Panopticons

PurpleLass said:
Well, if I'm being childish all I can say is 'you started it' nah nah nah nah nah.

I'm obviously not the only one who thinks their view is right and whatever anyone else says is wrong - we seem to be alike in that respect.
if they wanted the people of accy to attend they knew where to find us ..

there are lots of people registered here and hundreds of guests visit here each day ( unregistered users)

i have no doubt they know about accy web and if they actualy gave a sh1t about accy peoples opinions they would have told us about the meeting here themselves for FREE as well as a tiny advert or a sentence in a news paper

they simply want to go ahead with their ideas regardless of whatthe people who get stuck with their thought up crap think so that the can move onto their next waste of money

and since it appears we are all in a slanging match i proppose that we do have mounds on the coppice...

mounds of earth covering up the bodies of those who thought they could take the pi$$ out of accrington

bah i thought cats were bad for crapping all over our town but at least they dont use bricks and motar to do it

http://pack-square.business-php.com/?l1=LEAVE&l2=++OUR&l3=COPPICE&l4=+ALONE
 
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PurpleLass said:
I shouldn't have to explain myself but I will. The chain of events was as follows. I was fairly sure I liked the scheme but didn't know enough about it so went to the meeting. Now convince it's a good thing for the town. Certainly not a bad thing. Came home and over the weekend did some more research. Found this site through the search engine and read through reams and reams to stuff and threads about it. Decided to join in because I thought it might help if you had a view from someone who was into the idea. Just opens up the debate a bit.
That's fair enough, you are looking for a debate, so what will it do for our town, is it going to bring extra jobs to the area.
 
garinda said:
A granite erection of Peter looking down on all his Kingdom, now that would be good for putting us on the tourist trail.
Hey I thought we were reserving that for the ex bronze tea cup area, alongside the co-op in ossy, you've gone and spoilt the surprise now ;)
 
WillowTheWhisp said:
The area between the two sets of railings was where the water used to be. It's semi-circular and was on three levels. The water was supposed to cascade from one level to the next but rarely did. There were also several water jets but they either went up too high and splashed right over, or hardly went up at all so were barely visible, or more often than not simply didn't work.
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I bet we have the best, the one and only fountain plant pot in lancashire
 
PurpleLass said:
Well, if I'm being childish all I can say is 'you started it' nah nah nah nah nah.

I'm obviously not the only one who thinks their view is right and whatever anyone else says is wrong - we seem to be alike in that respect.
Gayle Knight could you please log off and go back to your desk and leave us alone, and to think I used to like the column you wrote in the Observer.
 
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Just a note, in passing. The Ashton Frost Steam Engine, the wheel from which was mentioned earlier and which used to reside in pieces behind the Stables at Haworth Art Gallery, has gone! Whether it has been sold or carted off for scrap I do not know. But I rather think that the people of Church, to whom it was given, need to ask questions.
 
Yup, I went to the meeting and they did a good job in talking up the project... even I could see the reasoning behind it but.....
1. The final design has`nt been decided on so how can we decide if we want it or not, or how it will visually affect the landscape
2. The council gets lumbered with the maintenance costs which it can ill afford as anyone who has been through Milnshaw Park will know
3. Extra funding for upgrading paths and carparks may be avalible. This is based on inward investment being attracted to Top o Slates. This however is a former industrial site which gets regeneration grants. The Coppice as a park/moorland will not
Most of the people speaking at the meeting had a vested interest, the girl from the New Era, Paul from the council and Gayle Knights mum. Oh and I don`t think Purplelass is Gayle, her birthdays in october.
 
Acrylic-bob said:
Just a note, in passing. The Ashton Frost Steam Engine, the wheel from which was mentioned earlier and which used to reside in pieces behind the Stables at Haworth Art Gallery, has gone! Whether it has been sold or carted off for scrap I do not know. But I rather think that the people of Church, to whom it was given, need to ask questions.
We spotted its absence some time last summer. Busman made a post about it at the time. I agree A-b an explanation of what became of it is long overdue.
 
Well PurpleLass you certainly made a good first thread on your first day here!

l hope you're not here to sway us just because you had to resign your column in The Observer? This has been much more vitriolic and entertaining.
 
I could not attend the meeting due to having a proper job and having to work. I find it mildly amusing that anyone could dare to guarantee a piece of so-called artwork for up to 500 years. This is not a Renoir hanging in a gallery being protected and lovingly restored. This is a piece of urban junk despoiling a naturally beautiful area exposed to the elements and vandals. The quangos claiming that this will last have obviously been kissing each others backsides for too long. It's time they looked up and smelt the spray paint..:D
 
garinda said:
Well PurpleLass you certainly made a good first thread on your first day here!

l hope you're not here to sway us just because you had to resign your column in The Observer? This has been much more vitriolic and entertaining.
I aim to please. I like how you all put two and two together and get fifteen. I must be Gayle Knight because I'm the only person in town who approves of the scheme - sorry to disappoint, there's a few of us out here.
 
PurpleLass said:
I like how you all put two and two together and get fifteen.
Please don't assume that posts by a couple of AccyWeb members are speaking on behalf of all of us. We may share the opinion that we do not want a panopticon of any shape size of form but that doesn't mean that we share every other opinion, including your identity.
 
stanaccrington said:
When a counciller actually stands up and says look this town has gone down so far we dont need any more hairbrained schemes or pound shops we need a radical overhaul and we need to go out and find investment to make this once proud town prosperous again.

Where have you been? Every time I say it I don't see a flood of support in the Ob. when PB says I am [personally] running the town down. Accy is now Britains Poundland capital and the whole town centre is a disgrace. A ghost town. The lunatics have won.

And what has the Town Centre Regeneration Board achieved. Nowt. Tory talking shop.

Accy needs a major overhaul. Millions investing, but not in new or more or excentric. However any ambition is simply gathering dust as Accy's residents once again go the ballot box and vote for this shower of perverbial. We only have ourselves to blame.
 
Uncle Mick said:
Oh and I don`t think Purplelass is Gayle, her birthdays in october.
It's her job and I'm sure that some of the £50,000 will go in bonuses if it gets built so I'm sure they will try anything.
 
So, another whitewash then, Uncle Mick? In answer to cjay and Purplelass; it would seem to stand to reason that the people involved in bringing this project forward would want to convince the people of Accrington of the potential positive benefits accruing to the borough if it were to be implemented. They do this for exactly the same reason that they would not explain the potential pitfalls; which is, namely, that they stand to benefit from the project.

The Architect, Chris Beard, has, to my knowledge, never yet completed a project. You may imagine that his fee from NWRDA will substantially improve his salary as a lecturer. The project will also allow him to enter other competitions, something he seems to do a lot of, and stand a better chance of winning.

Gayle Knight would look a very sorry Marketing Person if she could not market this!

HBC, well, they know nothing about anything and even less about aesthetics. They are strapped for cash with an election in the offing, they will grasp at any straw that is offered to ensure that they are seen as backing the popular decision, whatever that turns out to be.

So at the two meetings you were given the hard sell, wrapped in the charm offensive, and you swallowed it, as you were meant to do. But because you allowed them to blind you with tales of hundreds of thousands of pounds of extra funding and a place on the tourist map, you missed what they did not tell you.

First and foremost is that Accrington is already on the map and has been for quite some time. It's name is known all over the world. How much more famous do you want us to be? The prospect of additional funding is by no means certain, because it is conditional. I strongly suspect that we fall far short of the criteria that would open the coffers for Accrington. The one new aspect of funding is that English Heritage may be prepared to finance the repair of the Peel Memorial. If they were going to do that they would do it irrespective of whether there was a panopticon nearby.

It strikes me that HBC do not know the first thing about raising external funding, which is why so many schemes come to nothing. There is no reason on earth why English Heritage could not have been approached for the money to repair a great many things in the borough - years ago! Likewise the Heritage Memorial Fund, which was set up precisely to finance such repairs.

It cannot be escaped that whatever the final designs for this Panopticon turn out to be, art, it is not. It is landscaping, nothing more, and while the landscape designs of Capability Brown may bring tourists to this country from all over the world, I am reasonably certain that the landscape designs of Chris Beard will attract very few and will be almost instantly forgotten. The landscaping will fall victim to lack of funding and will fall into neglect amd will become an adventure playground for off road bikers. the paths will be churned to mud because horseriders will make a beeline for the area and within five years the place will look much the same as it does now and we will be arguing about another hare-brained scheme to regenerate previous failed regeneration efforts.
 
Graham Jones said:
Accy needs a major overhaul. Millions investing, but not in new or more or excentric. However any ambition is simply gathering dust as Accy's residents once again go the ballot box and vote for this shower of perverbial. We only have ourselves to blame.
You can't let the lunatics win. Accy does need a major overhaul. I've said that myself many times today. I just think that we'd be a bit daft when we're all saying that Accy needs something to turn our noses up at the money the Panopticons can bring in. It's not everything but it's a start.
 
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