im not the best in spelling so here we go . three things thats all im going to say. 1 lets just put all bend us . 2 turn in one gruop all fans and get bend jc and jb they are work very hard at keeping us in the league and cups . 3 if we can do that with no more crap going on we could make the play off s . pus its my brith day and we still have a club counld not live with no stanley up the reds
Rob Heys
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I've read (on here and elsewhere) that Ilyas Khan was prepared to bail out the club with no preconditions. While that's very worthy and no doubt many supporters would be grateful, it strikes me as barking.
Unless Mr Khan takes a shareholding for his cash injection - which he could in time pass on to the nascent supporters trust - there would seem to be little point as the club will, most likely, slip into the same debt problems again within not too long a period.
However, I don't think Mr Khan is barking, so no doubt there'll be discussions between Mr Khan and the current board as to what happens between now and next Wednesday. My only hope is that there are some more director resignations, Rob Heys is given a job he's possibly more suited to, and Mr Khan can assert some influence on deciding who will take the club forward.
Unless Mr Khan takes a shareholding for his cash injection - which he could in time pass on to the nascent supporters trust - there would seem to be little point as the club will, most likely, slip into the same debt problems again within not too long a period.
However, I don't think Mr Khan is barking, so no doubt there'll be discussions between Mr Khan and the current board as to what happens between now and next Wednesday. My only hope is that there are some more director resignations, Rob Heys is given a job he's possibly more suited to, and Mr Khan can assert some influence on deciding who will take the club forward.
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Thouroughly nice bloke, but lacking ability, we need and deserve better in that role. Keep him at the club but make him someone's assistant, train him to become an asset.
He is STILL in denial. Dany asks him in today's Observer if the club would have been wound up without Ilyas and Peter's intervention and he replies, for the public record, - "It's impossible to say"! Also some guff about the club having made a profit in the last quarter.
What planet is he on?
What planet is he on?
My opinion - for what it is worth, RH I believe is a good chap, if there are wholesale changes at Stanley, it cannot be a good thing. Team, Coley & Co. Apart, review all staff/positions, but not just an enmass change. Let's give some/all people the chance to prove us wrong. 
P.S. Big post IK
P.S. Big post IK
I for one do not think any of us can question Rob Heys love and passion for the club,he is a fan first and foremost,and for this reason i think he should be given time to redeem himself,but i think he along with everyone else would agreed not as CE.
But what next?
We as fans have our own opinions,and should do,how boring would it be if we all agreeded?
As much as its the fans club it is a business.
But are we fans business qualified to say who should be the next CE?
Do we not now need someone who is not a fan,someone who will not allow their passion for club to cloud their business judgement?
Someone who will make business like decisions for the good of the business,who will not be afraid to make ruthless business decisions,who will not be afraid to turn down ideas for the good of the business,who will take fully calculated business risks(there is risks in business big or small,it can not be avoided)who will work within the business buget,who will deliver bad news to fans but have full reasons for why they are taking such actions,you again can not avoid bad news in business.
We as fans have thrown good money after bad,i dread to think of the times i ve delayed paying bills etc so i could make the next game,only last weekend we cancelled a week away to make the walk and game,we do not what a CE who will make decisions like this,oh sod it i wont pay that bill ill use the money for something else,not a way to run a successful business.
Yes who ever takes on this role should listen to us fans but they should not do something just to please us,they should only do things for the good of the business,if a player has to be sold for the good of business so be it,no matter how much we wish to keep a player they are asset to business and should be viewed as such.They should be able to explain why spending is happening in this dept of business and not others,why cut backs are be made,why they may have reduce out goings,even if it means job loses.This may not sit very well with some fans but it is how the business world works,In comings high out goings low!
I for one will want to able view the next CE profile in the business world before placing my faith in them,but faith we will have place in whoever takes on the CE post because like it or not they will be in charge of club and business.
But what next?
We as fans have our own opinions,and should do,how boring would it be if we all agreeded?
As much as its the fans club it is a business.
But are we fans business qualified to say who should be the next CE?
Do we not now need someone who is not a fan,someone who will not allow their passion for club to cloud their business judgement?
Someone who will make business like decisions for the good of the business,who will not be afraid to make ruthless business decisions,who will not be afraid to turn down ideas for the good of the business,who will take fully calculated business risks(there is risks in business big or small,it can not be avoided)who will work within the business buget,who will deliver bad news to fans but have full reasons for why they are taking such actions,you again can not avoid bad news in business.
We as fans have thrown good money after bad,i dread to think of the times i ve delayed paying bills etc so i could make the next game,only last weekend we cancelled a week away to make the walk and game,we do not what a CE who will make decisions like this,oh sod it i wont pay that bill ill use the money for something else,not a way to run a successful business.
Yes who ever takes on this role should listen to us fans but they should not do something just to please us,they should only do things for the good of the business,if a player has to be sold for the good of business so be it,no matter how much we wish to keep a player they are asset to business and should be viewed as such.They should be able to explain why spending is happening in this dept of business and not others,why cut backs are be made,why they may have reduce out goings,even if it means job loses.This may not sit very well with some fans but it is how the business world works,In comings high out goings low!
I for one will want to able view the next CE profile in the business world before placing my faith in them,but faith we will have place in whoever takes on the CE post because like it or not they will be in charge of club and business.
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My opinion - for what it is worth, RH I believe is a good chap, if there are wholesale changes at Stanley, it cannot be a good thing. Team, Coley & Co. Apart, review all staff/positions, but not just an enmass change. Let's give some/all people the chance to prove us wrong.
P.S. Big post IK
why do ya think it cannot be a good thing Val?
MR Heys seemingly would not recognise the truth if it slapped him in the kisser, he aint even got the balls to hold his hands up to Mr Khan n Mr Marsden, whilst he may be a good chap n stanley through n through he has NOT the ability to be a CEO. IMHO.
I'm well aware of Rob's commitment to the club and I take on-board everything that has been said. However, he is very much a part of the recent regimes that have done nothing to adhere themselves to the hearts of the fans or the town.
While it's highly commendable that he was prepared to re-mortgage his home, it does nothing to remove the fact that he was complicit in the lies and deception which riddle the club at this point in time. The defense of "he was only following orders" doesn't stand and sentiment should not cloud people's judgments.
Far be it from me to call for someone to lose their job and their livelihood, but as long as the old regime remain in place, can anyone really see people trusting the club with investment ever again?
While it's highly commendable that he was prepared to re-mortgage his home, it does nothing to remove the fact that he was complicit in the lies and deception which riddle the club at this point in time. The defense of "he was only following orders" doesn't stand and sentiment should not cloud people's judgments.
Far be it from me to call for someone to lose their job and their livelihood, but as long as the old regime remain in place, can anyone really see people trusting the club with investment ever again?
whilst that is beyond dispute dave, what is not -is the fact we would have NO club without I.K. n P.M.s intervention, saying its impossible to know, is beyond the pale.
It strikes me that if Mr Heys were to make any public comments about the handling of the situation that were of a negative nature, this would probably not go down very well with those who pay his wages. In the role he is in he has to be tactful in what he says, otherwise there is the distinct possibility of losing his job.
We do not know what restrictions he has been given on what he is and is not allowed to say, nor how many of his comments are those he has been instructed to say.
The first post in this thread makes great sense.
We do not know what restrictions he has been given on what he is and is not allowed to say, nor how many of his comments are those he has been instructed to say.
The first post in this thread makes great sense.
Good Post TM !.....and whilst being in agreement with much of what IK had to say, in particular regarding RH's personal sacrifices, the need for some continuity in a transitional stage, and that he is, and that he always was and always will be a staunch supporter of Accrington Stanley...my main concern remains, and that is over a long period now if he, as CEO has been the one responsible for setting the objectives which would see Accrington Stanley maintaining itself as a successful entity both in the World of Soccer, and as an ongoing and developing Organisation...then to the most unskilled eye it is most obvious that these Objectives have failed !!.
My other concern is that unless New Management skills are introduced at the earliest opportunity, then the downward spiral towards Corporate oblivion will
persist !....
If RH , plus a skilled team of Strategist's can achieve a reversal of this, then nothing would please me more than to see this pleasant and amenable young man receiving the acclaim which will be his due!.....BUT ??????
This may well be my last post.............
Your all dreaming….Accrington Stanley Football Club by rights should have been dead years ago, it’s been punching above its weight since its conception and the only reason it’s ever managed to survive is thought the effort and pockets of the people who have funded it too date…..this includes past and present owners, directors, shareholders and those walking through the gates on a Saturday and purchasing merchandise and those who have sponsored the club over the years.
It was the loss of sponsorship that thrust us into this crisis; yes poor judgement and inaptitude played a major role in bring us to this point, but it’s the lack of funding that is the root cause.
If you clear out the existing team you will have to find someone to replace them, someone who will be willing to tip in out of their own pockets (like Rob Hays who remortgaging his Home) like O’Neil who has put money and resources in; yes they are poor judges and their objectives where out of reach but they put time in for little, if any return.
Replace them with what; ASSF/ST a bunch of ultra dedicated supporters without two stones to rub together, holding down day jobs, giving what time they can spare between family and Bed? It will never work……I have tremendous respect for those of you I know and for those I don’t who put in a lot of time to support Stanley beyond the call; but realistically, are you going to have the time needed over and above what you are doing now to run a Football Club, where are you going to get the money to pay for these Football/Business savvy replacements (who will want to go home at 5.30 and have two days off and a big salary to boot.
Will Mr. Khan want to put his business objective on hold and rush to your aid every time you have a financial crisis…..because even he will have limits to be input?
Like or not we are a poor run down east Lancashire town football club with no money and few real friends in the world of business, if we weren’t we wouldn’t be in this ****.
Accrington Stanley was built on the backs of people who grafted and put their hands in their own pockets.
Mr. O’Neil took a big chance and fell down, He Promised he would not let Accrington Stanley Fold. Well he nearly did and must recognise that time is running out and he should act with honour and find a buyer. The rest should get on with there jobs and carry on moving this club forward until such time as it can finance itself……..
In three years time the ASSF/ST can possibly take control and we can all play our part. Unless you want to put your money where your mouths are and remortgage your homes to buy the club.
Your all dreaming….Accrington Stanley Football Club by rights should have been dead years ago, it’s been punching above its weight since its conception and the only reason it’s ever managed to survive is thought the effort and pockets of the people who have funded it too date…..this includes past and present owners, directors, shareholders and those walking through the gates on a Saturday and purchasing merchandise and those who have sponsored the club over the years.
It was the loss of sponsorship that thrust us into this crisis; yes poor judgement and inaptitude played a major role in bring us to this point, but it’s the lack of funding that is the root cause.
If you clear out the existing team you will have to find someone to replace them, someone who will be willing to tip in out of their own pockets (like Rob Hays who remortgaging his Home) like O’Neil who has put money and resources in; yes they are poor judges and their objectives where out of reach but they put time in for little, if any return.
Replace them with what; ASSF/ST a bunch of ultra dedicated supporters without two stones to rub together, holding down day jobs, giving what time they can spare between family and Bed? It will never work……I have tremendous respect for those of you I know and for those I don’t who put in a lot of time to support Stanley beyond the call; but realistically, are you going to have the time needed over and above what you are doing now to run a Football Club, where are you going to get the money to pay for these Football/Business savvy replacements (who will want to go home at 5.30 and have two days off and a big salary to boot.
Will Mr. Khan want to put his business objective on hold and rush to your aid every time you have a financial crisis…..because even he will have limits to be input?
Like or not we are a poor run down east Lancashire town football club with no money and few real friends in the world of business, if we weren’t we wouldn’t be in this ****.
Accrington Stanley was built on the backs of people who grafted and put their hands in their own pockets.
Mr. O’Neil took a big chance and fell down, He Promised he would not let Accrington Stanley Fold. Well he nearly did and must recognise that time is running out and he should act with honour and find a buyer. The rest should get on with there jobs and carry on moving this club forward until such time as it can finance itself……..
In three years time the ASSF/ST can possibly take control and we can all play our part. Unless you want to put your money where your mouths are and remortgage your homes to buy the club.
Well said!.........I feel the same way!..I've seen too much, heard too much and know too much, but obviously not enough!
Best Regards to all and here's hoping that "Peace" can be found quickly!
Signing -off!
Gary
Im glad im still dreaming & hoping without that nothing is achieved - whilst i still live in this town, born & bred i will continue to support my beleloved club - foolishly or not. What ? so we all give up cos lets face it its not gonna make millions..........we KNOW that, what about our players arn't they worthy of a chance? Would rather go down on the sinking ship knowing that we god damned tried!!! The current board know the feelings & its our job to make them aware of the importance of OUR club its OUR duty to OUR players whom thro all of this have been totally professional & successful in the shadows - FOR THEM im willing to try as THEY have for us so far
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for gods sake leave rob heys alone,he was only doing what he was told to do by the previous owner,who was apain in the arse to work for and who,s word was LAW,rob has been with asfc since the bad old days like going to horwich rmi, marine or even knowsley fc on a cold and wet wednesday night, yes he has made mistakes but it goes even further than that up to the very top of asfc,what about all these quotes from mr EW that the club is solvent and we owe nowt to the taxman, rob was employed on a need to know basis,and the former chairman is at fault for all this debt,fact the inland revenue bills were not paid when mr EW was in charge as the amount that asfc now owe to the IR now shows,Rob Heyes has done a hell of a lot for this club under a lot of pressure from the last owners to keep quiet,so give the lad abreak,would any of you lot have wanted the pressure and the job that he had,