Right winger

Gary Roberts, Bobby Grant and Josh Windass used to "appear to have the freedom to go where they want"...It's tactics, gone or the 4-4-2 days where wingers had to hog their own touchline!

Also, Are you insinuating Sean is ignoring every insctruction given to him by Coley and Jimmy?

Absolute nonsense!
 
baldy said:
Also, Are you insinuating Sean is ignoring every insctruction given to him by Coley and Jimmy?

Absolute nonsense!
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I'm not insinuating anything of the sort & I'm the first to praise him when it's justified.
My opinion is based purely on what I see occur in each game.
The title of this thread is 'Right Winger' and all I'm suggesting is that Sean would be more effectively used down the right wing, providing crosses into the box for Billy Kee.
I want to see him running into space on the wing to give our defence options for a killer pass.
I respect your opinion, but his contribution against Boro last Saturday was insignificant.
That had less to do with his ability (which he has) and more to do with his positional sense, or lack of it.
 
I would like to see Donacien play right wing further up with the new lads we can play a wider game and stretch teams more than we have been doing. It looks promising.
 
Aaron Davies will probably lose his place again although based on his last two performances he doesn't deserve to, thought he played well against both Carlisle & Middlesbrough
 
We have the players, We just can't seem to get the mixture right. we have all said the same about the way we play. Yet nothing seems to change. communication is still a big problem within the team. Every home game I have seen for the last few seasons are the same. Piero, Jon O sullivan, were out on their own and had to go way out of position to get the ball. How often do you see a long wide pass to the wingers. This is down to not having a strong experienced centre midfielder who can hold the ball up or spread the play as needed. we now have the players who have shown they can do this. it is time for a big change in tactics as we have become to easy to neutralise. But I will be there tomorrow to watch us take three points from a struggling Nottingham side, Coley has called it right when he said both teams should be battling at the top of the league. but that is football.
 
'This is down to not having a strong experienced centre midfielder who can hold the ball up or spread the play as needed. we now have the players who have shown they can do this.'

Who do you mean?
 
Can't believe Sean is still debated so much. Outside of the back four he has arguably been our best and most consistent player this season.
 
Chrisr said:
Piero, Jon O sullivan, were out on their own and had to go way out of position to get the ball.
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I suspect a bit of selective memory here, Chrisr, especially relating to Piero. His link play with Brad Halliday on the right wing was excellent. As the season progressed, Halliday had the confidence to overlap more and more and the crosses came from him as well as Piero.

Chrisr said:
How often do you see a long wide pass to the wingers.
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Very rarely. Because our players, like most in League 2, do not have the skills of Jordan Henderson, Cesc Fabregas, Yaya Toure etc. The sort of pass you seem to favour has only a limited chance of success at our level; more often than not we would be giving the ball to the opposition either directly or via a throw-in.

What continues to mystify me is the bunching at one side or the other when a goal kick is being taken. If the keeper takes it from the left side of the goal area, there are usually 20 players in a confined area to the left side of the pitch. I cannot understand why a right winger does not stay out wide right. This is not just about Stanley - all teams seem to do it. Perhaps someone with a coaching badge could explain. ;)
 
Revived Red said:
I suspect a bit of selective memory here, Chrisr, especially relating to Piero. His link play with Brad Halliday on the right wing was excellent. As the season progressed, Halliday had the confidence to overlap more and more and the crosses came from him as well as Piero.



Very rarely. Because our players, like most in League 2, do not have the skills of Jordan Henderson, Cesc Fabregas, Yaya Toure etc. The sort of pass you seem to favour has only a limited chance of success at our level; more often than not we would be giving the ball to the opposition either directly or via a throw-in.

What continues to mystify me is the bunching at one side or the other when a goal kick is being taken. If the keeper takes it from the left side of the goal area, there are usually 20 players in a confined area to the left side of the pitch. I cannot understand why a right winger does not stay out wide right. This is not just about Stanley - all teams seem to do it. Perhaps someone with a coaching badge could explain. ;)
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I think the selective memory is on your side RR if you watched Donacien with the centre midfielders we had on loan we were spreading the game wide. Donacien put several top quality balls into the box. I said he would be better played out on the right up front. I think I was right on that one. Piero did link up with Brad Halliday while he was here for a while. I was accused of saying Edwards was a fast player when people have suggested I hadn't seen him, I think I got that one right as well. As for the type of crosses I suggested did have the desired effect against a strong Notts County side. You have contradicted yourself when you said they keep bunching on the left. You then asked why we did not have a right winger out wide right. Err we did, piero and latterly Jon o'Sullivan it was common talk on our side that the players on the left side never looked up and made the wide pass we were making yesterday. You can't have it always. Yesterday's tactical play changes by players on loan from a higher level showed us the way. We have all been saying it long enough. I hope Coley continues and learns from this win. It was deserved. I think Billy kee was shell shocked for a while at the amount of decent quality balls he was served with. If this continues he will be banging the goals in again quickly. The next few weeks look promising and I hope if all goes well we can keep a few of the loan signings.
 
Chrisr said:
You have contradicted yourself when you said they keep bunching on the left. You then asked why we did not have a right winger out wide right. Err we did, piero and latterly Jon o'Sullivan it was common talk on our side that the players on the left side never looked up and made the wide pass we were making yesterday.
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You have totally misunderstood my point - because you did not read what I actually wrote. I never said "they keep bunching on the left" - please do not misquote me.

I was talking generically about goal kicks. It is irrelevant which side of the goal area the kick is taken from; I happened to quote the left side as an example. Watch any team - Stanley or Chelsea. If it is taken from the right, the players bunch on the right with the left winger probably no further left than the centre spot. If it is taken from the left, they bunch on the left with the right winger near the centre spot. Sorry that you misunderstood.
 
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RR, you're not the only one who's noticed that, but it's been going on for some time.
It used to amuse me watching little kids' games on Highams' where all 20 outfield players would run around the pitch like a swarm of bees, with the ball in the middle, never being kicked more than five yards. That was because those tots couldn't kick the ball further than five yards.
But why it always happens in the professional game is a puzzle. Maybe the fact you note that teams like Chelsea do it is the reason they all do it?
I've often thought that, if a team practiced it, the keeper could slice or shank his kick into the empty space in the opposite side of the pitch and the corresponding winger would know to run into that space, leaving his defender still in the wrong half of the pitch.

There's a similar puzzle with defending corners. If all 11 players defend, the attackers will leave one player on the half way line, giving the defenders a numerical advantage in their penalty area of 2. But if the defenders leave one forward on the half-way line, the team taking the corner will mark him with two players. Giving the defenders a numerical advantage of....2. Leave two on the half-way line and there'll be at least three of the 'attacking' team kept back to mark them. Leaving those defending the corner with a numerical advantage of....2.
 
There's a similar puzzle with defending corners. If all 11 players defend, the attackers will leave one player on the half way line, giving the defenders a numerical advantage in their penalty area of 2. But if the defenders leave one forward on the half-way line, the team taking the corner will mark him with two players. Giving the defenders a numerical advantage of....2. Leave two on the half-way line and there'll be at least three of the 'attacking' team kept back to mark them. Leaving those defending the corner with a numerical advantage of....2.[/QUOTE]

totally agree exile. can,t see the point of getting everyone back especially the ones that can,t defend, seen a couple of times in the last 12 months where non defending players have got in the way of a defender and caused an opposition goal.
 
monkey hanger said:
There's a similar puzzle with defending corners. If all 11 players defend, the attackers will leave one player on the half way line, giving the defenders a numerical advantage in their penalty area of 2. But if the defenders leave one forward on the half-way line, the team taking the corner will mark him with two players. Giving the defenders a numerical advantage of....2. Leave two on the half-way line and there'll be at least three of the 'attacking' team kept back to mark them. Leaving those defending the corner with a numerical advantage of....2.
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totally agree exile. can,t see the point of getting everyone back especially the ones that can,t defend, seen a couple of times in the last 12 months where non defending players have got in the way of a defender and caused an opposition goal.[/QUOTE]

Hmmm....
I'm thinking silly now.....:130:
When we are defending a corner then we should put nine or even all ten of our outfield players up on the half way line so our opponents will have to pull all of their players back too! When our keeper catches the ball, (hopefully!) from the corner unchallenged we will be back in possession and we will never ever concede a goal from a corner again!:hehetable
.....Simples:joint:
 
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