Poor Gates

I'm with Staveros on this; some of his detail is a little dodgy, but nevertheless his wider view is correct - Stanley, for the foreseeable future, will at best languish somewhere in the middle of the Conference, at worst go out. The most important thing short term issue is to get bums through the gates and hence get cash in the bank.

It is therefore no help whatsoever to label certain fans "fairweather|" or even to raise the question of the loyalty of the populace of Accy to it's team. People pay twelve quid at the gates and in return they want a minimum of twelve quids worth of entertainment (be that in skilful play, an adrenalin boost, seranading by the Ultras, a feeling of common bonding and hopefully a win). The simple fact is that alot of potential and lapsed fans do not feel they would get their money's worth.

Only 1000 people currently feel that is the case, (from an Accy populace of 40,000 or 80,000 in Hyndburn) then thats a problem. In terms of proportionality, it is probably not much lower than other clubs within the conference, but given our most romantic and historical name then it should be far,far higher.

Anyone who comes along with a fresh idea and a little imagination should be encouraged,not discouraged and on this thread I have so far seen little of the former.
 
tealeaf.. all very well accept... he hasnt come up with any fresh ideas that would be used.....
 
Wow! I feel im in the presence of a genius, its like a royalty has visited, Tony grab the camera i feel a Kipax moment coming on!

Staveros, my friend, where have you been all this time, how have we coped without you? Where were you when we were rooted to the bottom of the Unibond facing relegation and the possibility of going bust, again? You could have rode into town and saved the day! Instead we get some geezer from Harwood called Eric Whalley and look what thats got us........

A financially stable club

John Coleman and Jimmy Bell

A couple of promotions

Numerous cups, including Lancs cup twice

Full time football

Shall i stop now? Its nice that your concerned about us, we appreciate it ( well i do), but i think Mr Whalley knows what he's doing. (Although im sure he's locked in his office at the IES busy scribbling notes into his jotter pad from all your posts)

Couple more snippets of info for you my new found toffee man friend (do they still throw the mints to the crowd before ko?)

Rory and McEvily went to a higher league, we couldnt force them to choose Stanley over a league 1 and 2 clubs. Its like Scott Parker choosing Newcastle over Everton.(soz)

You can buy success, bring in a big name, but unless your Chelsea it'll come back to haunt you in the end

Oh and finally, this important tele thing youve mentioned................they have BIG screen in the club house now, the whole wall is alive with moving pictures, its a mavel to behold!:)
 
jonathan timmins

you will see from my earlier post that the 'rola cola' cup is of no interest to staveros.

i dont believe competitions like this should be entered by a professional team with league ambitions, it is a pointless sapping of the players valuable powers.
 
Any minute now there will be a post.. eibo? who are you.. do you go to games?

I love the internet I really really do :)
 
tealeaf, my erudite friend from the south,your presence and support is greatly appreciated.

it is good to see that someone else understands the subtle messages behind staveros' 'ramblings'.

whilst staveros is always looking out for the greater good, the mocking of foolish men(diesel) often makes the retreat into persiflage seem an attractive option.

tealeaf, you are a gentleman and a scholar and the staveros salutes you


staveros: fair to a fault and always willing to put egos aside in the presence of great men
 
satveros.... BE SERIOUS FOR A MOMENT....we have had this over and over again.. you ahvent really brought anything new to the table... season aftre season its the same....


we end up with two main areas


1) get into the schools and get the kids early.. just like burnley and blackburn do

2) accy has a large asian community... why not try and attract them to the game?

those are the only two real avenues we can explore for more fans...... there is NO SHORT TERM ANSWER only long term....
 
KIPAX said:
satveros.... BE SERIOUS FOR A MOMENT....we have had this over and over again.. you ahvent really brought anything new to the table... season aftre season its the same....


we end up with two main areas


1) get into the schools and get the kids early.. just like burnley and blackburn do

2) accy has a large asian community... why not try and attract them to the game?

those are the only two real avenues we can explore for more fans...... there is NO SHORT TERM ANSWER only long term....
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uh hum, serious face..

K-Pax,

I disagree, they are NOT the only ways. The first way is futile, it hasn't worked for Blackburn or Burnley so it DEFINITELY wont work for Stanley.

It is a romantic notion but one that is ultimately doomed to failure.

The second, well, whatever lights your candle, it wouldn't be the route I would take though.

I am ambitious, Stanley aren't in the Unibond anymore, they are just a skip away from league football. They are a pro club again now, lets get serious.

The roof debacle is indicative of everything if you ask me, tin pot small time.

'Lets play it safe'.

Its all very well planning for tomorrow but if you don't deal with today then there may be no tomorrow.

Getting the big name player would work, I am sure of this.

As I have already explained, I am sure such a move would finance itself short term.

Once the fans are there you have your chance to keep them, its fairly simple for me.
 
It has worked for Blackburn and Burnley.. You only have to walk around town to see the shirts.. Kids in Burnley and Blackburn shirts because the clubs visit the schools and hand out free or cheap tickets and merchandise.. once they get them in there hooked... If you dont realise that kids are the future fans of the club then your more short sighted than I will currently give you credit for.

the asian route is somehting thats been talked about many times and suugested many times.. personally I dont see how it will work.. they know the ground is there.. they know football is on a saturday... if they dont want to go then they dont want to go.. cant force anyone.. but it seems to be a populor course of action muted many times

The roof debacle is indicative of everything if you ask me, tin pot small time.
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Sigh... dont play me for a fool man.
 
KIPAX said:
It has worked for Blackburn and Burnley.. You only have to walk around town to see the shirts.. Kids in Burnley and Blackburn shirts because the clubs visit the schools and hand out free or cheap tickets and merchandise.. once they get them in there hooked... If you dont realise that kids are the future fans of the club then your more short sighted than I will currently give you credit for.

the asian route is somehting thats been talked about many times and suugested many times.. personally I dont see how it will work.. they know the ground is there.. they know football is on a saturday... if they dont want to go then they dont want to go.. cant force anyone.. but it seems to be a populor course of action muted many times



Sigh... dont play me for a fool man.
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Im sorry Kipax, you are jus wrong though.

Buying a football shirt isn't having someone 'hooked'.

Blackburns attendances are as poor as they have been in a long while, shocking to be honest.

It hasn't worked and it wont work.

The best trainers that all kids want cost like 70 or 80 quid or whatever, they still get them though dont they??

If you want something bad enough, you find a way.

(apart from them horrible ugly talentless people on the x-factor, they goin nowhere)

Its not about reducing prices its about INCREASING demand.

If you make people want to come on the price, whilst still in reason(as it is), becomes secondary.

The price only becomes an issue when the enjoyment factor isn't there.

Whatever anyone says, the facts back me up. When clubs make big signings the attendances follow.

You can argue with me til the cows come home, the fact will remain that i am right though.
 
Staveros your argument is useless! :D

You say that by signing a big name player this will attract people who once they are in then we can hook them

but you disagree with kipax and many others who believe stanley also need to get kids in then get them hooked with the added insentive that kids will bring their parents with them


So therefore how can kipax be wrong but you be correct?
 
short term.. I am talking long term. you think all those kids that blackburn and burnley got to go to there games will suddenly be a accy fan if we sign an old has been... your not even thinking staright.

i didnt say buying a shirt had them hooked.. it was the bigger picture... things have to be done that effect the long term future of the club.. otherwise it will be a never ending cycle of paying big money to old has beens.. buying new and bigger tellies and the rest of your tinpot ideas

the roof is a good long term thing... me and you both know it will happen.. that will be good for the club long term...
 
garinda said:
Forget the cheerleaders, perhaps we should have a bitch fight at half time!
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ooerr did ya have anyone in mind or will you just take on all comers.....

go on.. ya knew that was coming :)
 
John_Timmins said:
Staveros your argument is useless! :D

You say that by signing a big name player this will attract people who once they are in then we can hook them

but you disagree with kipax and many others who believe stanley also need to get kids in then get them hooked with the added insentive that kids will bring their parents with them


So therefore how can kipax be wrong but you be correct?
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Because....as I clearly pointed out earlier, once they are in they wanna be sein somethin on the pitch.

Gazza throwin a few Cruyffs in the mix(coupled with his name GAZZA) would be just the ticket. Like I said, Andy Payton, he would have been genius at this level.

K-Pax, i think you and i will just have to agree to disagree.

You call my ideas 'tin-pot' but think it is acceptable that it takes, how long has it been?, to put a roof on a stand. A tiny stand at that!!

If thats the speed of progression all round i'll be claiming my pension before Stanley make the league.
 
Staveros said:
He can access my priceless wisdom right here for free William.

For the Harwood Red with his 'lets wait and see' business I feel sorry.

I have to deal with fellow Evertonians who share your negative mentality. I tell them as I Itell you, 'lets not'. lets go out and show some ambition and lets make it happen.

If you don't believe you will never achieve.

If you aim for the moon and miss, you can still catch a star.

The fans have been before, I was there when the gates topped 2500.

I know that was then but it could be again.

Build it and they will come.

Staveros: the eternal light shining bright in the sometimes dark world of football.
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Its not William, its Jase but..... whet you say there fella is just ego-tistical David Brent style mumbo jumbo!

The only suggestions have been flawed, sorry I like the fact that you care but the club will do everything in their power to attract people as they have after we have seen gates go through the roof in the past years (all down to success, not TV's)

I thank you!
 
K-Pax, i think you and i will just have to agree to disagree
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That makes a pleasent change from you announcing I am wrong all the time.. At least I ahve the ability to debate as apposed to you simply stating you are right..

I really am amazed that you cant see the long term future of the club is more important than short term

why go on about the roof when you know its sorted.... ... I did tell you not to play me for the fool.
 
KIPAX said:
ooerr did ya have anyone in mind or will you just take on all comers.....

go on.. ya knew that was coming :)
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No I was going to offer to hold your camera and take the pictures whilst you took on Staveros.;)

Any competition with me in would involve too a heavy a handicap for the rest of you.:)
 
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