The Luton thread
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Why do we keep playing Billy upfront on his own at home? He never gets the service he needs, The team choice today was not the right one. We needed different tactics and players. I was surprised to see Nolan as I thought he was out on loan. He should have started, Sousa would have been the the player to cause them problems with sheer nuisance value. Dan Barlaser has not been that brilliant these last few games(However I hope he not badly injured) I am afraid the game today was a write off when our keeper got red carded. They were not much better than us but took chances, We afforded them too much respect. We desperately need a win and at least a draw to be safe. I am afraid Coley has to brush up on his tactics and team selection.
I'm sorry Super J.C. would NOT know a tactic if it hit him in the Kisser the tactics shoulda been changed at half time, when we are 1 down, and still the chance to get summat from the game.
What an insulting comment to make. You really are the most negative fan ever known. Yes we’re on a bad run but to say that is really embarrassing. Is this the same manager who has won 4 league titles at the club? Did we not win them league titles by using tactics.
JC will have forgotten more about football tactics than you’ll ever know.
Going to keep this short and sweet.
First pen, yes Dimi at fault but ball went out of play before contact.
Second pen - awful header back from Ross. Dimi has to commit.Strikers studs high and up forcing him to try and parry it.
For those saying we should have made rash changes at half time.
You clearly don’t understand football.
We actually started 2nd half on top!
Sousa? Not physical enough for game
Nolan? Was poor playing two leagues below on loan.
Armstrong ran well and was physical but yet again he had no impact as a striker.
Surprised Ross got MOM considering Callum hooked 2 off the line.
Clicker was woeful.
For a player of his technical ability, he has no left foot or end product. Really disappointing.
Barlaser yet again played far too deep.
21 shots played 4.
15 on target played 0.
Story of our season.
Luton didn’t even look all that.
First pen, yes Dimi at fault but ball went out of play before contact.
Second pen - awful header back from Ross. Dimi has to commit.Strikers studs high and up forcing him to try and parry it.
For those saying we should have made rash changes at half time.
You clearly don’t understand football.
We actually started 2nd half on top!
Sousa? Not physical enough for game
Nolan? Was poor playing two leagues below on loan.
Armstrong ran well and was physical but yet again he had no impact as a striker.
Surprised Ross got MOM considering Callum hooked 2 off the line.
Clicker was woeful.
For a player of his technical ability, he has no left foot or end product. Really disappointing.
Barlaser yet again played far too deep.
21 shots played 4.
15 on target played 0.
Story of our season.
Luton didn’t even look all that.
My 10 ps:
- I am of the same mind as Cashy re the first incident. Really stupid back pass by Sean! Don't really believe that was part of JC's game plan, though.
- The stupidity of the back pass does not excuse Eftimov. Embarrassing to say the least. Most refs would have shown him a straight red.
- Cannot really understand why the second warranted a yellow card. But most refs tend to give a yellow every time there is a penalty. Can't understand that part. But since Eftimov probably shouldn't have been there in the first place I can have no real complaints.
- Again that does not excuse Eftimov. Somebody must have told him he had a yellow already. And it was a clumsy and stupid challenge nonetheless. His overall performance must rank among the top ten worst I have seen from from a goalkeeper through a life time of watching football.
- Collins put both hands on Kee's back. If I had been his manager I would have been furious with him. You don't do that inside the penalty area. Of course Kee would go down like a sack of coal when he felt those hands on his back. But I cannot be upset by the lack of a penalty.
- I thought Luton were poor. We would have had a decent chance of a point (I mean 0-0 of course) with a decent goalkeeper. Even though I admit Stanley were even poorer.
- This was a performance best forgotten. Not just Eftimov's. We still have a chance. Plymouth at home will be massive. And while Stanley are in poor shape, so are most of the bottom dozen, Plymouth included. It will be close.
- I and Mr Eftimov share one sentiment I believe. If a Stanley game was to be televised we both wish it had been a different one!
- I am of the same mind as Cashy re the first incident. Really stupid back pass by Sean! Don't really believe that was part of JC's game plan, though.
- The stupidity of the back pass does not excuse Eftimov. Embarrassing to say the least. Most refs would have shown him a straight red.
- Cannot really understand why the second warranted a yellow card. But most refs tend to give a yellow every time there is a penalty. Can't understand that part. But since Eftimov probably shouldn't have been there in the first place I can have no real complaints.
- Again that does not excuse Eftimov. Somebody must have told him he had a yellow already. And it was a clumsy and stupid challenge nonetheless. His overall performance must rank among the top ten worst I have seen from from a goalkeeper through a life time of watching football.
- Collins put both hands on Kee's back. If I had been his manager I would have been furious with him. You don't do that inside the penalty area. Of course Kee would go down like a sack of coal when he felt those hands on his back. But I cannot be upset by the lack of a penalty.
- I thought Luton were poor. We would have had a decent chance of a point (I mean 0-0 of course) with a decent goalkeeper. Even though I admit Stanley were even poorer.
- This was a performance best forgotten. Not just Eftimov's. We still have a chance. Plymouth at home will be massive. And while Stanley are in poor shape, so are most of the bottom dozen, Plymouth included. It will be close.
- I and Mr Eftimov share one sentiment I believe. If a Stanley game was to be televised we both wish it had been a different one!
Well my two pence worth...........
Yes the ref was poor, the pitch was worse........ BUT we were lacking from back to front today and it showed.
Quite what Evtimov was doing I have no idea, agreed with others, he could and probably should have gone after the first incident. Ironically I thought Maxted was brilliant, it could have been a cricket score if it wasn't for him, fair play to Jonny.
We had quite rightly setup for the draw, which obviously was thrown into haywire once Dimi had gone. Pretty gutted for Brown to be honest, yet again no chance to show his quality.
Was Kee even fit ?? He looked MILES off the pace for me personally. Not quite sure what Armstrong/ Smyth/ Zanzala have to do get a start/ more minutes/ any minutes at all.
Only Johnson, Maxted and Sykes for me showed anything like the quality we need to compete in this division. IF we survive then a mass clear out is needed IMO.
Worrying times for sure. Next Saturday is THE game that will define our season.
Yes the ref was poor, the pitch was worse........ BUT we were lacking from back to front today and it showed.
Quite what Evtimov was doing I have no idea, agreed with others, he could and probably should have gone after the first incident. Ironically I thought Maxted was brilliant, it could have been a cricket score if it wasn't for him, fair play to Jonny.
We had quite rightly setup for the draw, which obviously was thrown into haywire once Dimi had gone. Pretty gutted for Brown to be honest, yet again no chance to show his quality.
Was Kee even fit ?? He looked MILES off the pace for me personally. Not quite sure what Armstrong/ Smyth/ Zanzala have to do get a start/ more minutes/ any minutes at all.
Only Johnson, Maxted and Sykes for me showed anything like the quality we need to compete in this division. IF we survive then a mass clear out is needed IMO.
Worrying times for sure. Next Saturday is THE game that will define our season.
On watching the Match on TV , and the close up shots...
One, The second penalty was 60/40 in the striker's favour as our Goalkeeper didn't touch the ball at all , and all Mr Boyeson needed was the evidence ( from some distance away ! ) of the striker being taken out !.
Two. Stanley's dearth of quality strikers was again so plain to see !... although the 10 man situation did call upon them to take more defensive duties !. How many times do we see Billy Kee isolated , ringed by big defenders, and unable to make the right pass ?.
He deserves a medal for persevering through all this, and those supporting him, particularly this afternoon should be appalled when they see their meagre efforts compared with those of the Luton attackers. The shots on goal statistic totally bears this out !.
Defensively, Ross and Mark could not have done more, and receive my accolades !
However, it was the 1 goal down and 10 men on the pitch situation which probably decided the result,. but the maintaining of our League 1 status is now looking extremely shaky because of this fact. Three points from the Plymouth game is now an essential..
But remembering that' necessity is the mother of invention ' .... ( although Hope is said to be the mother of fools !) ..my hope is still that The Reds will invent something special for this fool ! ... and soon !.
KTF... and ON STANLEY !.. ON TO GREATER THINGS !!.
One, The second penalty was 60/40 in the striker's favour as our Goalkeeper didn't touch the ball at all , and all Mr Boyeson needed was the evidence ( from some distance away ! ) of the striker being taken out !.
Two. Stanley's dearth of quality strikers was again so plain to see !... although the 10 man situation did call upon them to take more defensive duties !. How many times do we see Billy Kee isolated , ringed by big defenders, and unable to make the right pass ?.
He deserves a medal for persevering through all this, and those supporting him, particularly this afternoon should be appalled when they see their meagre efforts compared with those of the Luton attackers. The shots on goal statistic totally bears this out !.
Defensively, Ross and Mark could not have done more, and receive my accolades !
However, it was the 1 goal down and 10 men on the pitch situation which probably decided the result,. but the maintaining of our League 1 status is now looking extremely shaky because of this fact. Three points from the Plymouth game is now an essential..
But remembering that' necessity is the mother of invention ' .... ( although Hope is said to be the mother of fools !) ..my hope is still that The Reds will invent something special for this fool ! ... and soon !.
KTF... and ON STANLEY !.. ON TO GREATER THINGS !!.
Couldn't bel
In the second half I couldn't believe donaicen trying to shake the hand of the Luton player as he was going of.What an embarrassment can't believe he's still getting a game get back to Ipswich how poor is he shocking.as for coley just listened to his excuses the pitch saying we outplayed them sorry don't know what game he was watching men against boys not good enough coley think you need to look a bit nearer home.
“as for coley just listened to his excuses the pitch saying we outplayed them sorry don't know what game he was watching ”
I think he was watching the same game as StanleyJosh!
Both Cashman and 28 call it correctly. I’d be interested in MH’s view of the first penalty ( I think he is or was a ref). My understanding is that if the keeper makes no attempt for the ball ( and he didn’t) then it’s a straight red and longer ban (which it should have been)
As for Sousa, apologies if I’m being thick but why would he get criticism, he didn’t play ?
Re Nolon, he played 9 times for Salford on loan including their biggest wins v Orient and Wrexham at new year as holding midfield with no goals conceded. Salford wanted to extend but we recalled him . They then lost 3 games in 4 or 5 from memory. In the short time he was on today he won headers and clattered 2 of their players. Not sure what you were expecting Josh, the game was over ?
I think he was watching the same game as StanleyJosh!
Both Cashman and 28 call it correctly. I’d be interested in MH’s view of the first penalty ( I think he is or was a ref). My understanding is that if the keeper makes no attempt for the ball ( and he didn’t) then it’s a straight red and longer ban (which it should have been)
As for Sousa, apologies if I’m being thick but why would he get criticism, he didn’t play ?
Re Nolon, he played 9 times for Salford on loan including their biggest wins v Orient and Wrexham at new year as holding midfield with no goals conceded. Salford wanted to extend but we recalled him . They then lost 3 games in 4 or 5 from memory. In the short time he was on today he won headers and clattered 2 of their players. Not sure what you were expecting Josh, the game was over ?
RE; the first penalty Simpson, there was a rule change at the start of this season that meant as long as he didn’t deny clear goal scoring opportunity (eg handball on line) a foul in box is not a straight red any more.
As for Sousa/Nolan - apologies, I should have been clearer in my comments.
I was more referring to the people stood by me at the game, who, it seems every time we go 1-0 down, at half time they are calling for drastic changes from Coley (as if completely changing system/team will magically mean we will be better)
I don’t think if we had brought on the players they were hoping for (namely Sousa & Nolan) we would have had any chance of coming back from a goal down at half time. (And thought we actually started the second half brightly and had a few chances (a la clicker....)
I saw Nolan get outplayed by Blackburn’s Under 23s in Feb.
I like him, but he’s not League 1 standard.
That isn’t to say I feel the others are, again just commenting on the stupid comments I’ve heard from people last few weeks.
Go boil yer head its an honest opinion no-one can doubt the achievements J.C. has made they are incredible for a club with our resources, but i am of the opinion hes reached his limit, speak to any rochdale fan and no doubt you will get the same,
What would you do right now then Cashy if you were in charge? (considering contracted, loan, and soon to be out of contract players)
And who would you see fit as his replacement? (Considering resources and budget, so let’s be realistic)
Genuinely interested.
It’s easy to see the negatives, but very rarely have I ever heard someone make a genuine case for improvement.
Well for a start ANY manager should be subject to pressure! thats about the only thing i disagree with andy holt about. i have not the experience to sort it out but J.C, is supposed to have any thing should have been tried from half time but as usual NOTHING.
Well for a start ANY manager should be subject to pressure! thats about the only thing i disagree with andy holt about. i have not the experience to sort it out but J.C, is supposed to have any thing should have been tried from half time but as usual NOTHING.
Think Coley has enough pressure, although ageee Holty is a bit OTT with making a guarantee about his job.
Why change it at half time? We ended 1st half and started 2nd half well.
People around me were saying put 2 on up top and go 3 at that back. IMO I think we would have been torn apart if we played 3 at the back for 45 minutes.
Goal difference could be crucial.
No one on the bench made me think, “yeah, they could change the game for us”
Plus if you can argue about Coleys experience, surely you’d want experienced players playing?
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