The only trouble is Neil these groups are more likely to be funded by the lottery than say Friends of Rhyddings Park, who have to work there socks of in trying and then aren't successful
This isn't racist?
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If the lottery money wasnt awarded the response would most likely be..........
"Is it coz we are black?"
Then that opens a can of worms.
I dont agree with it at all.
Er...the bit which states courses are for 'BME ladies only'
With BME referring to black, and mixed ethnic.
...and you'd support similar groups, that stated they were for white people only?
There are laws which are supposed to prevent this kind of prejudice. Which are clearly failing.
As stated earlier, these sort of groups mean we'll never be an integrated society. As well as fuelling resentment from those who are blatantly excluded because of their race.
This should never be acceptable.
(Apologies to Neil. I pointed out the racism before I'd read you'd later seen it.)
Which is why I don't believe in 'multiculturism' it is just separatist and will never work.
Apologising is a sign of weakness, so I was told by some idiot with no friends and no sense of humour
Apologising is a sign of weakness, so I was told by some idiot with no friends and no sense of humour
I only apologised because I'm nice....and you're a bit slow.
Personally, yes I would if they were targeting a specific minority group. Its the wider community that wouldn't.
Well that's just the sort of stupid, wooly minded liberalism, that has exactly the opposite effect of making sure we are an integrated society.
Name me a minority group that isn't supposedly equal in the eyes of the British law system, that could possibly justify the funding of groups that were exclusive to certain people?
Don't spend too long scrathing your head.
There aren't any.
What exactly IS, an Ethnic Minority?
My ex wife hailed from Southern Ireland and my daughter-in-law is Russian.
Are they 'ethnic minorities'? If they wanted to go on these courses would they be accepted?
Or does Ethnic Minority mean anyone that isn't white?
Well this is the answer I got from a website Less...........
What is a ethnic minority? - True Knowledge
What is a ethnic minority? - True Knowledge
Oooh goody, in that case I qualify, I was born in Cheshire and live in Lancashire, now which of these courses mentioned earlier should I apply for?
Mind you, another snag is sex, still, if I have a word with my Doctor and explain that I feel excluded because of my sex, surely the NHS can waste thousands rectifying that for me?
I haven't been on for a while so I've just seen this.
As far as the Civic Arts Centre is concerned on this - the group have hired the room for the afternoon for this show (I actually thought it was Lancashire County Council's youth service that had hired the room but that's by the by). We are promoting it to anyone and everyone who wants to come and see it - as far as I am concerned the production is for anyone. There are no exclusions allowed at the Civic. So please come along, I'm sure you'll find it illuminating.
Also, as Hyndburn Women's Forum sometimes gets lumped into these discussions. HWF was set up in 1994 by a group of women who called themselves Hyndburn Women's Forum. All the events organised this week are for anyone and everyone - nothing is exclusive. We had one man come to the conference on Monday but we do have a few men coming to see the Virginia Ironside show on Sunday.
At the conference we learnt about how young people (boys as well as girls) are being groomed for the sex trade in our own back yards. We learnt how to protect ourselves if we have to walk around at night and we learnt about setting life goals for ourselves. All of those things would have been just as interesting for a man as a woman.
HWF's role is to organise events to recognise International Women's Day, so naturally it's going to appear to be more focused on events that women might enjoy - BUT it's equally important that men in this country realise what is going on in other countries around the world. On International Women's Day we're not just sat around thinking up ways of excluding men from the party, we're actually acknowledging that over here we have it pretty good compared to women in some countries who are oppressed, abused and threatened simply because they are women.
Oh, and on Friday morning between 11am and 12noon we have a spot of Bollywood Aerobics - men dance as well, so come along.
As far as the Civic Arts Centre is concerned on this - the group have hired the room for the afternoon for this show (I actually thought it was Lancashire County Council's youth service that had hired the room but that's by the by). We are promoting it to anyone and everyone who wants to come and see it - as far as I am concerned the production is for anyone. There are no exclusions allowed at the Civic. So please come along, I'm sure you'll find it illuminating.
Also, as Hyndburn Women's Forum sometimes gets lumped into these discussions. HWF was set up in 1994 by a group of women who called themselves Hyndburn Women's Forum. All the events organised this week are for anyone and everyone - nothing is exclusive. We had one man come to the conference on Monday but we do have a few men coming to see the Virginia Ironside show on Sunday.
At the conference we learnt about how young people (boys as well as girls) are being groomed for the sex trade in our own back yards. We learnt how to protect ourselves if we have to walk around at night and we learnt about setting life goals for ourselves. All of those things would have been just as interesting for a man as a woman.
HWF's role is to organise events to recognise International Women's Day, so naturally it's going to appear to be more focused on events that women might enjoy - BUT it's equally important that men in this country realise what is going on in other countries around the world. On International Women's Day we're not just sat around thinking up ways of excluding men from the party, we're actually acknowledging that over here we have it pretty good compared to women in some countries who are oppressed, abused and threatened simply because they are women.
Oh, and on Friday morning between 11am and 12noon we have a spot of Bollywood Aerobics - men dance as well, so come along.
Should we call you you Lesley from now on?
Even that would be a refreshing change from some of the names I have been called.
Is this another flashmob do? If so. how much will it cost?
Nowhere has it been suggested that any events hosted at the Civic Arts Centre are exclusive to any one group.
However the production Hurried Steps is presented by the publicly funded group Lancashire-wide Network for Ethnic Minority Women, which in it's newsletter excludes people from activities they promote on grounds of race, as well as gender.
The legality of that is very questionable.
Morally it is abhorrent.
However the production Hurried Steps is presented by the publicly funded group Lancashire-wide Network for Ethnic Minority Women, which in it's newsletter excludes people from activities they promote on grounds of race, as well as gender.
The legality of that is very questionable.
Morally it is abhorrent.
So you're happy for the Civic Arts Centre to be used by a group to present a work, who are openly prejudiced against anyone who isn't a black, or minority ethnic woman, i.e. a racist group.
Since there are 'no exclusions allowed at the Civic', would you be happy if a similarly racist white supremacist group wanted to hire the space for one of their events?
This play isn't racist - it's the opposite - it's aim is to foster understanding and to raise awareness of the plight of women in some countries. As I said, as far as I am concerned, this show is for everyone - please come along.
Every request for room hire will be considered individually. As we're an Arts Centre, then I would be questioning any event if it wasn't a play or show and wasn't inclusive.
We're not a venue for political meetings and politics should be left outside. If someone wanted to hire the place for a political rally then I wouldn't let them, whatever the cause. However, if they were putting on a play or show then I would have to consider it on its individual merits.
No one has suggested that it is, or that it's appeal is to only one gender.
However the group that are presenting it are openly racist, in that they organise events that exclude others who aren't black, and minority ethnic women. They are racist because of that fact.
Human rights abuses, in other parts of the world, are not confined to women. To separate any particular group is counterproductive, and divisive.