Respect

We agree then Doug. There have always been bad people, but thankfully they are out numbered by the good, which is still the case.
 
The Police were never intended to perform the role of Nanny. They are there to uphold and enforce the law. That shakermaker, as a young person, can misunderstand their role in society to such an extent speaks volumes about why there is a growing breakdown in social values.
 
Well,an interesting and varied response to my posting.Another aspect I feel that has led to the breakdown is that the youth of today are generally more selfish in their outlook.They see,they want and they take;regardless of consequence.Yes lets have some form of National Service,though I feel that professional servicemen would be loathe to rely on some of todays potential recruits.
 
think you have hit the nail squarely on the head!
i also believe too many tree huggers and do gooders are loose in places of influence!About time government started looking to the homefront to sort things out sooner rather than later.:confused: :mad: markh
 
We are going to have to find a place to start fixing this mess but by the time the govenment of the day has had it inquires, commitee meetings ,policy reviews cost analyzed, feasability studies and drawn up a set of beaurocrats to over see it we will be in a worse state than now. It has to start with no p,ing about and with no excuses or watering down.

Personally I think it should start with the primary schools and resposible parenting classes.
 
Yes as Spuggie says primary schools would be a good start as would responsible parenting classes,but the only way some would attend would be for taxis to be provided and the classes to be held in the pub!
Wait for the next generation to start reproducing,just as things on the welfare front will be going pear shape.
 
Personally I think that by the time the children get to primay school it is too late to start teaching respect.......respect needs teaching in the home from the moment the little ones can crawl.

And to Rindy....with the greatest respect, I wasn't talking a bout a firendly cuff around the earhole......there was nothing remotely friendly in it.
Yes, of course you are right....there have always been BAD people about.....and Myra Hindley and Ian Brady weren't just bad they were Evil....and I think no amount of chastisement would have made much difference to what they got up to......but for the majority of kids.... the local bobby was someone to be looked up to if you were innocent, but someone to be in awe of if you were caught up to no good.
 
Lampman said:
Yes as Spuggie says primary schools would be a good start as would responsible parenting classes,but the only way some would attend would be for taxis to be provided and the classes to be held in the pub!
Wait for the next generation to start reproducing,just as things on the welfare front will be going pear shape.
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That would lead to the biggest riot in history if benifit was stop. Would that force them to go and do an honest days work? As it stands its too easy to get benifits and they dont have any resposibities because of this.
I know this is going to sound vile but to some of these scroungers just see kids as a convinient cash cow. Providing the jolly G rolls in they aint bothered about the kids they become surplas to requirements.
 
Excuse me, is this Tony Blair you are discussing, who is so keen on responsible parenting, the same Tony Blair whose son was arrested for being drunk and disorderly?

Just asking.
 
Well it's do as I say,not do as I do,as far as Tone is concerned .I must admit I was one who he duped with his original fresh outlook.Though that seems a long time ago.
 
pendy said:
Excuse me, is this Tony Blair you are discussing, who is so keen on responsible parenting, the same Tony Blair whose son was arrested for being drunk and disorderly?

Just asking.
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Yes the same little darling who was whisked away from puking up in Leicester Square, to spend his work experience in Paris for LVMH- Moet Hennessy Louis Vuitton, all organised through his father and whose accomodation/security allegedely cost the British tax payer £30,000.
 
Just as a matter of interest. Would the people advocating the return of National Service include girls? It seems to me, that when I was a kid, generally it was boys who were fighting and getting in to most of the trouble. How times have changed. There is, from what I hear from my grandchildren, as many girls as boys fighting and bullying in schools now as well as taking drugs and stealing from shops etc. So, should BOTH sexes be conscripted do their 2 or 3 years National Service?
 
Yes, John......I think I put in my earlier post that I was in favour of both BOYs and GIRLs being conscripted. It would keep them off the streets and give them some discipline....and perhaps teach them a skill.
 
Role reversals is what it's all about, lack of corporal punishment. 'If I do something wrong, dad will get into trouble if he punishes me, so i can do what I like. If he tries to tell me what to do I'll just tell him no, why should I give him respect, he should respect me, and the pigs they should respect me too, I've done nothing wrong.'

They should of course, but they should give respect to each other, the kids should be learning whats right and wrong, and why, and adults should be teaching whats right and wrong and why. We need adults in charge, kids behaving, but mutual respect. The bobby respected you, you respected the bobby, if you did wrong he corrected you, not just because it was wrong, but to help guide you in the right direction for the rest of your life, you took notice of him, cos you knew he didn't just say it to be awkard and nasty but had a reason to.
 
Well said Madhatter. Unfortunately some of the young people today think it's up to the older generation to EARN their respect yet their behaviour (the young) leaves a lot to be desired. Somehow they seem to demand some kind of role reversal where they expect respect from their elders and yet show none themselves. I know every new generation thinks it knows all the answers, I'm sure we did when I was younger but I don't think we had the sort of disregard for adults/parents/teachers/the police and other people in authority as we see today.
 
I would be wholly in favour of a return to National service for both boys and girls born and living in this country regardless of colour, religion and social background. Young girls would probably try to get out of it by becoming pregnant, but I would favour a young mother taking her infant into the forces creche whilst she did her service. Good parenting classes are a joke, many people attend them because social services say they have to. In my opinion they make not one iota of difference. With transient renting communities landlords should have to be more responsible. I'll bet that there would be less rubbish lying around in back yards if the councils made the landlords pay for removal. It may make them think twice about who they are renting their properties out to.:)
 
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