“oppositional defiant disorder”

[MargaretR]

“oppositional defiant disorder”

Psychiatrists regularly update their manual of conditions which they can diagnose as mental illness.

The latest update has a sinister addition
“oppositional defiant disorder” or ODD

CONFIRMED: Psychiatric Manual DSM-IV-TR Labels free Thinkers, non conformers as Mentally Ill - USWGO Alternative News
These are the full list of who all will be targeted by this new disorder created by the American Psychiatric Association
1. Free Thinkers – Because they get in the way of the police state and become a obstacle to authority
2. Non conformers – Because they will cause civil disobedience which will make things harder on authorities
3. Oath Keepers – Because they will actively refuse any orders from higher ups to shoot American citizens, confiscate Americans guns when this action conflicts with the 2nd amendment, follow illegal orders aka orders that conflict with the Constitution and the laws legally passed. Oath keepers teach people to be disobedient to any authority that breaks the Constitution.
4. Highly creative artists – Because they are wasting time in the police state society and so they must also work like clockwork to be a good slave in society or risk being thrown in a mental institution.
5. Anyone that questions authority – Because the authority is god and anybody that questions authority must be a troublemaker that wishes to destabilize a society and commit acts of terrorism.

.....If you are a dissident you risk being diagnosed as mentally ill and certified and incarcerated in a mental hospital. That is similar to what the Stalinist regime did with their political dissidents.

This is clear evidence that Orwell's 1984 is starting to happen in USA - maybe here next.

 

[Tealeaf]

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You've missed out # 6:

6. Conspiracy Theorists - those that believe the world is controlled by an unholy concoption of aliens, freemasons, illuminati, the military-industrial complex, lizards, jews and non-vegetarians. To be treated with upmost caution and preferably locked up for good. Especially those from Accy, UK

 

[jaysay]

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You've missed out # 6:

6. Conspiracy Theorists - those that believe the world is controlled by an unholy concoption of aliens, freemasons, illuminati, the military-industrial complex, lizards, jews and non-vegetarians. To be treated with upmost caution and preferably locked up for good. Especially those from Accy, UK

Well I don't think you should be locked up Tealeaf

 

[Gordon Booth]

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Well I don't think you should be locked up Tealeaf

And MargaretR?

 

[jaysay]

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And MargaretR?

I'm glad you said that Gordon, I daren't

 

[Gordon Booth]

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No no Jaysay, I meant did you agree MargretR SHOULDN'T be locked up, a simple mis-understanding. Although she does appear to be a rather wide rangeing free thinker.

 

[jaysay]

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No no Jaysay, I meant did you agree MargretR SHOULDN'T be locked up, a simple mis-understanding. Although she does appear to be a rather wide rangeing free thinker.

Thats our Margaret Gordon

 

[Gordon Booth]

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I've always been a coward, 'he who runs away lives' etc. Although reading the article, I fear MargartR might qualify!

 

[MargaretR]

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she does appear to be a rather wide rangeing free thinker.

Thank you for that wonderful compliment

 

[Gordon Booth]

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Thank you for that wonderful compliment

It's a pleasure, MargaretR, you bring a breath of fresh air(sometimes quite heady) into this boring world.

 

[Hiddlebit]

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ODD is not about "free thinkers" but generally diagnosed in children who are defiant over even the smallest demand - like "tidy your room" or "brush your teeth" - but to an extreme level.

It has little to do with free thinkers and a lot more to do with a lack of acceptance that the rules apply to them too. Quite a lot of kids with autism have been diagnosed with ODD...which is a really bad choice of name/acronym. I can think of lots of "odd" people without them having ODD...

 

[forceten]

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I'm glad that you all think that this is a joke.

My Son has ADHD, was diagnosed late in life and has CD (conduct disorder) as well as ODD (Oppisitional and defiant disorder) which are co mobids of ADHD.

Until you have lived with a child or an adult with this, who are you to comment or make judgement?

 

[Ken Moss]

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I'm glad that you all think that this is a joke.

My Son has ADHD, was diagnosed late in life and has CD (conduct disorder) as well as ODD (Oppisitional and defiant disorder) which are co mobids of ADHD.

Until you have lived with a child or an adult with this, who are you to comment or make judgement?

I'm afraid my take on things won't go down very well with you either.

Although, as with most things, there are genuine cases it seems that many of these buzz acronyms are applied to children a little too freely these days. Chemical solutions such as Ritalin are favoured over a more behavioural approach such as good old-fashioned discipline.

ADHD was not around in the 1980s and the threat of George the Slipper being wielded across your bare backside was quite enough to keep us all in check without the need for any expensive psychoanalysis or drugs.

Two years ago a local boy was caught vandalising my house and we took part in something called Restorative Justice which basically involved everyone sitting in a room with the police thrashing it out. This little boy came from a broken home and was diagnosed with ADHD, filled to the brim each week with some wonder drug which wasn't working, and after talking to him it came out that what he really enjoyed doing was jigsaws. JIGSAWS. His family seemed shocked at the revelation so I dug out some of my old ones and gave them to him. Since then he has never caused any problems in the neighbourhood and I have been given respect by him simply by listening to him for two hours, something the family could have done in his 11 years on this Earth.

Science moves on and accurate diagnosis is a better way forward but when it is overused it simply becomes a crutch for the parents to absolve themselves of responsibility.

 

[Gordon Booth]

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I'm glad that you all think that this is a joke.

?

forceten,
This thread is about what MargaretR has found on one of her many weird and wonderfull expeditions into the alternative universe.
If you read her definition(in blue) it says that this is a NEW disorder created by the APA to target 'freethinkers, nonconformers, oath keepers, creative artists who should be working and be good slaves to the state and troublemakers who wish to destabilize society and commit acts of terrorism.
Nowhere does it refer to the very sad conditions your son suffers from and the posts are about MargaretR's further proof of a wordwide conspiracy.
I must admit I had never heard of ODD until MargaretR gave us the definition of her 'NEW DISORDER' although I have of course heard of ADHD.
I am sure the other posters didn't know ODD was already the definition of a real condition either and I am certain none of us intended to give offence or make jokes about it. I am sorry you took offence but perhaps you misread MargaretR's thread and our responding posts.

 

[Less]

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I'm glad that you all think that this is a joke.

My Son has ADHD, was diagnosed late in life and has CD (conduct disorder) as well as ODD (Oppisitional and defiant disorder) which are co mobids of ADHD.

Until you have lived with a child or an adult with this, who are you to comment or make judgement?

You'd like my thoughts on it even less, o.k. You have a problem child, we have a problem parent with no sense of humour, do you want to know who?
Go look in a mirror!

 

[flashy]

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I'm afraid my take on things won't go down very well with you either.

Although, as with most things, there are genuine cases it seems that many of these buzz acronyms are applied to children a little too freely these days. Chemical solutions such as Ritalin are favoured over a more behavioural approach such as good old-fashioned discipline.

ADHD was not around in the 1980s and the threat of George the Slipper being wielded across your bare backside was quite enough to keep us all in check without the need for any expensive psychoanalysis or drugs.

Two years ago a local boy was caught vandalising my house and we took part in something called Restorative Justice which basically involved everyone sitting in a room with the police thrashing it out. This little boy came from a broken home and was diagnosed with ADHD, filled to the brim each week with some wonder drug which wasn't working, and after talking to him it came out that what he really enjoyed doing was jigsaws. JIGSAWS. His family seemed shocked at the revelation so I dug out some of my old ones and gave them to him. Since then he has never caused any problems in the neighbourhood and I have been given respect by him simply by listening to him for two hours, something the family could have done in his 11 years on this Earth.

Science moves on and accurate diagnosis is a better way forward but when it is overused it simply becomes a crutch for the parents to absolve themselves of responsibility.

totally agree with what you've said Mossy, a lot of parents get their kids to put it on so they can claim more benefits, seen it done....some even say their kids have it as an excuse for their behaviour, fair enough some MIGHT have it but its funny how people my age didn't have it when we where kids, suddenly someone hears it from some American and it's aparently rife over here

 

[Gordon Booth]

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I must admit, having looked up ODD,ADHD and CD I am a little puzzled. A lot of the web sites are American, my first concern. Also I dont remember ANY child at my schools showing these symtoms-being naughty or disruptive yes, but not for long-the teachers were in charge,with the parents at home the same.Nor did the next generation seem affected.
Also if these problems are genuine and hard to cure, why don't we have teenagers and young adults throwing themselves on the floor and screaming in the supermarkets and streets or running riot? Perhaps by then they realize how silly they would look.And yet too many children do it.We do have teenagers and young adults misbehaving but most of them seem to know exactly what they're doing and why they're doing it.
In the USA the drug companies are making hundreds of millions selling these drugs- of course they work, any child drugged up to the eyebrows will quieten down.
I have my doubts! And not only in MargaretRs offering.

 

[jaysay]

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I'm afraid my take on things won't go down very well with you either.

Although, as with most things, there are genuine cases it seems that many of these buzz acronyms are applied to children a little too freely these days. Chemical solutions such as Ritalin are favoured over a more behavioural approach such as good old-fashioned discipline.

ADHD was not around in the 1980s and the threat of George the Slipper being wielded across your bare backside was quite enough to keep us all in check without the need for any expensive psychoanalysis or drugs.

Two years ago a local boy was caught vandalising my house and we took part in something called Restorative Justice which basically involved everyone sitting in a room with the police thrashing it out. This little boy came from a broken home and was diagnosed with ADHD, filled to the brim each week with some wonder drug which wasn't working, and after talking to him it came out that what he really enjoyed doing was jigsaws. JIGSAWS. His family seemed shocked at the revelation so I dug out some of my old ones and gave them to him. Since then he has never caused any problems in the neighbourhood and I have been given respect by him simply by listening to him for two hours, something the family could have done in his 11 years on this Earth.

Science moves on and accurate diagnosis is a better way forward but when it is overused it simply becomes a crutch for the parents to absolve themselves of responsibility.

I can see where your coming from Ken, the thing is the use of drugs is far to common these days. When I was young you never heard of kids who were driving their parents round the twist, because parents didn't allow it to happen, these days if you shout a kid some do gooding busy body will be reporting you for bring cruel, oh or the old days

 

[heth]

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Agree with comments above(John,Ken,Flashy etc). We had a happy childhood were my parents used to play games with us and take us on days out, yes to tire us out mostly!!! Kids dont seem to get that inter-action these days with parents so kids being kids they are bound to kick off when they want a bit of attention, not to be drugged up so the parents get a quieter life. Just my opinion..............

 

[Less]

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Kids dont seem to get that inter-action these days with parents

With decent parents the kids still get plenty of interaction, just like you plenty of kids today are being brought up by decent parents, unfortunately just as happened in the past some parents should never have been parents, not the child's fault that they don't know how to behave.