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Only COMPROMISE from both sides will result in a really strong ASFC....

A empty room, the main players & a BIG BIG padlock?

Would you not agree WM that at this moment in time...the only location likely for this to take place would appear to be on Fantasy Island !...

Agree with your sentiments though!!

'ON STANLEY...ON!!..TO BETTER THINGS !!'
 
Jase, i disagree mate. How long do you give and how many lessons do Dave and Rob require before we accept they are inadequate for the job. To be fair to Dave and Rob, they have been let down by an appauling commercial team. I think the kids name was/is Dan. What has he achieved? Stanley can go through this experience or grow through it. IMO, this is a fantastic opportunity to clear out the deadwood and debt, and start afresh with new staff on a sustainable budget. The current regime are failures and must go if the club enters into new ownership.
 
DAV007 said:
Jase, i disagree mate. How long do you give and how many lessons do Dave and Rob require before we accept they are inadequate for the job. To be fair to Dave and Rob, they have been let down by an appauling commercial team. I think the kids name was/is Dan. What has he achieved? Stanley can go through this experience or grow through it. IMO, this is a fantastic opportunity to clear out the deadwood and debt, and start afresh with new staff on a sustainable budget. The current regime are failures and must go if the club enters into new ownership.
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And so, IMHO, therein lies the problem....

Like Turkeys voting for Xmas
 
Dave and/or Rob needn't have to go. It was never the case and doesn't have to be now. Certainly in the early days we/I was all for working with the club and giving it the tools to go forwards. But as was stated yesterday at the meeting, it would seem that David didn't even understand the deal that was offered.

Anyways, as I reckoned earlier on, the ASSF bid is doomed and as good as over. If David does proceed with the projected borrowing then the deal is done. ASFC avoids the immediate threat and hopes for a big cup draw, or we sell a Bobby Grant or Chris Turner for a large amount that then pays off debts rather than being used to kick on.

As mentioned elsewhere, the ASSF will now need to start looking to the future. Seeing as how we cant/wont be used by the club in the short term future we have the time to start looking at how we evolve and how we utilise all that is good about the club - the fans. It will be my 'special project' so to speak.

viva los Reds
 
And hopefully Robert, we will come out stronger!

Until all the bad stuff came to light, the SOS appeal & our need to rally the town had really really consolidated the support. The players too have responded.
 
I dont think the support has split though has it?

we all have different ideas and opinions but I haven't noticed anybody falling out yet, and these are our darkest days! blitz spirit and all that!

I get the point on the SOS and I do agree, but by the same token many were asking questions right from the off. Those that put into buckets to start with were only ever going to give once, maybe twice. The biggest harm to the appeal came from the club not actually pushing anything or offering their own ideas up earlier, or talking/responding to the public. The wristbands never made it onto the website despite me emailing it in under the 'news' banner (not that I should have needed to).

Anyway, like I said, its time to start looking at the future again now that we all know we are safe.
 
I don't know Mr. O'Neill, but I do know Rob Heys.

Rob is one of the good guys, and his considerable talents should not be underestimated.

Can anyone on this forum give any example of when Rob might have acted otherwise than in the best interests of Accrington Stanley Football Club?

No, I thought not.

Rob is a truly decent man and is held in high regard by those who know him or have dealt with him (Paul Fletcher of BBC Sport considers him to be exceptional).

He is also someone who helped to rein in Eric's abrasive management style during Stanley's Annus Mirabilis and made the Club so popular.

When I first met Rob Heys I warmed to him immediately, but while I considered him to be knowledgeable about football I was concerned that he was naive in PR, management and accountancy.

How things have changed!

Rob is the proverbial swan, seen by everyone as gliding around as-calm-as-you-like while beneath the water his feet are moving at a prodigious rate.

Robert Heys is by far the best man to be in charge of Accrington Stanley's future.

And I suspect that all the protagonists and pretenders to the Stanley Throne know it.
 
Henry Morton said:
When I first met Rob Heys I warmed to him immediately, but while I considered him to be knowledgeable about football I was concerned that he was naive in PR, management and accountancy.

How things have changed!
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They've changed??? So why are things in the mess they are now then? All 3 areas that concerned you originally are the same ones that are in a mess right now!!!
 
maccawozzagod said:
I dont think the support has split though has it?

we all have different ideas and opinions but I haven't noticed anybody falling out yet, and these are our darkest days! blitz spirit and all that!

I get the point on the SOS and I do agree, but by the same token many were asking questions right from the off. Those that put into buckets to start with were only ever going to give once, maybe twice. The biggest harm to the appeal came from the club not actually pushing anything or offering their own ideas up earlier, or talking/responding to the public. The wristbands never made it onto the website despite me emailing it in under the 'news' banner (not that I should have needed to).

Anyway, like I said, its time to start looking at the future again now that we all know we are safe.
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How do u know we are safe? Thing is we ALL dont know then ? :confused:
 
Shurm said:
:confused:

Has it been announced or did I miss something ?
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lancsdave said:
Fact or sarcasm :confused:
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Stanleymad said:
How do u know we are safe? Thing is we ALL dont know then ?
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Redraine said:
Come on, Rob - spill the beans. This messageboard is going to give me a heart attack.
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Willie Miller said:
But they were confident of success both in the tax bill & the future.
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katei77 said:
i do believe that ASFC will be alive in NOV 09
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the evidence would certainly point to us being safe.

Dave O'Neil is not interested in our (ASSF) money

The board see no reason to deal with us.

There is no sign of panic at the top

Events are planned for November rather than October

Katie, Willie Miller and Shurm have all spoke directly to The Don and have been somewhat placated.

Do I need to carry on running around trying to fundraise? probably yes, as it means that either the directors will have to put in less money or we will have to borrow less money. I'm not happy about it for what has gone on and what will go on, but we live to fight another day and that is what is important.

still worried for the future though.
 
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Tin Monkey said:
They've changed??? So why are things in the mess they are now then? All 3 areas that concerned you originally are the same ones that are in a mess right now!!!
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TM, have you ever worked for Eric Whalley?
I have.

Rob has only recently emerged from years of Eric's version of management, and the virtual bruises will still be healing.

Rob could have left, but he stayed to try to put things right for the Club and the Supporters - and I think that he is essential to the future of Accrington football.

I respect your opinion but I disagree with it.
 
I would certainly agree with you there, Mr Morton. I wouldn't know where to start in assessing his management or accountancy skills, as I'm just a simple soul who stands on the Clayton End and I know nothing of such things. However, you're spot on when you say he's a "truly decent man". This was brought home to me a few years ago when I paid to have a memorial plaque for my old fella fixed to one of the seats in the Main Stand. A year or so down the line I went to look for it and discovered that it had mysteriously vanished. I emailed Rob more in hope than expectation - he immediately embarked on a search on the stadium, located it somewhere or other, had it refixed, took a photo and emailed it to me, all in the space of two days. Obviously it shouldn't have been removed in the first place, but he took the trouble to sort it personally - in other words, he went the extra mile. A diamond geezer!
 
maccawozzagod said:
the evidence would certainly point to us being safe.

Dave O'Neil is not interested in our (ASSF) money

The board see no reason to deal with us.

There is no sign of panic at the top

Events are planned for November rather than October

Katie, Willie Miller and Shurm have all spoke directly to The Don and have been somewhat placated.

Do I need to carry on running around trying to fundraise? probably yes, as it means that either the directors will have to put in less money or we will have to borrow less money. I'm not happy about it for what has gone on and what will go on, but we live to fight another day and that is what is important.

still worried for the future though.
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He just told me he'd put all the money raised on the lotto and come up a winner :D I'm just worried because he still hasn't announced it to everyone. :eek:
 
Wynonie Harris said:
I would certainly agree with you there, Mr Morton. I wouldn't know where to start in assessing his management or accountancy skills, as I'm just a simple soul who stands on the Clayton End and I know nothing of such things. However, you're spot on when you say he's a "truly decent man". This was brought home to me a few years ago when I paid to have a memorial plaque for my old fella fixed to one of the seats in the Main Stand. A year or so down the line I went to look for it and discovered that it had mysteriously vanished. I emailed Rob more in hope than expectation - he immediately embarked on a search on the stadium, located it somewhere or other, had it refixed, took a photo and emailed it to me, all in the space of two days. Obviously it shouldn't have been removed in the first place, but he took the trouble to sort it personally - in other words, he went the extra mile. A diamond geezer!
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I agree too....

he has grown with the club, from his time as a terrace legend, to his days looking after accystan.co.uk to his admin duties & then chief exec....

He would be on the terrace with us if he wasn't employed. I will be sad if he isn't with Stanley 2010
 
maccawozzagod said:
the evidence would certainly point to us being safe.

Dave O'Neil is not interested in our (ASSF) money

The board see no reason to deal with us.

There is no sign of panic at the top

Events are planned for November rather than October

Katie, Willie Miller and Shurm have all spoke directly to The Don and have been somewhat placated.

Do I need to carry on running around trying to fundraise? probably yes, as it means that either the directors will have to put in less money or we will have to borrow less money. I'm not happy about it for what has gone on and what will go on, but we live to fight another day and that is what is important.

still worried for the future though.
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Well if that is all you have it points to either,
1) The club have an arrangement to pay off only part of the tax bill (unlikely) or,
2) They are going to take us into administration.

OR DO YOU KNOW WHERE THE MISSING K200+ IS COMING FROM - SOORY TO SHOUT.
 
sounds like a plan to me Shurm.

personally I'd stick it all on Rochdale to beat us and score 4 goals in doing so!

hang on a minute, we tried that one ..
 
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