Acrylic-bob said:
Panopticons
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Try looking beyond the pound signs. A few hundred thousands to repair a few paths, is not going to kick start anyone's economy, least of all that of a borough that is so deeply in debt as Hyndburn. As Graham say's, the borough needs funding of an entirely different magnitude. And before we get that we need to elect councillors who realise this fact and can go out and fight for it.PurpleLass said:
Acrylic-bob said:
Its crap. Clog dancing, line dancing, town centre binge drinking and crap pubs with boring DJs that repeat manufactured pop pap endlessly. It makes Accy look like hicksville mississippi. The evening economy mirrors the day time economy. Limited intelligence, limited ambition, small minds and ambitous egos.
I have banged on and banged on and banged on about Accys limited appeal with officers up at Scaitcliffe for 18 months. Rix kept going on about regneration like it was just bricks and mortar. I asked time & again what about cultural regeneration and I dont mean east meets west. I got all the contacts to book rock bands up at the civic theater only to be told its booked full with ******** clog dancing and 3rd rate prog rock covers bands!!
In the Labour budget we put monies aside to change things.. but Tories like clog dancing, line dancing, its non threatening and appeals to their own goldfish mind instinct. After all rock fans leave beer cans lying around!!
We will never make Accy great till we break out of our own parochial prison...
The concrete cows are an amusement as the train grinds through Milton Keynes, but they are not what brought prosperity there.
We have whats left of some great heritage, restoring and maintaining that should be a top priority.
If we were going to have any landscape Art of any reknown, we should get Christos to put a curtain from Hambledon to Pendle so we can't see Burnley.
Bound to get a good spread in the colour supplements.
We have whats left of some great heritage, restoring and maintaining that should be a top priority.
If we were going to have any landscape Art of any reknown, we should get Christos to put a curtain from Hambledon to Pendle so we can't see Burnley.
Bound to get a good spread in the colour supplements.
Right, so you're saying we turn down this injection of cash. What happens when another injection of cash comes along, should we turn that down too if it's not big enough. These things add up and they lead to one another. I agree we need the Councillors who can fight for it but I don't think we should turn our noses up just 'cos we don't think it's enough at first.Acrylic-bob said:
I have no argument with new! New is often just as good as old. But new for new's sake is a very bad idea, just as new because you cannot think of anything else is a bad idea. The borough needs innovation and quality, both of which the panopticon does not provide. Would you allow someone who has never painted a house before to paint your house? Would you be happy to allow a doctor who has never operated on a real person before to take out your appendix? But you are asking the people of Accrington to entrust the most prominent feature of the town to a person who has NO TRACK RECORD! How can this be a sensible thing to do? how does this bring innovation and Quality to the Borough?
To echo what garinda has just said, the borough needs bold and courageous decisions, not banality, we have enough of that already.
What the town needs is investment in industry, in jobs, in revitalisation of the town center which will bring in better shops, better shopping enviroment you need a whole new road structure because some some ill imformed planners decided to route traffic away from town,to bring people to Accrington you have to start with the people who live there make it a place people want to live in, not a chav center of excellence where they know the system will support them.
Graham I think you and Stanaccrington are the same person he wrote the above on page 3 and when I came and visted last year I was embarassed to show my American wife Accrington, I have never seen so many pound shops and a broken down system that will take years to get right. I spent over 10 years in the middle east and some third world countries would put Accy to shame and then what do they want to spend money on, regeneration,investment in the future,a complete overhaul of the system? no lumps on the coppice, that is so imaginative wow I hope that someone writes to the Sun or the Daily Star and lets them know because they could do a number on this one.
Graham I think you and Stanaccrington are the same person he wrote the above on page 3 and when I came and visted last year I was embarassed to show my American wife Accrington, I have never seen so many pound shops and a broken down system that will take years to get right. I spent over 10 years in the middle east and some third world countries would put Accy to shame and then what do they want to spend money on, regeneration,investment in the future,a complete overhaul of the system? no lumps on the coppice, that is so imaginative wow I hope that someone writes to the Sun or the Daily Star and lets them know because they could do a number on this one.
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Acrylic-bob said:
Bob, I have those HBC debt figures. Our last debt is paid off in 2055. For the mathematicians amongst us there are 33,000 Council Tax Households paying an average £135 per year DISTRICT Council tax.
HBC DEBT EXCLUDING COUNCIL HOUSES
2005 £23,896,000 [+£2m just borrowed for 05/06 =£26m]
2004 £22,261 ,000
2003 £19,294 ,000
2002 £16,590 ,000
2001 £14,853 ,000
2000 £13,010 ,000
1999 £11,785 ,000 [Peter Britcliffe/Conservatives take over the Council]
1998 £11,576 ,000
1997 £11,156 ,000
I could not agree more. But how do we convince the NWRDA that they are decorating a cake that is rotten? Graham is a supporter of the regional park idea, another quango generated scheme which is full of grandiose ideas and fine phrases, but as we have seen with the fast dissapearing Rapid Transit System, it is meaningless! It swallows millions and millions to conduct feasibility studies which conclude that it's grandiose ideas are just that, grandiose and impractical and too expensive!
Acrylic-bob said:
I am a Panopticon supporter, true. But not the parody, or the spaceship, or the hillocks or any other bullocks! The Regional Park is the only thing I have seen of any worth eminate from that quango ELP and I think the idea has much merit.
I understand Mr Beard has scrapped the hills and it is now something to do with the Accy Pals, the trenches [which I am told were 2nd world war trenches not the pals?] and incorporating the cannons.
BUT - the town centre, jobs, the economy and basic quality of life indices are far more important than this project. This project was all about one mans newspaper headlines and his elections IMHO.
More curious to note, is how quickly BwD became bedfellows with LCC and drove the agenda. A reminder who the big boys in East lancs are, who gets all the funding and who the small fry are.
Remember it`s budget day tomorrow and Gordon Brown is getting rid of 30,000 civil servants in quango type positions. This may include The Panopticon project and it`s partner Land.... we can live in hope!
Just to let you know Margaret, I stole the picture from another thread, I've just come in from a nice night out, so I'm not going looking for the proper contributor but wouldn't it have been nice if way back then they had refused to rip the centre out of the town? We can move on without making things worse, just let the people have their say, then all of a sudden the things we do will be the things we want. (yeah right, maybe I'm to old to believe in fairy godmothers!).Margaret Pilkington said:
the best thing i like about the photo is how clear teh spread eagle is
its barely visable now i have no idea why they ruined it as it was somthing you could point out and say hey dosnt that look like an eagle to your kids etc
who needs the fancy crap when nature had provided us with somthing much better and promminant to look at
one day i may actualy get drunk enough to fell a few trees so it can be once seen again lol
its barely visable now i have no idea why they ruined it as it was somthing you could point out and say hey dosnt that look like an eagle to your kids etc
who needs the fancy crap when nature had provided us with somthing much better and promminant to look at
one day i may actualy get drunk enough to fell a few trees so it can be once seen again lol
For your info. About 40 people were at the Huncoat area meeting last night. I wasn't there myself so perhaps anyone who was could report back. I have heard though that Brendan Shiel asked for a show of hands and over 30 of them voted yes to a Panopticon. Democracy at work?
my mum told me they are stopping the bumps on the coppice now because of the number of complaints they have recieved about them.
she works for the council
Tealeaf said:
Very good, Luke. I think "PurpleLass" works for the Council as well, in some capacity. Maybe your mother knows her? However, your mother knows alot more than Purplelass because everyone like your mother knows that the building on the Coppice is not going to happen. Except for Purplelass,who thinks it is going to happen. Is'nt that a shame!