Smoking
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And better yet, we are going to be subjected to his diary on the subject......He's looking for sponsorship - the good thing is......(I was going to say he is donating his body to medical science, but that was just a bit of whimsy) the proceeds go to Cancer Charities.
I think you might be right there Grego..... This man is an ego-maniac......the sooner Mrs K wipes the grin off his mush.....and I truly hope she does.
Sorry for the slight Thread wander.....well, it IS related....sort of!
I don't live in that Ward either........and I cannot stand the man.....he reminds me of a slug, now.....where did I put that salt?
They've brought this bill in about smoking in pubs and its a total mess. If your pub does food then you cant smoke in it. If your pub doesnt do food then you can smoke in it. If you belong to a private members only club you can still smoke. Can you see what is going to happen - pubs that only do a small taking on food are going to stop doing food all together so that they can still be a smoking pub.
I went to dublin where the no smoking ban is in place and i liked it. If i wanted a ciggie i had to go outside either the front door or some of the pubs had designated areas outside with patio heaters and chairs and umbrellas. I found that i didnt smoke as much because i had to go outside.
The only thing is though as i've been told once you get out of dublin and the main cities that a lot of bars/pubs have shut because of the no smoking ban. People because they couldnt smoke just didnt go out and so they lost a lot of business. Also the further you get away from dublin and the main cities it isnt enforced as much - so they are still smoking in pubs and bars down in deepest galway!
I went to dublin where the no smoking ban is in place and i liked it. If i wanted a ciggie i had to go outside either the front door or some of the pubs had designated areas outside with patio heaters and chairs and umbrellas. I found that i didnt smoke as much because i had to go outside.
The only thing is though as i've been told once you get out of dublin and the main cities that a lot of bars/pubs have shut because of the no smoking ban. People because they couldnt smoke just didnt go out and so they lost a lot of business. Also the further you get away from dublin and the main cities it isnt enforced as much - so they are still smoking in pubs and bars down in deepest galway!
It would, eventually, but in the obituary column. Cashman and I think alike on this subject.
Let me state at the outset that I accept that smoking is bad for the smoker and obnoxious to the non-smoker in the vicinity but both groups have rights that clash.
A couple of years ago when I was forced to use public transport because my car was going through its annual service I was stood at the bus stop in a queue. A bus arrived but it was not the one that many of the others in the queue and me wanted. As passengers alighted and some of the queue boarded I found myself in line with the back of the bus whose engine was ticking over thrusting clouds of fumes into the atmosphere. I was smoking at the time and the woman behind me in the queue objected to me smoking because I was polluting the air she was breathing. She just wouldn’t accept that the bus’s exhaust fumes were causing her far more harm than my one cigarette. Much to her chagrin I continued to smoke the rest of my fag until the bus arrived during which time she tried to force me to stop. I didn’t! I was in that space first.
It is this hypocritical attitude of non-smokers that sticks in my craw. They crave for clean air to breathe but are quite happy to breath the atmosphere polluted by vehicle fumes and industry yet object to tobacco smoke.
I accept that public buildings should be non-smoking areas but only IF THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING DECLARES IT SO and not because of some government intervention. In the open air if a non-smoker invades my space then that is their problem if I happen to be smoking. They should keep clear of my space.
The work place should be a non-smoking work place unless 100% of the workforce and the management want it otherwise. Pubs and restaurants should declare themselves as either smoking or non-smoking and let market forces decide which was the right decision. Will any of the non-smoking campaign participants go to all the pubs and restaurants that they are trying to force becoming non-smoking? Not likely! These anti smoking brigadiers just want to impose their way of life on the rest of us. I don’t see non-alcohol drinkers doing the same to the boozers. Yet alcohol causes far more distress, harm, injury and instant death to innocent bystanders than tobacco ever did. Are the young yobos, yobos because they smoke or is it because of alcohol? Nurses and doctors get attacked in A & E by drunken louts not someone wanting to smoke a fag. Our town centres are full of rowdy, drunken people on a night out. Cars are vandalised by drunks, not smokers.
If a non-smoker visits a pub that allows smoking then they have no right to complain and definitely no right to try to force the pub to become non-smoking. If I walk into a building that does not allow smoking I wouldn’t dream of even asking if anyone minded if I smoked. I obey the rule for that building. I don’t try to force my view onto others, so why should they do that to me?
Finally, if smokers die younger than non-smokers then the government (in reality that is the tax payer) is saved the burden of paying their pensions.
A couple of years ago when I was forced to use public transport because my car was going through its annual service I was stood at the bus stop in a queue. A bus arrived but it was not the one that many of the others in the queue and me wanted. As passengers alighted and some of the queue boarded I found myself in line with the back of the bus whose engine was ticking over thrusting clouds of fumes into the atmosphere. I was smoking at the time and the woman behind me in the queue objected to me smoking because I was polluting the air she was breathing. She just wouldn’t accept that the bus’s exhaust fumes were causing her far more harm than my one cigarette. Much to her chagrin I continued to smoke the rest of my fag until the bus arrived during which time she tried to force me to stop. I didn’t! I was in that space first.
It is this hypocritical attitude of non-smokers that sticks in my craw. They crave for clean air to breathe but are quite happy to breath the atmosphere polluted by vehicle fumes and industry yet object to tobacco smoke.
I accept that public buildings should be non-smoking areas but only IF THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING DECLARES IT SO and not because of some government intervention. In the open air if a non-smoker invades my space then that is their problem if I happen to be smoking. They should keep clear of my space.
The work place should be a non-smoking work place unless 100% of the workforce and the management want it otherwise. Pubs and restaurants should declare themselves as either smoking or non-smoking and let market forces decide which was the right decision. Will any of the non-smoking campaign participants go to all the pubs and restaurants that they are trying to force becoming non-smoking? Not likely! These anti smoking brigadiers just want to impose their way of life on the rest of us. I don’t see non-alcohol drinkers doing the same to the boozers. Yet alcohol causes far more distress, harm, injury and instant death to innocent bystanders than tobacco ever did. Are the young yobos, yobos because they smoke or is it because of alcohol? Nurses and doctors get attacked in A & E by drunken louts not someone wanting to smoke a fag. Our town centres are full of rowdy, drunken people on a night out. Cars are vandalised by drunks, not smokers.
If a non-smoker visits a pub that allows smoking then they have no right to complain and definitely no right to try to force the pub to become non-smoking. If I walk into a building that does not allow smoking I wouldn’t dream of even asking if anyone minded if I smoked. I obey the rule for that building. I don’t try to force my view onto others, so why should they do that to me?
Finally, if smokers die younger than non-smokers then the government (in reality that is the tax payer) is saved the burden of paying their pensions.
The general consencus on here then is to smoke, is this a true percentage reflection of what the population think? do the majority of non-smokers give a hoot whether we smoke or not, passive or otherwise? The figure of what revenue tobacco raises against the NHS burden is an interesting one. I spend about £30 pound a week on fags and I estimate about 75% of this this to be tax related. That means I will pay around £62,400 over 40 years. I will only need treatment once if at all. Does this cost more or less than £62,400. If I dont die before pension age can I opt to have my non-existant-by-that-time state pension fund topped up please.
And what about petrol stations? their profits are based on the extra 30p a pack they charge for fags, so your fuel cost are going to rise. Haulage companies will go out of business thus putting more people on benefits
And where will all the Asian greengrocers (why GREEN grocers?) go when we stop popping in for smokes. More benefits thats what! No taxi's cos we won't be going to the now smoke free pubs. Unemployed taxi drivers means more benefits! And unemployed Asian doctors cos we are all going to be fit and healthy. More benefits!
So in general, stop smoking means Less tax revenue from fags, Less tax revenue from alcohol, Increase in the welfare state deficit and Increase race riots because the unemployed shoppies,drivers and doctors will have the time for Holy Jihad
Have a word with yourself Tony Blair, I think you need to have a lie down
And what about petrol stations? their profits are based on the extra 30p a pack they charge for fags, so your fuel cost are going to rise. Haulage companies will go out of business thus putting more people on benefits
And where will all the Asian greengrocers (why GREEN grocers?) go when we stop popping in for smokes. More benefits thats what! No taxi's cos we won't be going to the now smoke free pubs. Unemployed taxi drivers means more benefits! And unemployed Asian doctors cos we are all going to be fit and healthy. More benefits!
So in general, stop smoking means Less tax revenue from fags, Less tax revenue from alcohol, Increase in the welfare state deficit and Increase race riots because the unemployed shoppies,drivers and doctors will have the time for Holy Jihad
Have a word with yourself Tony Blair, I think you need to have a lie down
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