Plan for Peace

How are we supposed to have peace when there seems to be handbag fights in the mid atlantic. Out in the world art present is a minority of radicals that are intent on destroying our way of life yet the argument seems to be about colonial indiscretions and war. If it wasnt for the marshal plan and the Americans redistributiion of the wealth they found they had we would be in a mess. Europe would not have been rebuilt nore would we have the trade we do end result we would have proberly have had our butts kicked by the radicals.

It does not matter wether the problems we have today are the outcome of the colonial carry on though they proberly are we need to fix them. If we dont are we going to have to live like they have in Northern Ireland for the last 30 odd years? If we want peace we need to work on it and not give up trying as the more we bicker the more we play into the hands of the radicals. Should we give up on this then it would be like the middle ages again with all the misery that entails.
 
Just a question, if Britain and the United States has such a special relationship, why is it that residents of the UK aren't allowed to enter the green card lottery, yet if you are Irish you can do??


By the way, I love American literature, everything from Truman Capote to Brett Easton Ellis, though the last good American main stream film, was produced in the 60's.:)
 
garinda said:
Just a question, if Britain and the United States has such a special relationship, why is it that residents of the UK aren't allowed to enter the green card lottery, yet if you are Irish you can do??


By the way, I love American literature, everything from Truman Capote to Brett Easton Ellis, though the last good American main stream film, was produced in the 60's.:)
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They reckon over the years the Brits have had their share of green cards, but as there is a large Irish American population with powerful influence in the senate then they will always get first pick.:eek:
 
Not the same Irish Americans that supported the freedom fighters in Ireland?

Namely the IRA.

The same freedom fighters who were committed to a sustained terrorist campaign on the mainland UK, that resulted in the deaths and maiming of innocent men, women and children?

Like nooooo way.
 
garinda said:
Not the same Irish Americans that supported the freedom fighters in Ireland?

Namely the IRA.

The same freedom fighters who were committed to a sustained terrorist campaign on the mainland UK, that resulted in the deaths and maiming of innocent men, women and children?

Like nooooo way.
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Sorry G but unfortunately yes and they all had plenty of money to do it. Makes me wonder what will they do with the cash now the IRA is following peaceful means now?
 
JohnW said:
In France, they do ignore you if you request a coffee in any other language but theirs. So both Americans and Brits are in the same boat there eh?

:) ;)
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Having worked in the USA for two months of the year for a decade I really struggle ordering coffee in America.


"Gee, can you say that again you just sound like the Queen.":eek:
 
Thanks for the welcome John. Like I say, interesting thread. Im currently in a muslim country and am learning that all America preaches isnt always the right way. So I was just playing devils advocate.
Im tempted to play the Kyoto card, but maybe that should be for another day!
 
garinda said:
Just a question, if Britain and the United States has such a special relationship, why is it that residents of the UK aren't allowed to enter the green card lottery, yet if you are Irish you can do??
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I asked this question of the immigration people when I was going through my application for a green card. The answer was that there is already a large British population here. I know that to be true although, I didn't consider it was a fully satisfactory answer to my question as I also know there is a large Irish population here.

I do believe that America and Britain have a special relationship and I also believe that, contrary to popular opinion in Britain, the American people cherish that relationship. The average American would be mortified to hear the amount of critisism that is directed at them from the people who, they believe, are their greatest and most loyal allies. I know that American foreign policy can often leave a lot to be desired, however, so can the foreign policies of most of the powerful countries of the world. People here are very split over the Iraq war but I often wonder how much of the critisism we hear internally is just political posturing. I really do not believe you can judge a people by their government. I myself stand a little right of the centre line, but some of my ideals cross over the line and lean a little to the left. The Democratic party make a lot of noise about what is happening but I wonder how different it would be if they were in power. It never ceases to amaze me that they go on about human rights and the killing of innocent Iraqis, at the same time condoning abortion. Please don't get me wrong, I think there are circumstances where abortion is a reasonable option. I also believe, that in the fight for democracy, innocent people will die and there are certainly innocent Iraqis dying because they wish to visit the polling booth. Of course, we all know it is not that simple and the different tribes seem to be determined to wipe each other out on good old religious grounds. Let's face it, the world is in one hell of a mess, it certainly isn't all the fault of America and Britain.

It is my considered opinion that Britain and America would do well to foster their special relationship. It has advantages for both sides and I also believe that the average American has far more love in their hearts for the average Brit than do most of our so-called, European partners.

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Europe is jealouse of the relationship John hence there disire to become a federal set up so they can rival the States. At least it works 98% of the time overthere which is more than can be said for the EU who have too many national differnces for it to work.
 
i know first hand that the american people have a special regard for the british,what surprised me was most of the people i came across had never left america cos its so vast i suppose everything and climate is in the continent ! but i think you are mistaken saying (the amount of critisism aimed at them) john- remember like owt in life, union meetings is one example! the active members and also the bigots always turn up- but the majority of genuine fair minded people can't be bothered to appear ! its a sad indictment of society but thats the way it is.
 
An unfortunate and damning enditement of the world today cashy and it wont change in a hurry either which is very sad.

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I agree with a lot of the things you say John. I know that a lot of Americans treasure the relationship with the Brits and it is something that we should all hold on to.
I still think critisism, when its due, is a healthy thing. Colonialism was a terrible thing, as was Japans and Germany's past. But all has been put right and all those countries are now the ones saying enough is enough. America is thought of as narrow minded, and although I am sure you are right that we shouldn't tar all Americans with the Bush brush, they must not think that the rest of the world is wrong and they are right.
I like your web site. I find peoples background amazing sometimes.
 
Further to an earlier mail, it is indeed true that not many Americans travel abroad. The ones that do are lovely people. I was entertaining a guy from California not long ago, and over a meal he told me he had travelled extensively over the last 4 years. I asked where he had been and he just listed about 10 US states! He really thought he had seen the world. Lovely guy, but completely ignorant of the world at large.
 
JohnW said:
I asked this question of the immigration people when I was going through my application for a green card. The answer was that there is already a large British population here. I know that to be true although, I didn't consider it was a fully satisfactory answer to my question as I also know there is a large Irish population here.

John I also asked the question while going through the naturalization process and the guy told me that it is based on numbers and the US is proud to be country of immigrants. However, far more people are coming to the USA from certain countries than from others. Just those immigrating from Mexico, China and the Philippines are by far outnumbering those from most of the other countries accumulated. In order to maintain a diversity in the population, US laws regulate immigration from particular regions of the world. For this reason the USA do annually distribute 55,000 GreenCards randomly since 1994. The only prerequisite apart from the eligible native country is a certain level of education. You can find detailed information under „conditions for participation“ here. .
Excluded are only those countries with a rate of immigrants to the USA far above average over the last five years. But it is possible that these excluded countries can participate again in coming years.
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Georgie Saint said:
I agree with a lot of the things you say John. I know that a lot of Americans treasure the relationship with the Brits and it is something that we should all hold on to.
I still think critisism, when its due, is a healthy thing. Colonialism was a terrible thing, as was Japans and Germany's past. But all has been put right and all those countries are now the ones saying enough is enough. America is thought of as narrow minded, and although I am sure you are right that we shouldn't tar all Americans with the Bush brush, they must not think that the rest of the world is wrong and they are right.
I like your web site. I find peoples background amazing sometimes.
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I also agree that constructive critisism is a good thing. I just feel that America comes in for an inordinate amount of it. We all have our opinions and we all generally think that opinion is right, even though we do consider other peoples views.

As you have probably gathered, I have a great love of both, my country of origin and my adopted country. I don't really like too much critisism going either way and I am inclined to get a little defensive. Because I have a foot in both camps, so to speak, it is of special interest to me that the relationship flourishes. I know that Americans have a name for being loud and brash and maybe sometimes they are. But, I have found them to be a most generous and sincere people since living amongst them and consider that they are sometimes misunderstood and unfairly condemned.

I'm glad you enjoyed the web site. It is designed and maintained by my eldest son who lives in Hesketh Bank. He is about to start another one for the band I am now rehearsing with here in America. I will let you know the site address when it gets underway if you are interested
 
America- it's just like that 70's advert for coke with the sound track of 'I'd like to teach the world to sing.'


Good luck. If you can't get a green card just run the border fron Mexico to L.A.
 
Most of my customers were American, ableit rich ones, who travelled widely between their many homes, and who were very nice people. However most Americans would be hard pressed to point to the UK on a world map, Hardly conclusive to the idea of any special relationship. Lets not forget that the city in the world with the largest black population isn't in Africa, it's New York, they're hardly going to have any strong ties to Britain.
 
garinda said:
Most Americans would be hard pressed to point to the UK on a world map.
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Can you point us in the direction of the study that provided you with this world shattering information please?
 
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