Sick and fed up!

[webglynne]

I am sick and fed up of hearing/reading it!

“Lessons will be learned!”

Time and time again we get this when it means nothing, things do not change.

Yobs slaughter the disabled and aged, kids beaten to death or staved!

Jon Venables “rehabilitated” and released with a new I D but what about the man who is thought to be him and persecuted for that ? Should he not be given a new I D?

 

[jaysay]

I am sick and fed up of hearing/reading it!

“Lessons will be learned!”

Time and time again we get this when it means nothing, things do not change.

Yobs slaughter the disabled and aged, kids beaten to death or staved!

Jon Venables “rehabilitated” and released with a new I D but what about the man who is thought to be him and persecuted for that ? Should he not be given a new I D?

I totally agree, we've become an apologist society, where the victim comes second

 

[katex]

Yobs slaughter the disabled and aged, kids beaten to death or staved!

Jon Venables “rehabilitated” and released with a new I D but what about the man who is thought to be him and persecuted for that ? Should he not be given a new I D?

I have put a link up for you Webglynne so everybody knows what you are talking about ....

BBC News - Man mistaken for Bulger killer wants Venables named

David Calvert thinks that Jack Straw should 'stand up the real Venables', however, I think, at the moment, is best for Mr. Straw just to publicly state David Calvert is not the man.

Presume you are talking generally about young people harrassing the vulnerable; the story of David Askew had me in tears:

Teen charged in connection with David Askew death - Manchester Evening News

Not many details on this report but seemingly he had been the victim of taunting for years due to his mental disablement ... kids throwing stones at him, at the windows, nicknaming him 'Dopey Dave' .. even following him to the betting office as he regularly placed a 10p. bet, and the Manager had to ask him not to come in any more due to the disturbance the yobs caused.

The stories go on and on about this case ... heartbreaking.

 

[jaysay]

I have put a link up for you Webglynne so everybody knows what you are talking about ....

BBC News - Man mistaken for Bulger killer wants Venables named

David Calvert thinks that Jack Straw should 'stand up the real Venables', however, I think, at the moment, is best for Mr. Straw just to publicly state David Calvert is not the man.

Presume you are talking generally about young people harrassing the vulnerable; the story of David Askew had me in tears:

Teen charged in connection with David Askew death - Manchester Evening News

Not many details on this report but seemingly he had been the victim of taunting for years due to his mental disablement ... kids throwing stones at him, at the windows, nicknaming him 'Dopey Dave' .. even following him to the betting office as he regularly placed a 10p. bet, and the Manager had to ask him not to come in any more due to the disturbance the yobs caused.

The stories go on and on about this case ... heartbreaking.

Just makes you wonder what this country has become over the years since we were in our teens kate, we have been failed by successive governments, who do not seem to have had the answers, Me thinks its time to turn the clock back and start again where kids respected their parents teachers and authority in general, now all we get is you can't touch me I've got rights. In my day you earned your rights as a kid not given them on a whim by dogooding muppets

 

[Less]

It isn't just the young, there are people of all ages that get away with what to ordinary people is disgusting, without thinking most of us go through life treating others in a way we hope they will behave towards us.

Unfortunately, we now have principles above what we can afford, too much sympathy for the person causing harm and nothing for the poor victim to help them over their Crisis.

 

[shillelagh]

Just makes you wonder what this country has become over the years since we were in our teens kate, we have been failed by successive governments, who do not seem to have had the answers, Me thinks its time to turn the clock back and start again where kids respected their parents teachers and authority in general, now all we get is you can't touch me I've got rights. In my day you earned your rights as a kid not given them on a whim by dogooding muppets

but jaysay .. teenagers today are your grandchildren or maybe great grandchildren .. the parents of the teenagers are your children .. now does this mean you didnt bring your kids up right to be the parents they are today ..

is the government of the day .. no matter who it is... responsible for the way you bring up your children ..

 

[katex]

Unfortunately, we now have principles above what we can afford, too much sympathy for the person causing harm and nothing for the poor victim to help them over their Crisis.

I'm not too sure about this Less, maybe it is just a case of we hear of these types of cases more, and not the ones where victims have had the best of help and justice ?

 

[Less]

Just makes you wonder what this country has become over the years since we were in our teens kate, we have been failed by successive governments,

Sorry J' rather than pass the Buck to ineffectual Governments, after all, they are all basically useless, it is our generation that has let so many others down.

Our parent's were busy during the 40's & 50's living on nothing trying to restore the Country.

What have we done?

Wasted the lot and expect our children & their children to sort it out for us, what a wasted generation we are.

We could have done so much better.

 

[jaysay]

It isn't just the young, there are people of all ages that get away with what to ordinary people is disgusting, without thinking most of us go through life treating others in a way we hope they will behave towards us.

Unfortunately, we now have principles above what we can afford, too much sympathy for the person causing harm and nothing for the poor victim to help them over their Crisis.

It started with the young Less and as grown worse through the generations, now its a sickness which afflicts all of society. The place to put things right is before the youngsters get entrenched in their bad ways, but it will always be an upward battle, change for the better always is

 

[jaysay]

but jaysay .. teenagers today are your grandchildren or maybe great grandchildren .. the parents of the teenagers are your children .. now does this mean you didn't bring your kids up right to be the parents they are today ..

is the government of the day .. no matter who it is... responsible for the way you bring up your children ..

No trouble with my kids Jen even though they come from a split family, my Granddaughter is a credit to her mother, don't know about my two grandsons they're a bit to young and live abroad, but the eldest who's nearly 7 is doing great at school, but time will only tell

 

[Less]

It started with the young Less and as grown worse through the generations, now its a sickness which afflicts all of society. The place to put things right is before the youngsters get entrenched in their bad ways, but it will always be an upward battle, change for the better always is

No it started with the parents of the young, watch David Attenborough nature programmes, young monkey see, young monkey do.

Lead by example, don't blame others for our selfish mistakes.

 

[Less]

No trouble with my kids Jen even though they come from a split family, my Granddaughter is a credit to her mother, don't know about my two grandsons they're a bit to young and live abroad, but the eldest who's nearly 7 is doing great at school, but time will only tell

As once said by a member of the Five Penny Piece,

"Kids are like Farts, we can stand our own."

 

[jaysay]

Sorry J' rather than pass the Buck to ineffectual Governments, after all, they are all basically useless, it is our generation that has let so many others down.

Our parent's were busy during the 40's & 50's living on nothing trying to restore the Country.

What have we done?

Wasted the lot and expect our children & their children to sort it out for us, what a wasted generation we are.

We could have done so much better.

I hear what your saying Less, and in a way I can agree, but I think government has to take some responsibility down the line, for letting things get as bad as it is today, after all its they who set out legislation on the way we have to live our lives

 

[shillelagh]

but what about the stuff you dont hear about .. how do you know for certain that they theyre not up to mischief out of sight of their parents .. did you tell your parents everything you got up to .. did you hell as like .. you knew what would happen .. and when you were daddy ... werent you a bit easier on your kids than your parents were on you .. you werent as strict .. and thats what im getting at .. your kids probably arent as strict as you were on their parents .. just like you werent on your kids ..

 

[jaysay]

As once said by a member of the Five Penny Piece,

Just when I get a bit serious, I'm rolling on the floor again

 

[jaysay]

but what about the stuff you dont hear about .. how do you know for certain that they theyre not up to mischief out of sight of their parents .. did you tell your parents everything you got up to .. did you hell as like .. you knew what would happen .. and when you were daddy ... werent you a bit easier on your kids than your parents were on you .. you werent as strict .. and thats what im getting at .. your kids probably arent as strict as you were on their parents .. just like you werent on your kids ..

Well mine are 42 and 41 and noughts come back to my doorstep Jen

 

[webglynne]

Thank you katex.


I think there was a case in Lancaster years ago of a shop keeper being harrassed all the time with nothing happening.

"A booky banning a man for the actions of youths"? So no good calling the cops?

 

[Less]

I hear what your saying Less, and in a way I can agree, but I think government has to take some responsibility down the line, for letting things get as bad as it is today, after all its they who set out legislation on the way we have to live our lives

But who let these successive Governments get away with it?

The mess was left with us all saying, let someone else sort it, now if MargeR is even 1% right, we are Doomed, Doomed I tell ye! It's no use blaming others, even by being passive, never mind blinkered, isn't it time we all stopped blaming other peoples 'yoof', and admitted we are the ones that cocked up, don't pass it on, take responsibility for all we've done.

Then maybe the next lot can sort it out because it's a problem, not, because the old farts didn't give them a chance.

 

[garinda]

but jaysay .. teenagers today are your grandchildren or maybe great grandchildren .. the parents of the teenagers are your children .. now does this mean you didnt bring your kids up right to be the parents they are today.

A very good point.

Parenting it learned from example, even if it means you do the opposite from your own parents.

I firmly believe our national psyche changed for the worse in the eighties. We began to care less about others in our society, and wanted what was best for us individually. The me, me, me generation.

 

[jaysay]

Thank you katex.


I think there was a case in Lancaster years ago of a shop keeper being harrassed all the time with nothing happening.

"A booky banning a man for the actions of youths"? So no good calling the cops?

I actually worked in that shop WG many moons ago, it was a fortress even then, the owner was an Asian guy, nice bloke, but I think he eventually gave in and sold up