, moderate Muslims in the mix to keep things balanced.
 
Although brought up as a Christian I am now an atheist. However the whole fabric of Britain today is base on Christian principles, and it's infrastructure is founded on the principles of that religion, and has been so for well over a thousand years.

If this doesn't fit in with peoples beliefs they are free to leave and find a country that has the society in which they want to live their lives.

Britain has welcomed peoples from around the globe for centuries. Each wave of immigrants has added to and blended in with the British way of life. Muslims will have to do the same, unless they are hoping for another Bosnia. The general public will not accept or pander to a vocal but significant minority in this country anymore, and the sooner mainstream political parties realise this the better for all.
 
Margaret I would line up all the s@@@ stirring PC brigade up and find a slow painful way to make them change their ways. While these idiots are around there will allways be disparity and the tendency to soft soap the minority and yes it should work both ways. I am in a minority up here and I aint got some PC gang molly coddling me and getting me everything I want or demand. Because of the way things are set up people take advantage and become so reliant on it any threat or action to remove causes a huge cowpatsfest.
 
Makboom seems a little clueless. This is not about "putting" democracy in the Middle East. It's about fighting Islamic terrorism first and foremost. Now, obviously, it would be a good thing if a little democratic governance sprouted here and there in its wake. It would make the world a hell of a lot safer. But it's going to take a long time and it won't be easy. However, I don't see where we have any other choice. Everything else has been tried - especially appeasement. Sometimes I think we are back in the 1930's with almost everyone's head in the sand. Just couldn't bring themselves to deal with the Nazi's. This is no less a fight to the death. Face it now or be forced to later.....when it's going to be really, really nasty.
 
mosques spring up as fast as churches get pulled down
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I don't think you can blame us muslims for the declining numbers of people attending churches.

If you think Islam is such a "bad" or "evil" religion then why is it the worlrd fastest growing religion, with about 1.6 billion muslims around the world. also why do you think most people are converting to Islam than any other religion.

as a muslim i am against any terrorist attack to and from muslims. the meaning of jihad isn't holy war as the media says, it means 'struggle' the are two types of jihad: inner and outer.

inner jihad is the struggle against things such alcohol, sex outside of marriage, eating non halal food etc.

outer jihad is when the religion is under attack. however this doesnt mean you can go and fly planes in building. there are strict rules to follow. eg NO innocent people should, damage to infustructure must be to its minimum, damage to animals, trees or anythingto do with nature must also minimum.
these are just a few points not all.

personally the idea of having some sort of 'holy' bank holidays is not practical because the islamic calendar is a lunar one its to do with the shape of the moon. thats why Eid is never on the same day the following year. its about 10days earlier every year.

i dont have anything against christian or what ever religion you are, Islam teachs not to discriminate people because of their religion. i feel the same way about a jew, christian, hindu etc as i would about a muslim.

people who talk about killing the 'infidels' should not be seen as representing Islam or the rest of the 1.6 bl other muslims.
 
Here here Bullseyebarb and SPUGGIE J. Tealeaf, really appreciate how you've also laid out the facts in this thread. Keep fighting the good fight Accywebbers!

Brian
 
It's not evil or bad it's just not the religion of this country, the religion of this country has been for a long time church of england. There are some Roman catholics, and others jews jehovas witnesses etc but the majority are Church of england. I was bought up by Roman Catholic Parents, they sent there first family to a Roman Catholics School but sent us lads to the Church of England School because it was less hassle, we got less hassle. We sang C of E hyms, said Cof E lords prayer and took C of E religeous education, which I didn't listen to a word of cos most of it's a load of old cobblers designed as part of the laws of that country to keep you in line. Even so, I accepted as rindy says that this country is C of E You can have your own religion and follow it yourself but don't try to force on the whole of a country where it's never been part of that country.
 
As Margaret Pilkington stated we are bending over backwards to accommodate the Muslim community yet find ourselves being trampled on. It is time to call a halt.

No one is blaming Muslims for the decline in Christian church goers kash I was just stating a fact, not apportioning blame. In this country we are FREE to choose if we wish to follow a particular religion. Even so when we choose to follow a religion we don’t have our lives controlled and run by that religion. We are not told to kill animals for food in what we see is a barbaric way.

There may well be 1.6 billion Muslims on this planet but there are close to one billion Catholics and at least a similar number of other Christians.

Islam may well be the fastest growing religion but that is because of the fact that it is the sworn duty of every Muslim to promote Islam. If Islam teaches not to discriminate against other religions, how do you square that with the prime Islamic directive?

Islam is not under attack by anyone kash. We are just defending our RIGHT to follow a religion of our choice if WE WANT TO in our own country and not be overrun.

We also have a ‘floating’ religious festival. Its called Easter and that is accommodated OK.

No doubt that most of the Muslims want a peaceful coexistence with other people but if called upon to take arms up against them they are honour bound to do so and most will.
 
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