Racist Rovers Fan?

WillowTheWhisp

WillowTheWhisp

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I've just watched the footage on the news and to me it didn't look like someone doing a "monkey" but simply an excited gesture which many people do - elbows bent, fist tightly clenched and a sort of "yes!" and rapid up and down movements of the fist/arms. I do it myself if I've finally succeeded in something I've been trying hard to do - and similar situations.

The fan maybe did get angry with Dwight Yorke afterwards for being accused of racism if he wasn't being racist.

I suppose it will all come out in the wash, but what does anyone else think on first seeing? Would you have thought it was a racist act?
 
When watching it I thought it definately was a 'monkey' gesture but now you have said that Willow I'd have to watch it again, closer, to see what your saying.

Could be a possibilty though......
 
If it was a monkey then it needs to be nipped in the bud but if it was an innocent gesture of an excited fan maybe it was just misinterpreted after all the trouble recently in Spain.

Oddly enough when Dwight Yorke was illustrating what he saw it looked more like a move from the birdie dance.
 
Hang on a minute. We are talking about one person, one fan (or possibly two), not the football team or all the fans. Rovers (the team or the club)is not responsible for the actions of the fans and as far as I can gather if this one fan does turn out to have been doing a monkey gesture then he will be punished, which is correct as he is the only one deserving of punishment (if guilty).
 
ye but he is a rovers fan, rovers need to take full responsibility of what thier fans are doing
 
Well two people come up before Blackburn magistrates tomorrow. Let's see what the outcome is. I was rather hoping it would be shown again on TV so I could get a better look, but all it showed was DW's birdie impression.

Sadly there seems to have been more racism in Spain today. :(
 
Fearon1 said:
ye but he is a rovers fan, rovers need to take full responsibility of what thier fans are doing
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I can understand what you are saying but how do you suggest they do it?

It's a serious question.

If the allegations are proved true then I can see that the club could ban them from the ground from now on.

But how can a club take responsibility for the actions of fans?

I'm thinking now in terms of myself as a theatre goer. I will be visiting a theatre in December. If I verbally abuse one of the performers that night would the theatre owners be responsible for my actions?

How can any club prevent the possibility of someone going to see a match and being abusive towards a player from the opposing team?
 
There is no way actions of that nature can be controlled or policed.

The only action that can be taken is if that person is banned from attending a few matches.

The problem seems to be continuing though - wasn't another player jeered the other day when he came on as a sub, or am I thinking of the same game?
 
Just heard on the news earlier this afternoon; one Rovers fan has been given a five year ban from football grounds and a £1,000 fine. The other fan has denied the allegation. Presumably this will be taken to a higher court if further evidence is forthcoming.
 
Maybe the one who denied it is the one I saw who didn't look as if he was doing it.

Perhaps they didn't show the full footage the first time. They certainly didn't the second time. They showed even less.

If any fan really did insult a player with a racist gesture then he deserves the five year ban and £1,000 fine. Perhaps that will deter others.

Of course it doesn't stop the mentality that produces such gestures.
 
REAL MADRID are expected to find out today if they face UEFA action for racism in the Bernabeu.

TV cameras captured swastika and Hitler-tattooed thugs making Nazi salutes during Tuesday’s Champions League 1-1 draw with Bayer Leverkusen.The German club’s Brazilian defenders Roque Junior and Juan were also targeted with vile monkey chants by Real’s ultras. Real last night claimed they were “unaware” of racist incidents. But unused sub Michael Owen admitted he heard it for the second time in a week following the abuse of England’s black players in last Wednesday’s friendly with Spain. Striker Owen, 24, said: “It’s a bit disappointing to hear that. We’ve done really well in England to stamp it out but there are pockets in Europe that can’t.”
UEFA will study reports from the referee and look at video evidence. If found guilty, Real could be fined or forced to play behind closed doors.
UEFA spokesman William Gaillard said: “If there was racist chanting then it will be referred to the UEFA control and disciplinary body.
“The punishment will depend on whether it was the whole stadium or a small group of people. If it was severe, we may consider excluding the club from the competition.”
 
That statement regarding the punishment makes a lot of sense. If it wasn't representative of the club as a whole then only those responsible should be punished but if it was the whole of the stadium then excluding the club from the competition would be justifiable. Perhaps then the fans would realise that their behaviour affects the club which they support.

Back on the subject of the Blackburn Rovers Fan(s) and Dwight Yorke, the local news has shown the full footage and that sheds a completely different light on the issue.

The first gesture which the fan makes is indeed the monkey gesture, followed by the one I described in the first post of this thread. When only the second gesture was originally shown on the news it looked like he had been unfairly accused but there were definitely two distinctly different gestures and the first one was offensive.

Perhaps he realised too late that he shouldn't have done it and changed it to something else, but obviously he can't deny it when the evidence is right there on film. If the other guy was simply with him and didn't do anything himself then that explains why he is still denying the charge.

I don't think the whole club can be held responsible for the actions of one (or even two) of the fans.
 
whilst i do condone the action of these people, i do feel they have been unfairly punished, a 5 year ban isnt too bad but £1000 is a bit over the top.

you would get less for battering someone.
 
Then perhaps the fault lies with the punishment for battering?

I wonder how many fines actually do end up being paid.........I know of someone whose attitude is "I won't pay and they can't make me" and it simply drags on and on.
 
That pair of divvies that got caught up in the emotion of the afternoon got all that they deserved. But does anyone other than me think that Dwight Yorke hasn't exactly helped himself in this situation.

I think that he engineered this confrontation by going and warming up infront of the Blackburn End. He knew full well that he would provoke a reaction from the home supporters due to the animosity they felt towards their former player. If Steve Bruce, his manager, had any foresight he would have told him to go and train in front of the stand where the Birmingham City fans were seated.

The following quote is from the Monday edition of the Daily Telegraph sports pages online,

"Only two Blackburn fans were apparently involved, the vast majority welcoming Yorke's arrival as a substitute with more traditional insults regarding his lack of industry and parentage."

Just for the record, I am not a Rovers fan, and I'm not condoning the fans' actions in any way, but there is no denying that Mr. Yorke was a lazy so & so when he plyed his trade at Ewood park. He knew it and tried to rub it in with the home fans, with an unfortunate outcome for all concerned.
 
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