Time for Change?

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theresonlyoneaccy

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Simple question really.

This season has been built up to be one of Accrington Stanley's most successful campaigns on the field. However for one reason or another this has been followed through. After 11 years at the helm, 3 of those in League Two now I'm suggesting it's time for Coleman to go.
He has assembled a good squad with a few chops and changes capable of being there or abouts for the play-offs for next season. He's had 2 real attempts at pushing on, if you ignore the first season, and it looks like there hasn't been much change in league position overall.

Anyway, I'm ready to be slated... give me your worst...
 
Im sorry,
but I couldnt disagre more.
IMO, when comparing our squad to the rest of league 2, 3 issues glare out at me.

1. its is smaller
2. it is younger
3. it cost nothing (With the exception of McConville)

Survival is a good achievement in Accrington Stanleys limited circumstance. I say limited because of
1. ground quality and size
2. location (small town alongside 2 premiership clubs who are big ticket discounters)
3. finances which ultimatly means lower wage scales
4. atractiveness to player - lets be honest, we are no bradford city or notts county

What Coleman has and continues to do is amazing.
My biggest fear is Coleman and Bell will grow frustrated with the above circumstances and move on elsewhere to a club with more clout to meet their ambitions.
 
Time for a change,
and who else do you have in line? i agree with dav007 we arnt the atractiveness of clubs, no big ground, own training facilites, big wage budget to spend, but what coleman has achived is nothing sort as a miracle, 11 years, better posistion ever year, promotion to the football league, something which not alot of fans thought would ever happen, brought in some great players, i only been supporting since 06 but craney, roberts, mullin, richardson, etc and now we have the best young squad about, players like winnard, edwards, ryan, grant, turner, also getting the best out of players like symes this season, him and jb are the only men for the job and i hope they have signed the 3 year contract, only way i can see these going is another club higher up, why move sideways.

Long may coley and jb be at the helm of hms stanley
 
DAV007 said:
Im sorry,
but I couldnt disagre more.
IMO, when comparing our squad to the rest of league 2, 3 issues glare out at me.

1. its is smaller
2. it is younger
3. it cost nothing (With the exception of McConville)

Survival is a good achievement in Accrington Stanleys limited circumstance. I say limited because of
1. ground quality and size
2. location (small town alongside 2 premiership clubs who are big ticket discounters)
3. finances which ultimatly means lower wage scales
4. atractiveness to player - lets be honest, we are no bradford city or notts county

What Coleman has and continues to do is amazing.
My biggest fear is Coleman and Bell will grow frustrated with the above circumstances and move on elsewhere to a club with more clout to meet their ambitions.
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Simple as that.

The only thing I'd add is that Coley and Jim are clearly eager to learn in order to satisfy their ambition. If you think that Coley has exhausted his talents, you're wrong. It's not like we're stuck with a League 2 journeyman like Peter Jackson with stale old tactics; we have a duo who will only get better at their profession and I hope they'll perfect it here at Accy.

Since when did bettering the previous season's record for over a decade become sackworthy?

:confused:
 
I thought it was 4 years in the league plus stanley have done far better than anyone in the same situation given money, crowds etc. This is the first year we have had so many games to go and we don't have to panic. As things stand Stanley are not equiped for promotion and much as I would like to see it, it isn't going to happen soon. Coley has done great and to think we can do better is pure fantasy for now.
 
Coleman has done great this season getting us in to a play-off chasing position and geting us into the 4th round of the F.A cup, even when we were one of the favourites for relegation. You cant seriously want him to go???? :(
 
I am not saying it is time for a change but maybe a change of direction, Coley & Jimmy have developed as the Club has grown coming through the Leagues.

They still have a lot to learn and a lot to develop with Players none more so than building for next season.

Maybe a Full Time Coach to work alongside them would help them develop the playing side of things?

But don't kid yourselves that despite Budgets Managers and Coaches or even retiring Pros of Repute would not be interested in Stanley should the position ever became available, we are one of only 92 Leagues Clubs some people would give their hind teeth for a crack at it.
 
Bloody mental to suggest Coley should go if you ask me - what more do you want other than constant improvement ? We are punching above our weight and you are complaining we aren't even higher. Nonsense. The question isn't if it is time for Accrington to part with Coleman but more if it is time for Coleman to part with Accrington. It is only a matter of time before he gets offered a job at a League 1 or Championship club, he is one of the best managers in the football league.
 
Pendle Red said:
I am not saying it is time for a change but maybe a change of direction, Coley & Jimmy have developed as the Club has grown coming through the Leagues.

They still have a lot to learn and a lot to develop with Players none more so than building for next season.

Maybe a Full Time Coach to work alongside them would help them develop the playing side of things?

But don't kid yourselves that despite Budgets Managers and Coaches or even retiring Pros of Repute would not be interested in Stanley should the position ever became available, we are one of only 92 Leagues Clubs some people would give their hind teeth for a crack at it.
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Best post in this thread.
 
shakermaker said:
Simple as that.

The only thing I'd add is that Coley and Jim are clearly eager to learn in order to satisfy their ambition. If you think that Coley has exhausted his talents, you're wrong. It's not like we're stuck with a League 2 journeyman like Peter Jackson with stale old tactics; we have a duo who will only get better at their profession and I hope they'll perfect it here at Accy.

Since when did bettering the previous season's record for over a decade become sackworthy?

:confused:
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He's hardly smashed last season's record! Currently one place above and last season there was minimal improvement.
 
MCR ADIM said:
Time for a change,
and who else do you have in line? i agree with dav007 we arnt the atractiveness of clubs, no big ground, own training facilites, big wage budget to spend, but what coleman has achived is nothing sort as a miracle, 11 years, better posistion ever year, promotion to the football league, something which not alot of fans thought would ever happen, brought in some great players, i only been supporting since 06 but craney, roberts, mullin, richardson, etc and now we have the best young squad about, players like winnard, edwards, ryan, grant, turner, also getting the best out of players like symes this season, him and jb are the only men for the job and i hope they have signed the 3 year contract, only way i can see these going is another club higher up, why move sideways.

Long may coley and jb be at the helm of hms stanley
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Darlington have got an ex-Championship manager in Simon Davey, and I'm sure Stanley is a more attractive proposition than the Quakers.
 
theresonlyoneaccy said:
He's hardly smashed last season's record! Currently one place above and last season there was minimal improvement.
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ACC. STAN. 2008-09 FL-2 46 13 11 22 42 59 50 16/24

14 Accrington Stanley FL-2 41 16 06 19 56 66 54

Smashed, maybe not, but, more points, more goals and better footy - until the last six weeks - all in all, a big improvement... :) :) :)
 
I do really feel for Coley & Jimmy we think we are hurting it must be far worse for them at the moment this is the team they have put their faith in?

Only they will know what is contributing to our poor form at the moment

There is only pride left to play for, nothing to lose by experimenting and changing our positional play and team around to try to work it out and hopefully give them markers for squad strenghthening in the Summer.
 
Think the players are knackered .. its been a long season and ok they had an unforseen break in january when the weather was bad but now having to make up for it.

If you compare to rochdale .. Accrington have played 56 games so far this season - Rochdale have played 46. Accrington have 22 players signed up to the 1st team .. Rochdale have 33 .. plus with everything that went on earlier in the season think thats whats happened .. everybodys knackered and the end of the season probably cant come soon enough .. then they can have a break and rest ..and get rid of any niggling injuries .. etc .. and come back next season ..
 
Admittedly, a return of 12 points from a possible 51 is poor. That said, I'd agree with some posters on here with a modicum of common sense, who cite the small squad, financial constraints and the number of games we've had to play.

However the doubters, who again start banding " it's time for a change of leadership" make me want to reach for a large bucket. Oh so quiet when things are going great, but at the first sign of adversity, they suddenly start harping on about getting somebody else in to replace the men who have worked a minor miracle to get Stanley where they are now.:mad:

Reality check for the dreamboats. Stanley have a very small and (in the majority ) loyal fanbase. That equates to a limited income, equating to a smaller budget than most. That means a smaller squad and in a season like we've had off the field, it's an achievement that, for the first time since the return to the league, we were effectively safe from relegation at the start of March !!!

Yes, this season has fizzled out with all the promise of a damp firework, but the positives for me way, way outweigh the negatives. Yes, today it looked like a few of the players were "going through the motions" so to speak.:(

But I'd probably hasten to add, if you read Coley's notes in the programme today, he probably has a good idea of who stays and who will go in the summer and I'm sure this recent drop in form has probably made his mind up in a few cases. He probably has players in mind who he wants to bring to the Crown and with a more financially stable footing to work on, I for one am confident that he'll improve on this season.

And for all those who have somebody in mind (ala the earlier poster with his mention of Simon Davies at Darlo, who I suspect will probably have a larger budget than Coley to work with next season in the B.S.P. / Conference) How can you speculate who, or for that point, who would not do a better job than Coley with the limited resources we have ???:confused:

To the doubters i'd personally say, Get a grip and get behind Coley. If you want Glory every season follow the rest of the lemmings up the M66 to Manchester.:rolleyes:

I'm all for constructive debate, but to cite such b******t without having the substance to back up the arguement smacks of somebody who has little better to do than gripe or whinge at the first sign of adversity.:enough:
 
carpon said:
Oh so quiet when things are going great, but at the first sign of adversity, they suddenly start harping on about getting somebody else in to replace the men who have worked a minor miracle to get Stanley where they are now.:mad:
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didnt newcastle try that once? and look at what happened to them...


if you bring one bloke in and he does bad will you suggest to get rid of him before he has a chance to get used to everything and change how stanley play. If you do get rid of that guy then you will end up another person with another style of play which the players have to get used to.

why not keep the coleman who actually done well considering we were favourites to go down and then you got all the other factors other have mentioned.
 
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