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-pixie said:
I don't expect everyone (myself included) to be saints, but I know that I do as much as I can to reduce polluting the world we live in.
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Even though your P.C. is only consuming somwhere around the same power as a 60w bulb, that use of electricity is helping to create CO2 emissions which are supposed to be bad for the world, they reckon that for every one in the world to have the same living standards as we in the west enjoy, we would need the resources of another three planets the equivelent to our home planet Earth. No my dear, neither you, I, or anybody around here is doing as much as possible to reduce the worlds pollution we are all TOO selfish!

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vorlon24 said:
You and me both!!!

The day I got my new computer was a good one!
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Ah yes but what type of proccesses go into making that little wonder? the heating & moulding the plastic, the acids that are used to etch the printed circuits, the copper mining & smelting, the................:end:

But what the hey? Don't worry about such things after all we are overdue to be hit by a rogue asteroid which will cause a nuclear winter destroying all life as we know it, so don't let little things like global warming worry you, get the fags out & then go for a spin down to London & back in your car just so you can use some more motor fuel. Life is for living lets enjoy it before it's too late.
 
vorlon24 said:
All I wish for if something like that happens is that I am with my wife and kids at the time
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If you are the last words you will hear are, "this is ALL your fault!".

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Less said:
Ah yes but what type of proccesses go into making that little wonder? the heating & moulding the plastic, the acids that are used to etch the printed circuits, the copper mining & smelting, the................:end:
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:eek:Good Grief Less! Are you trying to make us feel guilty or something? :sad8:

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It's a good job I do all my cleaning with non-toxic substances after all the pollution I've already caused. :flamethro
 
Hey Pixie where in my thread did i once mention OK? I never said smoking was OK i simply went on that the non-smokers are talking about clean air and it being unfair we are polluting your right to clean air, well like i said im not a driver but me and my children have to breathe car fumes everytime we step out of our houses! but im not campaigning about it your right to clean air is simply the same as mine, in this day and age theres no such thing as *clean* air just the stuff we all have to breathe.
I could then start on the drinkers would we all be for it if they decided to ban drinking alcohol in public places? after all there is ill living and deaths caused by that too. Innocent people get killed instantly from drunk drivers and fights with glasses and bottles, the list is endless.

I would rather be a passive smoker and still die at a good age than to killed by a drunk driver tomorrow.
 
willow my example was of one car in an enclosed space in reality we are talking hundreds of thousands of cars in an open space out come in a few years wont be far from the same!
 
I think the general thrust of comments so far is that there are far more things that can kill you, quicker than passive smoking. But these things are not legislated against. Passive smoking on the other hand is the current fashionable moral panic. It is hysteria whipped up by the media and politicians are only too happy to jump on any bandwagon they see as having the potential to improve their flagging popularity.

Despite protestations to the contrary, there is no proven 100% watertight link between passive smoking and cancer in non smokers. The environment and the food we eat and our sedentary lifestyles contibute every bit as much to the increasing incidence of cancer, if not more so.

"Oh but Roy Castle Died of Passive Smoking". No he didn't, he died of lung cancer, which was just as likley to have been caused by environmental factors or genetic predisposition. The media is very good at finding people who will testify in support of any thesis it wishes to advance, on the basis that people are, by and large, sheep in search of a shepherd.

Flat-pack Furniture. Now there's a little known hazard. It gives off formaldehyde, a recognised carcinogen, and yet you fill your house with the stuff, breathe in the fumes and then wonder why, twenty years later, you have developed lung cancer!
 
Can you explain to me how my computer desk is currently giving off formaldehyde? Does this happen on a daily basis? Are there any situations which cause it to happen to a greater or lesser degree? Should I be wearing a gas mask as I type? :blinky:
 
Yes. If it is made of MDF or Chipboard it gives off the formaldehyde continually. It is due to the glues they use to keep the wood chips and fibres together. this is why it is advised that you wear masks when cutting MDF. Chuck it out and get a metal or glass one. Better still see if you can find an old office desk. a bit of sanding and a couple of coats of varnish and hey presto, a piece of furniture that is attractive, solid and is an example of recycling in action. Mucho brownie points!
 
Acrylic-bob said:
Better still see if you can find an old office desk. a bit of sanding and a couple of coats of varnish and hey presto, a piece of furniture that is attractive, solid and is an example of recycling in action. Mucho brownie points!
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Except for the bits about about sanding, varnishing looking attractive etc you've just described my desk A-B. It's one of those utility jobbies made during the post war years. As well as having plenty of space on top for all my p.c. equipment it has lots of drawers, a little tray thing for pens paperclips etc. and the best thing of all this must have been put on here by some guy that could see into the future, a little slide in & out piece of wood that is ideal for my mouse, puts it right were I want it. If I was ever to clear the accumulated litter from the top of my desk I would probably need to give it a coat of varnish but as it is I think it has that homely appeal to it that means I'll never part with it.

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This is from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

"Formaldehyde, a colorless, pungent-smelling gas, can cause watery eyes, burning sensations in the eyes and throat, nausea, and difficulty in breathing in some humans exposed at elevated levels (above 0.1 parts per million). High concentrations may trigger attacks in people with asthma. There is evidence that some people can develop a sensitivity to formaldehyde. It has also been shown to cause cancer in animals and may cause cancer in humans. Health effects include eye, nose, and throat irritation; wheezing and coughing; fatigue; skin rash; severe allergic reactions. May cause cancer. May also cause other effects listed under "organic gases." EPA's Integrated Risk Information System profile -..."
 
And all these years I thought people wore masks when cutting MDF so they didn't breathe in the little diddy dust particles just because dust makes you cough etc. Maybe all MDF should carry a government health warning.
 
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