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There are convincing arguments from both sides of the legalising cannabis fence.
Medical use has been promoted for a number of years for conditions such as MS.
I have very limited experience of its medical use so would prefer to comment on the aspect I do have experience of which is social use.

The experts against legalising/non criminalising it tell us that it is addictive, causes paranoia, leads to the use of more powerful substances and turns people into social degenerates.
Smoked in small quantities, cannabis can be enjoyed as a recreational drug and the user suffers no after effects at all. It isn't addictive and does not automatically make the user want to try something stronger. It invokes a state of mild contentment and a feeling of extreme well being. In that respect, it is just the same as alcohol which when taken responsibly, creates a very pleasant atmosphere and causes the user no after effects at all, except in the case of alcohol a hangover the following day.

On the other hand, over use of cannabis does cause mental anxiety and can trigger some very serious mental problems. Smoked in large quantities, it is a very dangerous substance indeed.

Most cannabis smokers and alcohol drinkers take their chosen substance in controlled quantities and having enjoyed the effects, return back to their normal mental state and carry on with their lives.

Heavy smokers and heavy drinkers on the other hand, just don't know when to stop. Binge drinkers will quite happily drink themselves into oblivion and try the fight with the rest of the world on the way to the kebab shop after a session.
Heavy smokers will exceed the feeling of contentment and enter a state of near unconciousness. In the same way that excessive alcohol can damage vital organs of the body, cannabis too can damage the body, particularly the brain. Small amounts of cannabis have little, long term, effect on the brain but increased use can severely affect short term memory and induce paranoia.
The Government seem to have a strange attitude towards what we as the general public are and are not allowed to do. They make laws preventing us from using harmful substances such as cannabis yet allow the purchase of other, far more dangerous things such as Alcohol and Fireworks to be perfectly acceptable.
I respect the wishes of people who do not wish to smoke cannabis in the same way that people can choose not to drink alcohol or eat meat etc. but I do object to not being allowed to make a choice.

Just for the record, I would not even consider taking any of the white powders and mysterious tablets which are available these days, common sense tells me that they could contain anything. I have also seen first hand how such substances can turn coherent human beings into non functioning zombies in an alarmingly short time.
I actually think that you put a valid argument across here, but I think the Governments thinking in this case is not the actually smoking of cannabis, but the fact that doing so leads to addiction of other narcotics such as Crack Cocaine and Heroine. Its widely understood that the vast majority of drug addicts who use hard drugs start on the downward spiral by smoking cannabis
 
I actually think that you put a valid argument across here, but I think the Governments thinking in this case is not the actually smoking of cannabis, but the fact that doing so leads to addiction of other narcotics such as Crack Cocaine and Heroine. Its widely understood that the vast majority of drug addicts who use hard drugs start on the downward spiral by smoking cannabis

You really dont have a clue.

It people like you that give an opinion but do not have the foggiest idea what it REALLY like.

Cannabis leads to addiction to Crack Cocaine & Heroine, dont be so pathetic.

"Its widely understood that the vast majority of drug addicts who use hard drugs start on the downward spiral by smoking cannabis", says Who THE SUN newspaper.

If anything, Class A Drugs, Cocaine, Anphatamine (SP) Ect are mainly used by DRINKERS to help them when they GO OUT, to KEEP UP as they cant as tehy have DRUNK to MUCH ALCHOL.

As for Smack and Crack Cocaine, you find that more likely you use/try it because you assossiate with that group of people, not becaue you had a smoke of cannabis.

Do some checking up on FACTS.
 
Its widely understood that the vast majority of drug addicts who use hard drugs start on the downward spiral by smoking cannabis
Also the vast majority of people who have smoked cannabis never go on to be addicted to hard drugs.

Addictive personalities exist - whether they start by using cannabis or prescription drugs like codeine and valium - addiction is not capable of being controlled by legislation

The reason why cannabis is treated differently from codeine and valium is because the pharmacutical companies are unable to profit from it
(but they are trying:rolleyes:)
 
You really dont have a clue.

It people like you that give an opinion but do not have the foggiest idea what it REALLY like.

Cannabis leads to addiction to Crack Cocaine & Heroine, dont be so pathetic.

"Its widely understood that the vast majority of drug addicts who use hard drugs start on the downward spiral by smoking cannabis", says Who THE SUN newspaper.

If anything, Class A Drugs, Cocaine, Anphatamine (SP) Ect are mainly used by DRINKERS to help them when they GO OUT, to KEEP UP as they cant as tehy have DRUNK to MUCH ALCHOL.

As for Smack and Crack Cocaine, you find that more likely you use/try it because you assossiate with that group of people, not becaue you had a smoke of cannabis.

Do some checking up on FACTS.

i think you have been a bit hard on jaysay there... we are led to believe that canabis leads to hard drugs, i agree with you, i know a lot of people that have used cannabis but not gone onto anything else and i saw more hard drugs when i was working as a bar maid in pubs and nightclubs.
 
You really dont have a clue.

It people like you that give an opinion but do not have the foggiest idea what it REALLY like.

Cannabis leads to addiction to Crack Cocaine & Heroine, dont be so pathetic.

"Its widely understood that the vast majority of drug addicts who use hard drugs start on the downward spiral by smoking cannabis", says Who THE SUN newspaper.

If anything, Class A Drugs, Cocaine, Anphatamine (SP) Ect are mainly used by DRINKERS to help them when they GO OUT, to KEEP UP as they cant as tehy have DRUNK to MUCH ALCHOL.

As for Smack and Crack Cocaine, you find that more likely you use/try it because you assossiate with that group of people, not becaue you had a smoke of cannabis.

Do some checking up on FACTS.
I'm talking from a point of view that I have never found the need to take illegal substances of any kind, if there was no danger in smoking cannabis then it wouldn't be classed as being harmful. I have used alcohol since I was 16 and am now 62 and have never been dependant on that either, I also smoked tobacco too, but gave that up 31 years ago on the 26th Jan 1978. So we will have to differ on substance abuse, if you want to smoke the stuff carry on its you body and your health that's at stake, not mine:)
 
I'm talking from a point of view that I have never found the need to take illegal substances of any kind, if there was no danger in smoking cannabis then it wouldn't be classed as being harmful. I have used alcohol since I was 16 and am now 62 and have never been dependant on that either, I also smoked tobacco too, but gave that up 31 years ago on the 26th Jan 1978. So we will have to differ on substance abuse, if you want to smoke the stuff carry on its you body and your health that's at stake, not mine:)

But you stated.

Its widely understood that the vast majority of drug addicts who use hard drugs start on the downward spiral by smoking cannabis

Thats stating, People who smoke cannabis are already on the downward spiral and WILL use hard drugs. Not True.

but the fact that doing so leads to addiction of other narcotics such as Crack Cocaine and Heroine

How does this work then.
 
jaysay.... i think what mr d is trying to say is that saying that if you smoke cannabis you will start taking hard drugs is like saying that all smokers will start smoking cannabis
does that make sense?
 
jaysay.... i think what mr d is trying to say is that saying that if you smoke cannabis you will start taking hard drugs is like saying that all smokers will start smoking cannabis
does that make sense?

Or drinkers will drink meths/absynth. :D
 
Blimey, the argument from some of the pro-canabis brigade seems quite aggressive.

:D
 
with mrd on this, as one who smoked cannabis from mid 60s to 73 ish pretty regular, i never found the need to graduate to "Hard Drugs" heavy abuse of any substance leads to complications, any fool, except a government fool is aware of that i imagine.i reckon anyone who has used it, (not to extremes) would say there is more pluses than minuses to it.:)
 
with mrd on this, as one who smoked cannabis from mid 60s to 73 ish pretty regular, i never found the need to graduate to "Hard Drugs" heavy abuse of any substance leads to complications, any fool, except a government fool is aware of that i imagine.i reckon anyone who has used it, (not to extremes) would say there is more pluses than minuses to it.:)
Ya cashy but you had will power:D
 
Far more people are addicted to painkillers than cannabis, and their bodies are more damaged by those painkillers
The silent addiction to everyday painkillers | Mail Online

That very strong painkiller that you say you take, Jaysay, will be an 'opium derivative' - which translates to 'having the chemical constituents of opium' but more costly because it is manufactured and sold to the Nhs at an exhorbitant cost by pharmacutical companies.
If you had to pay for those painkillers you may well find that it would work out cheaper to grow poppies :D
 
Of course not every user of canabis is going to go on to harder drugs, just as all those who drink alcohol don't all become alcoholics.

What I do know is that every smack head I've known started off on the wacky-backy. Fact.

Personally I think it should be legalised, because like prostitution, legal or illegal, it isn't going to go away, and with a legal status it's safety could be controlled to some extent...plus the government could raise lots of taxes from all those dope users.:D
 
Of course not every user of canabis is going to go on to harder drugs, just as all those who drink alcohol don't all become alcoholics.

What I do know is that every smack head I've known started off on the wacky-backy. Fact.

Personally I think it should be legalised, because like prostitution, legal or illegal, it isn't going to go away, and with a legal status it's safety could be controlled to some extent...plus the government could raise lots of taxes from all those dope users.:D

Supprising as it sounds I dont want cannabis to be legalised.

I would go for decramanilisation (SP).
In my view rules like this would be better.

You can possess a certain amount on your person in Public.
You can possess a larger amount kept on your premises.
You can cultivate a certain number of plants for Personall use only.
You cannot smoke it in a public area

All the smack heads I know also started of on the drink - Fact.
 
Just to play devil's advocate
All the smack heads I know started on baby milk

There has always been the lame argument that once a person tries cannabis that they will automatically move on to stronger drugs. Many users of the stronger drugs, who I have known personally, did start on cannabis and then moved on to the stronger stuff but they would have gone in that direction anyway. It wasn't the cannabis that turned them into cocaine addicts but their personalities which drove them to find something that was missing from their lives. I am not saying that cannabis is 100% safe because any 'poison' you inflict on your body has to have some effect but there is more danger from the tobacco in a joint than there is from the cannabis. The obvious answer is to leave both well alone but if that doesn't get you, the artificial additives and preservatives in the food we eat probably will. They won't ban them because they are for our own good.
I think there is a greater danger to modern drinkers who quaff these alcopop type drinks and energetically dance in a crowded night club. Dehydration with a high concentration of alcohol in your system is a great problem and can lead to some serious organ damage.
 
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