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Margaret Pilkington said:
Yes, you are right...but the fact that this lady has a six month old baby could possibly have a bearing on her sanity.
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More than likely Margaret, but then we always blame mental instability whenever family members (particularly parents) do things like this. It's easier for us as a society to blame individuals' state of mind, rather than question the so-called 'cornerstone of society'.
 
It is hard for me to accept that a mother. especially one of an ethnnic background would inflict such terrible injuries on her children if she wasn't mentally unbalanced.
It is a very sad state of affairs. We shouldn't judge her without knowing more about what has gone on.
 
Margaret Pilkington said:
It is hard for me to accept that a mother. especially one of an ethnnic background would inflict such terrible injuries on her children if she wasn't mentally unbalanced.
It is a very sad state of affairs. We shouldn't judge her without knowing more about what has gone on.
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I totally agree, Margaret.

I find it hard to accept that a sane person would do this.
 
There is absolutely no doubt that this story will result in a case of diminished responsibility, as it's always these kinds of stories that make the front pages. It's all part of 'the game'.
 
And what game would that be then?
Parents do not murder their children for a game...and we must remember that we are in no position to judge on the limited information that is currently in the public domain.....what happened to 'Innocent, until proved guilty?'
 
Margaret Pilkington said:
And what game would that be then?
Parents do not murder their children for a game.
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Was just thinking that myself.

What game?

We play snakes and ladders, matching pairs and connect 4 with our children.

We don't try to hack them to pieces. :(

We're not at the end of our rope though.
 
Hate to pipe up, but I absolutely hate it when people refer to claims of insanity and diminished responsibility as a game.

She's attacked and killed her own children. IF she claims diminished responsibility, she's still going to have a tarnished reputation and be lucky if she gets to keep the child that survived or live a normal life with it ever again.

Insanity isn't a game either, the sentencing is unpredictable and most people who are genuinely insane still prefer the full crime of murder just for the certainty of when they will be released from prison.

It really does irritate me how people can think these defenses are there to make life easier for criminals, when in reality they're probably more damaging than serving full time for the crime.
 
blazey said:
Hate to pipe up, but I absolutely hate it when people refer to claims of insanity and diminished responsibility as a game.

She's attacked and killed her own children.
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Er...as of this moment she's still being questioned, and has been charged with nothing, nevermind been found guilty of any crime.

First lesson of law, innocent until proven guilty.
 
I was actually referring to the way that the media selectively operates as 'a game', but it doesn't matter now. :)
 
Well, I'm sorry if I misread your intentions Tin Monkey.......I thought you were implying that the murder of children by their parents, who then claimed mental instability, was a game.

And Blazey, this woman could be suffering from a very well recognised condition called 'post natal depression/psychosis' and I would have thought you at least would have had a little more sensitivity to the situation. You disappoint me.
 
Margaret Pilkington said:
Well, I'm sorry if I misread your intentions Tin Monkey.......I thought you were implying that the murder of children by their parents, who then claimed mental instability, was a game.

And Blazey, this woman could be suffering from a very well recognised condition called 'post natal depression/psychosis' and I would have thought you at least would have had a little more sensitivity to the situation. You disappoint me.
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Yes I am fully aware of what she could have been suffering from, my point was against what tin monkey was saying, and that was that the defences of diminished responsibility and insanity are not 'playing the game' or an easy way out of a prison sentence at all.

Yes I made the mistake of suggesting she HAS killed her children, from what I briefly read in the sun on passing glance it was clear that the parents are indeed involved in some way though, and either of them could be suffering from ill health. I was simply annoyed at tin monkeys post. I actually feel sorry for the family, but obviously that doesn't come across when you are reading into what I say as you would prefer it to sound, and we never want me to sound nice and caring do we.
 
Tin Monkey was referring to the media hype. The way the papers immediately jump on a story from the worst angle possible.

It now appears that the father wasn't even in the house when the stabbings took place and yet many people were ready to blame him in the beginning and jumping on an "Asian honour killing" bandwagon because the family are from Sri Lanka.

I was intrigued by mention of the fact that the mother had blood on her back.
 
Blazey, it would good if you could occaisonally show a softer side....one that appears to be less judgmental, and a little more sympathetic to people who are in the throes of what must be a very traumatic situation.....but just be yourself...I can live with that.
 
If this woman was depressed then why hasnt the health visitor picked up on this?
surely she must have sensed something :mad:
 
This is her 3rd child aint it?

Health Visitor will have visited for about a week after the child was born, unless asked to visit longer, so if there is something wrong with the woman, there might not have been when a health visitor was seeing them
 
The lady in question is reported to have little command of english...and the scoring scheme is easy to see through and give the answers that represent good mental health...perhaps the post natal psychoses has only just manifested itself...it isn't always something that comes on as soon as the baby is born.
 
Margaret Pilkington said:
The lady in question is reported to have little command of english...and the scoring scheme is easy to see through and give the answers that represent good mental health...perhaps the post natal psychoses has only just manifested itself...it isn't always something that comes on as soon as the baby is born.
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the edingurgh scale? thats very easy to lie on... there must be a better system they can use.
 
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