Pineapple pub?

Bob Dobson said:
I have no reference books to assist me, but have not heard of the Peel's Arms on Birtwistle St. , where there was a Colliers Arms at one time.(certainly 1951) Perhaps name changes occured, though I doubt it, as they were not common in the 19th century. This reinforces my thought that a detailed study is required of Accrington pub names & locations. There was a Peel Arms on Burnley Rd at its junction with Whalley d.
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You know quite well that all the names of old pubs & ale houses has already been done, your just piqued because you don't have a copy of it.
Just do what I did go through all the old newspapers,
journals, council minutes, census returns, etc.
The Peels Arms was in Birtwistle St, the site is now covered by the new housing. Nowt to do with the Peel Arms. The Colliers Arms was at 31 Birtwistle St.
Why you doubt names changes beats me, many name changes have occurred over the past 150 years.

Retlaw.
 
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The info is wrong susie. There was "NO" "Elephant Inn" On Elephant St in 1966 or from 1962 even, cos i was supping underage in the Welcome Inn, from then.Plus from 1964-66 I was living on Birtwistle St, corner of Elephant St at "Black Annies" Lodging House.;) Its n error in the book.
 
susie123 said:
This is getting silly! just found this on a website about closed pubs Elephant Inn, Accrington - another lost pub

The Elephant Inn was situated on Elephant Street. Closed in 1966 due to its location in a redevelopment area.
Source: Max Taylor
Thats what you get when you believe all that appears on the internet.
There were only two pubs in Elephant St, I lived in Hargreaves St in the 1930's which is not very far from where Elephant St was. A member of the Accrington Pals lived on that street next to the ginnal that led thro to Higher Pitt St.
Retlaw
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cashman said:
The info is wrong susie. There was "NO" "Elephant Inn" On Elephant St in 1966 or from 1962 even, cos i was supping underage in the Welcome Inn, from then.Plus from 1964-66 I was living on Birtwistle St, corner of Elephant St at "Black Annies" Lodging House.;) Its n error in the book.
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Retlaw said:
Thats what you get when you believe all that appears on the internet.
There were only two pubs in Elephant St, I lived in Hargreaves St in the 1930's which is not very far from where Elephant St was. A member of the Accrington Pals lived on that street next to the ginnal that led thro to Higher Pitt St.
Retlaw
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Thanks Cashman and Walter, thought it must be wrong, good to have it confirmed by local residents.

By the way Cashy the info was on a website not in a book.
 
When someone is writing a book I would hope that they research well, check facts and edit/proofread thoroughly. A book can stay around for a long time. Websites, being more ephemeral, tend not to receive the same attention to detail, sad to say.
 
Hope they research well n actually doin so are 2 different things susie, as i'm sure retlaw can attest to.;)
 
susie123 said:
When someone is writing a book I would hope that they research well, check facts and edit/proofread thoroughly. A book can stay around for a long time. Websites, being more ephemeral, tend not to receive the same attention to detail, sad to say.
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Trouble is some people just rely on other folks work, add a few embelishmets, then pass it off as there own work.
Retlaw.
 
cashman said:
Hope they research well n actually doin so are 2 different things susie, as i'm sure retlaw can attest to.;)
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That I can Cashy, I also spend a lot of time rechecking that I've got things right, to me if its a thou out its a scrapper. I hate errors & try my best to be as accurate as possible.
Retlaw.
 
Naa then Retlaw. I DO look at old newspapers etc., and I have to question the location of the Pineapple - in an 1898 newspaper article on the "Re-assessment of licensed houses", it states the address was - 31 Birtwhistle Street, so...........who knows for sure?
 
Atarah said:
Naa then Retlaw. I DO look at old newspapers etc., and I have to question the location of the Pineapple - in an 1898 newspaper article on the "Re-assessment of licensed houses", it states the address was - 31 Birtwhistle Street, so...........who knows for sure?
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No bodies questioning that, I know you look at loads of stuff in the library, I also found the Pineapple in Elephant St, the Colliers at 31 Birtwistle St.
The Colliers at 34 Bank St, and the Colliers at Bedlam, so pubs and ale houses did change their names in those days, especially if the landlord lost his licience, and some one else took over.
It's just that some people seem to think all my research should be handed over to them.
I do it because I want too. Just as you do, curiosity.
Some are too bone idle to do their own research, and think every thing should be made available just for them. They get up my nose, especially when they start to question things, just because I won't make it available to them.
Rant over.
Retlaw
 
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Spoken to Pam Waring (Marsden as was) who lived in the shop on the corner of Plantation Street and Elephant Street. She tells me the pub was the "Come and Welcome" and remembers across the street judging by the frontage there may well have been another pub. Methinks this is the missing Pineapple?
She also confirms the Colliers was on Plantation Street.
 
DtheP47 said:
Spoken to Pam Waring (Marsden as was) who lived in the shop on the corner of Plantation Street and Elephant Street. She tells me the pub was the "Come and Welcome" and remembers across the street judging by the frontage there may well have been another pub. Methinks this is the missing Pineapple?
She also confirms the Colliers was on Plantation Street.
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There is no pub missing, I suggest you read some of the previous posts, but just in case you haven't here is the list again.

In the block staring at Adelaide St, to Plantation St, from Abbey St, to Cobham Rd.
There were the 12 places to get plastered.
Swan Inn Abbey St.
Kings Arms Lee St.
Gardeners Arms Chapel St.
Oak Tree Inn Abbey St.
Red Lion Abbey St.
Peels Arms Birtwistle St.
Pine Apple Elephant St.
Prince of Wales Higher Pitt St.
Royal Oak Plantation St.
St Ledger Plantation St.
Weavers Arms Abbey St.
Welcome Inn Elephant St.
Two church's, Wesley & New Jerusalem, more supped than prayed.
That pub never had a sign which read Come & Welcome, when those pubs were selling stagger juice, I lived for over 20 years round the other corner in Hargreaves St.
 
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OK I'll revise my post to read "Methinks this is the Pineapple"
And with just a sprinkle of pedant dust..is it Pine Apple or t'other"

Pam says it was known as the "Come and Welcome" as you say pub names change overtime and there may well have never been a sign specifically to that effect and in the records of course I see it always referred to as the Welcome.
What about the Colliers on Plantation Street missing off the list you so kindly sent me?
 
The Colliers was not on Plantation St mate, twas a Lion House on Birtwistle St, n round the corner on Elephant St was another Lion House The Welcome Inn, both of those were watering holes of mine.;) That would be early 60s. The other pub on Elephant St was gone then.
 
Cheers cashman.
Found this on the www London Gazette.... "Isaac Dixon, formerly of Bank-street, Accrington, in the
county of Lancaster, then of BricUcliffe-row, Whal'eyroad,
Accrington aforesaid, Journeyman Joiner, and late
of the St. Ledger, Plantation-street, Accrington aforesaid,
Licensed Victualler and Journeyman Joiner.


http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/21701/pages/1659/page.pdf

Entry for John Mayes on there also illuminating in respect of posts about the Farriers Arms on Bank Street too.
 
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