The internet effect

garinda said:
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By smut do you mean pornography? So I take it these days you are always looking for smut on line :rolleyes::D
 
kestrelx said:
By smut do you mean pornography? So I take it these days you are always looking for smut on line :rolleyes::D
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No.

When I was thirteen I collected saucy seaside postcards.

It would mean I was searching for them online nowadays, rather than having to physically hunt for them, as I used to do.
 
garinda said:
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When I was thirteen I collected saucy seaside postcards.

It would mean I was searching for them online nowadays, rather than having to physically hunt for them, as I used to do.
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Hey, Garinda .. thought you may have received one of those E-mails that are circulating. Received one the other day with lots on (the one you have posted is there). If you give me your E-mail address, will forward to you. It's part of a collection by Ian Wallis .. you may have already ?
 
kestrelx said:
Yes well it's every where now so I think maybe it's beyond the point of no return. Also the level of communication though you can cover more subjects and have a wider range of people to communicate to how it is over all of lower standard and as it's not face to face you can behave in away that you would not do so if you were face to face!
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My other half has invigilated for the GCSE exams at here local secondary school for the last five or six years and it astounded me when I heard that kids are allowed to take calculators into exams:eek:the only thing we were afforded was logarithms back in my day
 
katex said:
Hey, Garinda .. thought you may have received one of those E-mails that are circulating. Received one the other day with lots on (the one you have posted is there). If you give me your E-mail address, will forward to you. It's part of a collection by Ian Wallis .. you may have already ?
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Ok, thanks, will do.

(He posted, hoping she wasn't about to send him tons of XXX rated spam.)

:D
 
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Or perhaps you lack the imagination to use the internet to enhance Your teaching?

Surely now that so much knowledge is at the click of a button, the teaching could be so much more exciting if only you point them in the right direction?
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What i was trying to convey (and perhaps didn't manage) was that the mere accessability of facts does not equal "knowledge" -that is an acquaintance with facts, truths and principles acquired over time through direct experience or the application of study or investigation, it is a state of "knowing". For example we can read about the symptoms of a disease on a web-site, we acquire the facts but that doesn't make us a doctor, in fact our own GP who notes our symptoms then refers us to a specialist in a specific field -his own knowledge being less than that of a Gynaecologist or Oncologist etc. This conviction that it is enough "to just look something up when you need it" is where the error lies, it takes years of experience and study to reach excellence in any field.
That is what I was trying to get at - we live in a "get rich quick"/"have it all society" and that is reflected in the conviction of a lot of young people that school is a waste of time and there's no need to put in more than the minimum effort in anything they do. I am a great believer in education as the answer to many evils -you may have gathered that already, but when society rewards football players, show-girls or X-Factor winners and judges with massive cheques and flaunted luxury lifestyles what can you expect your average teenager to aspire to -excellence or the easy way out?:thankya:
 
jaysay said:
My other half has invigilated for the GCSE exams at here local secondary school for the last five or six years and it astounded me when I heard that kids are allowed to take calculators into exams:eek:the only thing we were afforded was logarithms back in my day
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I remember getting my first Casio Scientific Calculator back in 1976 (from Wardleworths), it took me through many exams, I still have it and it works perfectly. We had lessons on how to use it correctly. We also had to learn to use a slide-rule. At junior school maths was split into "Mental Arithmetic" and "Mechanical Arithmetic" - do you remember that J? I always remember a fantastic line out of the "Liverbirds" -where Polly (can't remember the surname!) says that whenever they mentioned Mental Arithmetic at school she used to wet her knickers!!:o
By the was,I apologise if i got a bit hot under the collar in my last post but it really gets to me when you see bright young people throwing away opportunities...
 
jaysay said:
My other half has invigilated for the GCSE exams at here local secondary school for the last five or six years and it astounded me when I heard that kids are allowed to take calculators into exams:eek:the only thing we were afforded was logarithms back in my day
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And you were allowed to take the Napier log book in with you on your maths GCE, which in effect was a table of calculations i.e. a rudimentary calculator.

Things move on, e.g...no more latin.. duco, ducis, du..(cue 12yr old snigger).

A calculator is no more or less a tool than the log book, slide rule or abacus.

The internet, like a log book, a calculator, abacus or even a power saw, is just a tool. As long as you are informed how to to use it correctly..it's just as valid
 
Using the internet as a tool shows only one thing...you know how to use the internet.
If that is the skill you are testing then all well and good.
But to have learned something means that there has to be an observable change in behaviour, which can be attributed to something that has been taught....or certainly that was what I was lead to believe in my CGLI Adult Education Cert.
I honestly can't say that the internet would fulfil that criteria......you still interaction with teachers...you can be a long way down the wrong road if you have no-one supervising what you are doing.
 
And going into a maths exam with a log book only shows that you can read not that you can do the math..yet that fulfilled the criteria 40 years ago.

My maths teacher taught me how to use logarithms, I was not expected to do the complex mathematical formula needed to tell me whether COSa was greater than 2xSINb, I looked it up in the log book, like I said todays teachers should inform students how to use the internet, it's no different, it's still falls under the remit of 'teaching' and 'learning'.
 
I've just done a test.

At school I was asked to write an essay on the relationship between the American Civil War, slavery, and the Lancashire cotton industry.

Visits to libraries produved virtually nothing of relevance. Just the odd useful line in an encyclopedia.

Searching online now, using a few key phrases, produced reams of information, that would have made the task much more interesting, and rewarding.

The internet can't replace a teacher, but it must be the most amazing tool for students, in helping with research.
 
What saddened me is after doing a clear out, I offered one of my neighbours (a woman who has custody of her 8, 12, 13 yr old grandchildren ) a National Geograpic world atlas , she said she didn't want it as the kids didn't read books , pointed out it was an atlas , a book of world maps .......response .. "Why do they need maps" .... time to give up/wasting my time ....
Folks will disagree , but my thoughts/when I'm in charge of things , it will be compulsory for every home to have a bookcase containing books of some sort

:mad: :mad:
 
mobertol said:
I remember getting my first Casio Scientific Calculator back in 1976 (from Wardleworths), it took me through many exams, I still have it and it works perfectly. We had lessons on how to use it correctly. We also had to learn to use a slide-rule. At junior school maths was split into "Mental Arithmetic" and "Mechanical Arithmetic" - do you remember that J? I always remember a fantastic line out of the "Liverbirds" -where Polly (can't remember the surname!) says that whenever they mentioned Mental Arithmetic at school she used to wet her knickers!!:o
By the was,I apologise if i got a bit hot under the collar in my last post but it really gets to me when you see bright young people throwing away opportunities...
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Evidently I'm a tad older than you mobertol as it was just plain maths in my day:D and it was Polly James, her mother and father lived in Havelock Street in Ossy, saw her in the Stop and Rest in Ossy, in the seventies, with here parents having.
 
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