Rob heys
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I know what you mean - it's a shame there is no way to communicate other than face to face....
Well done to the Chairman. I asked for some action and he's done as best he can in the circumstances.
By the way, whatever the rights and wrongs, don't underestimate the damage bad news like this can do to the club's reputation. Just had a friend email the latest communication from the North-West Business Adviser, which made it their top story.
By the way, whatever the rights and wrongs, don't underestimate the damage bad news like this can do to the club's reputation. Just had a friend email the latest communication from the North-West Business Adviser, which made it their top story.
Don't know him in HONG KONG though any financial support would be welcome I'm sure.
Travelling WEST rather than EAST would take you to the director in BRAZIL!
It is everyones aware of that, but its the rules, so yeh gotta abide by em.
Just got back off my holiday on Monday.
I have not seen a newspaper, watched the news on a TV or listened to anything on the radio for a while.
So when I read news of this on Teletext I was totally dumbfounded and profoundly shocked!!!
I have taken the time to read ALL the responses on this post and once the full details emerged many sensible points and observations have been made, (particularly #170 by Jegred).
There could be a separate discussion about the moral issues regarding betting in general and paricularly betting in football but I will try to leave that broader issue alone in my response here.
Some have expressesed unbelief that a CEO could bet at all when he clearly knows the rules and some posters have commented on Rob being a good bloke and having the RED blood of Stanley in his viens like most of us supporters.
In the early days, long before he was CEO, perhaps he may have been unaware that he should not have been having a small flutter now and then but once he grew into a more senior standing in the club and then as CEO he should have had the strength to simply put a stop to it.
However, in thirteen pages of posts nobody has commented on the true nature of "betting" and the way that it can take a real hold on a persons life. It seems to me that gambling/betting is an addiction, and could be classsified as a kind of sickness, which once allowed into a persons life could be as difficult to break out of as smoking or doing drugs. (Incidentally, I have never done any of these three things so I could be talking very naively and in blissful ignorance.)
I have spoken with Rob on a few occasions, when ordering seson tickets etc in the office, and I too always found him to be a very pleasant chap. I suppose that I am trying to make the point that although he deserves to lose his job, be fined and have some sort of suspension, but also that we should try hard to show some undestanding with Rob about his need to gamble but also show some empathy regarding his family situation now that he is out of a job. I sincerely hope that Rob can sort himself out positively, and whilst he may have succumbed to a weakness, I would also like to thank him for his hard work at Stanley and wish him well for the future.
Now we have to begin again..... after a another disappointing chapter in our history.
Peter Marsden has done exactly the right thing in making an early statement and in calling the supporters to rally again and get 100% behind James Beattie and the team.
ON STANEY ON
I have not seen a newspaper, watched the news on a TV or listened to anything on the radio for a while. So when I read news of this on Teletext I was totally dumbfounded and profoundly shocked!!!I have taken the time to read ALL the responses on this post and once the full details emerged many sensible points and observations have been made, (particularly #170 by Jegred).
There could be a separate discussion about the moral issues regarding betting in general and paricularly betting in football but I will try to leave that broader issue alone in my response here.
Some have expressesed unbelief that a CEO could bet at all when he clearly knows the rules and some posters have commented on Rob being a good bloke and having the RED blood of Stanley in his viens like most of us supporters.
In the early days, long before he was CEO, perhaps he may have been unaware that he should not have been having a small flutter now and then but once he grew into a more senior standing in the club and then as CEO he should have had the strength to simply put a stop to it.
However, in thirteen pages of posts nobody has commented on the true nature of "betting" and the way that it can take a real hold on a persons life. It seems to me that gambling/betting is an addiction, and could be classsified as a kind of sickness, which once allowed into a persons life could be as difficult to break out of as smoking or doing drugs. (Incidentally, I have never done any of these three things so I could be talking very naively and in blissful ignorance.)
I have spoken with Rob on a few occasions, when ordering seson tickets etc in the office, and I too always found him to be a very pleasant chap. I suppose that I am trying to make the point that although he deserves to lose his job, be fined and have some sort of suspension, but also that we should try hard to show some undestanding with Rob about his need to gamble but also show some empathy regarding his family situation now that he is out of a job. I sincerely hope that Rob can sort himself out positively, and whilst he may have succumbed to a weakness, I would also like to thank him for his hard work at Stanley and wish him well for the future.
Now we have to begin again..... after a another disappointing chapter in our history.
Peter Marsden has done exactly the right thing in making an early statement and in calling the supporters to rally again and get 100% behind James Beattie and the team.
ON STANEY ON
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It doesn't mater where they live, we live in the 21st century with good communication systems, decisions can be made, relayed, etc.
My friend runs a business in Australia, he lives in the UK.
It works fine - he has 2 daily conference calls with his core staff.
No reason why Stanley should be any different, if anything it should be easier .
Agree, Davo, it's the quality and commitment of the directors, not their home address, that's important at times like this.
They are in a unique position exile on spencer st, the person they appointed to run the club day to day has 'let them down' or words to that affect.
Im sure all the directors are in communication away from the media outlets ears, and that's exactly how it should be.
They have released an initial statement, I suppose its reasonable to expect a follow up statement by the end of the week?
Im sure all the directors are in communication away from the media outlets ears, and that's exactly how it should be.
They have released an initial statement, I suppose its reasonable to expect a follow up statement by the end of the week?
Draco may have thought that but now we prefer them to be proportionate in a fairer society. Otherwise we could have 2 year bans for doing 31 mph in a 30 zone.
What a load of cobblers.
but thousands of years of history show us that hard deterrents don't work.
See America and its move to longer harder prison sentences.
Some crime in particular murder and rape continue to rise along with the prison population but they fail to deal with the real issues at hand as to why the crime is occurring or why the rule breaking is occurring.
Giving Rob a large ban wont really matter to the bloke, his reputation has been damaged, it would be fair to assume he wont likely work in football again, Stanley's reputation has been dealt a blow - do you really think a harder deterrent would have made a blind bit of difference in this instance or any others?
In this instance, education is the answer.
To quote from Rob's lengthy statement "
The FA betting rules have changed several times over the years and as a result of some of those changes I have unwittingly broken the regulations.
As a senior officer/executive it was incumbent on him to be fully conversant with the rules and regulations at all times. if there was confusion for him he should have sought advice. Indeed DAV007 education comes into it, self education.
Ignorance is no defence in the eyes of the law.
Rob uses the word "unwittingly" instead of ignorant, well I have read the rules of the FA on betting they are crystal clear to me.
And I'll tell you this for nothing, the man is still gambling in my book by going to appeal
or should I say hedging his bets??
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The Rules are here:
FA ban Accrington managing director Robert Heys for betting offences | Mail Online
Simple
FA ban Accrington managing director Robert Heys for betting offences | Mail Online
Simple
I think this may be a case of mistaken identity
your reply is your opinion just like my post was my THOUGHTS only, i may be wrong. But of course you WON'T BE .......
Simple maybe - but incredible in their scope.
I suspect hundreds of club players, officials and staff will have unknowingly breached the rules last year on Cup Final day alone.
If someone had told me a fortnight ago that someone who works in a club's shop couldn't have a bet on the Cup Final I simply wouldn't have believed it.
Games involving your own club or if you are in some way able to influence the result - OK. The rest - mad.
Doesn't excuse Rob. at least not once he had real responsibilities at Stanley, but for me at least goes some way to explain.