Oswaldtwistle War Memorial
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I'm working with a couple of artists and all the local schools this week to create banner artwork for the procession.
The procession starts at Brookside Street at 11.10am and walks along Union Rd to the war memorial by 11.30 for the rededication service.
The workers were there all over the weekend, both Sat and Sun, to get the sign/names up.
The procession starts at Brookside Street at 11.10am and walks along Union Rd to the war memorial by 11.30 for the rededication service.
The workers were there all over the weekend, both Sat and Sun, to get the sign/names up.
I've seen it. I thought that the names were going on the war memorial but they're on a separate thing just behind it, aren't they? I wonder why this was.
Not been to see it, but if they used the list compiled in 1922, which had many inaccuracies, and their additions which were availabe to download a few weeks ago 390 names, which included two men who survived, then its still wrong. I they want to keep all the 1922 list and their findings, then they are still 20 odd names short of the number I found.
If the plaques are made of bronze as in the Observer article, some body will have them for scrap before long.
Retlaw
I was appalled by the Accrington Observer this morning - they hadn't put anything about the parade in this morning's issue. I know that a photographer was there because I saw him!
They haven't covered any of the Armed Forces parades/events and there were at least three in Hyndburn that I knew about!
Very sloppy reporting if they can't even be bothered to include such big events.
They haven't covered any of the Armed Forces parades/events and there were at least three in Hyndburn that I knew about!
Very sloppy reporting if they can't even be bothered to include such big events.
That's why I wondered if you'd been to see it to see how accurate it was. The first thing I did was look for the name Drummond to see if it said Drummond or Drunnond and it was spelt correctly, so they've obviously done some work on the list since.
I suppose if the Observer was a truly local paper, it would have had full reports, but now it is part of a large printing conglomerate I don't suppose we should be surprised.
Just been up today.
Its just as I expected, there are now 397 names, the first list had 390 names.
Checked the first column there are 46 names per column.
From Ablett J. to Buckley J., the are eleven names without the 2nd initial.
George Booth the man who survived is still on.
Ada Broughton who never lived in Ossy is still on
Then on the 2nd column is Campbel H. Another error, His name was Henry Campbell WHITTAKER.
This is what you get when amateurs play at research, believing they know all.
It took many years for me to aquire the knowledge and information I now have.
If my list had been on the shelf in Accrington Library with Bill Turners name on it, it would have been accepted without question.
I could go on, but I might say something I should'nt
Retlaw.
Further to the errors on the Oswaldtwistle Memorial.
Campbell H. is also on the list under his correct name as H. WHITTAKER. So he's on twice.
BUT to cap it all thev'e missed William LOWTHER, an Accrington Pal, killed in action July 1st 1916, during the battle of the Somme. He is on Knuzdens Memorial, and before anyone starts, the others on Knuzden's Memorial that are included on the New Ossy one.
Retlaw.
Campbell H. is also on the list under his correct name as H. WHITTAKER. So he's on twice.
BUT to cap it all thev'e missed William LOWTHER, an Accrington Pal, killed in action July 1st 1916, during the battle of the Somme. He is on Knuzdens Memorial, and before anyone starts, the others on Knuzden's Memorial that are included on the New Ossy one.
Retlaw.
Ya but we got a hell of a write up on a pub in Helmshore Margaret, no doubt we'll get one about a pub in Marple next week
Looking at the Observer this week, yes, do think they could have made room for an article on this event. Seems to me has been a commercial decision.
Not sure how they lay out the paper for printing, but looks like they print 2 on across making four pages in all. They appear to do in multiples of 4, however, could be incorrect re. this, but sure you understand what I am trying to say.
They could have done a page on this, but would mean finding enough adverts/news stories for the other 3.
Ok, we have lots of photographs for the Baby competition and the Proms from two schools. Not objecting to these at all, but an editor thinking of commercial value, would sell more papers (and more photographs) for these articles rather than a dedication to a refurbished war memorial. Sad.
To be fair, they have done a full page on the inquest of Pte Jason Rawstron from Clayton killed in Afghanistan, and a half page on the Pals 1st July commemoration.
Passed yesterday, and there must have been around 20 Rhyddings school children clambering all over it. Not saying they were doing any harm, and is very tempting to sit there and gather. At least some were reading the wreaths and plaque.
Not sure how they lay out the paper for printing, but looks like they print 2 on across making four pages in all. They appear to do in multiples of 4, however, could be incorrect re. this, but sure you understand what I am trying to say.
They could have done a page on this, but would mean finding enough adverts/news stories for the other 3.
Ok, we have lots of photographs for the Baby competition and the Proms from two schools. Not objecting to these at all, but an editor thinking of commercial value, would sell more papers (and more photographs) for these articles rather than a dedication to a refurbished war memorial. Sad.
To be fair, they have done a full page on the inquest of Pte Jason Rawstron from Clayton killed in Afghanistan, and a half page on the Pals 1st July commemoration.
Passed yesterday, and there must have been around 20 Rhyddings school children clambering all over it. Not saying they were doing any harm, and is very tempting to sit there and gather. At least some were reading the wreaths and plaque.
It is slightly frustrating Retlaw, that you knew this in advance of the names being engraved and yet you deliberately chose to not communicate with the council and the people who were organising it.
Now you're doing exactly what I predicted and pointing out how wrong the memorial is and blaming other people for those faults!!
Now you're doing exactly what I predicted and pointing out how wrong the memorial is and blaming other people for those faults!!
Wrong again Gayle. I did contact the council, and got the run around. Could'nt get any where with them, contacted my local councillor and he could'nt get any where either, even the Telegraph got nowhere other than the responce from britcliffe if Mr Homes has a probem he should contact Roy Lockwood. I don't have a problem
Some of the mistakes they already knew about, they are greyed out on the list that was available online, but they've been included.
Roy Lockwood knew I already had all the men from Ossy well over two years ago. PLus 165 pictures of them.
Why should I go to the trouble of contacting him, I have enough work to do without chasing amateurs, to correct obvious errors, he should have contacted me, he said he would at Bill Turners funeral.
Before you accuse me of any thing, you should get all you facts together. Nobody question Bill Turner's works on the Pals, and the Memorials he did, so why should my work be questioned.
Retlaw.
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I'm not questioning your work - in fact the opposite, on many, many occasions I have called you the expert in this subject.
If you contacted the council and got the run around then that's a shame because I knew that we'd get to this point. There's about 300 names on that memorial and as far as I'm concerned every single one of them could be wrong - I personally have no way of knowing which ones are right and which ones are wrong.
Yes, I could go and check in the library etc but like you pointed out - you've been doing this for 26 years, I'm more likely to make a mistake or not get anywhere if I started checking.
I honestly don't know what the answer is to this now!
If you contacted the council and got the run around then that's a shame because I knew that we'd get to this point. There's about 300 names on that memorial and as far as I'm concerned every single one of them could be wrong - I personally have no way of knowing which ones are right and which ones are wrong.
Yes, I could go and check in the library etc but like you pointed out - you've been doing this for 26 years, I'm more likely to make a mistake or not get anywhere if I started checking.
I honestly don't know what the answer is to this now!
It is probably too late now.
Sounds to me like several people have been rather stubborn and put personal differences before the honour of the men concerned.
Here is proof of one of their mistakes, neither they or the tripe dreser could find him in the Commonwealth War Graves, so they pick one that has no family information which they think can't be contested.
George Booth survived 10 months in hospital and went back to the front and was discharged from the army in 1919, his address on discharge 10 Mason St. Check, Check and Check again. Thats what I do, thats why it takes me a long time, I hate mistakes.
Why did'nt you go round to Roy Lockwood and tell him, before the list was sent for engraving.
Retlaw.
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