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Not sure Larry, ive never been Craney's biggest fan but he has had a decent impact in the 2 games ive seen him.

Jacobsen I think will go back to Oldham, he obviously hasnt played alot of football.

Bateson appears to have dropped off the face of the earth ?
 
According to the Fishy Site looks like we are after extending the loan deals for Jacobson & Craney.

I think Joe gives a balance to the back four with being naturally left footed and again first team appearances will only add to his stability & the clubs at the back.

Craney is adding something as per first half against Chesterfield but it's a tough call for me between him & Rayzor for that spot.

I have been impressed with Putterill especially to come back from such a career threatening injury and has looked good and added a little balance again with being naturally left sided whilst bossing a few games along the way.

If nothing else it gives as fans something to talk & debate about:)
 
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Pendle Red said:
I think Joe gives a balance to the back four with being naturally left footed and again first team appearances will only add to his stability & the clubs at the back.
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I'd agree on the theory behind that, and hoped the same would happen when we signed him, but I don't think it's worked in practice. I've only seen two performances of Joe's, but in the first against Port Vale he was absent and in the second against Chesterfield, he had a very poor game. I've no doubt that his mistakes and anonymity have been due to a lack in match practice rather than a lack of quality, but we aren't in a position to donate starting spots in order to help players through tough patches in their careers.

I'd like to see the squad trimmed throughout January, with loan players sent back to their parent clubs and squad players either utilised or released.

Long - sent back, replaced by Owens.
Craney - sent back, replaced by Putterill.
Jacobson - sent back, replaced by Bateson (with Winnard resuming his left-back position).
Turner - loaned out for match practice.
 
Pendle Red said:
I think Joe gives a balance to the back four with being naturally left footed
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What good is it him being left footed when he keeps using it to boot the ball to the opposition, and to send free kicks lobbed to their goalie?? I could do that with my left foot.:D Doesn't seem to use it to close the winger down either IMHO.
 
shakermaker said:
I'd agree on the theory behind that, and hoped the same would happen when we signed him, but I don't think it's worked in practice. I've only seen two performances of Joe's, but in the first against Port Vale he was absent and in the second against Chesterfield, he had a very poor game. I've no doubt that his mistakes and anonymity have been due to a lack in match practice rather than a lack of quality, but we aren't in a position to donate starting spots in order to help players through tough patches in their careers.

I'd like to see the squad trimmed throughout January, with loan players sent back to their parent clubs and squad players either utilised or released.

Long - sent back, replaced by Owens.
Craney - sent back, replaced by Putterill.
Jacobson - sent back, replaced by Bateson (with Winnard resuming his left-back position).
Turner - loaned out for match practice.
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Hear, bloody hear, Shaker!
 
Redraine said:
What good is it him being left footed when he keeps using it to boot the ball to the opposition, and to send free kicks lobbed to their goalie?? I could do that with my left foot.:D Doesn't seem to use it to close the winger down either IMHO.
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Fair point's as Shaker has said maybe we are not in a position to let people get up to speed & match fitness, but in saying that to help justify my point by sticking with Long after a shaky start to life at the Crown Ground we are now reaping the benefits;)
 
Pendle Red said:
Fair point's as Shaker has said maybe we are not in a position to let people get up to speed & match fitness, but in saying that to help justify my point by sticking with Long after a shaky start to life at the Crown Ground we are now reaping the benefits;)
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I'd agree; Kevin Long's performances have much improved since his first appearance and he has given much to the team in the way of defensive stability. However he is prone to moments of madness and this has cost the team both goals and points. Even in his more stable performances of recent times (and please correct me if I'm wrong), his shoddy marking granted Morecambe their equaliser and his poor decision making gifted Chesterfield their first goal. Now that Andy Owens is fit, I'd much rather see him fill the role of the tall centre half alongside Edwards.
 
Andy Owens again is a bit untried with only fleeting cameo roles so far, so again could be viewed as a gamble and unsettling?

I think the defence as a whole this season have all endured their own personal nightmares at times.

But still think the key is stability.

I agree in principal with your earlier point that the squad as a whole needs to be utilised more even it is only as subs to change the shape of games whether going more attack or defensive minded depending on the game situation.
 
Redraine and shakermaker have got it spot on, at this level fullbacks defend first, cover the cb,s ,and get out wide to stop crosses coming in, get the ball and play it simple to the ball players,most people want the fullbacks to be overlapping and attacking, this is a bonus but not a necessity,
 
Regarding Owens, I have been hoping for a while He gets a chance , but after talking to a mate who saw him play not long back and suggested He was more a sweeper,than a long type cb , maybe that's why he's had 2 wait his turn with Phil being so consistent
 
football19 said:
Redraine and shakermaker have got it spot on, at this level fullbacks defend first, cover the cb,s ,and get out wide to stop crosses coming in, get the ball and play it simple to the ball players,most people want the fullbacks to be overlapping and attacking, this is a bonus but not a necessity,
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That I understand but when you have a five man midfield you don't need your full backs setting off on mazey runs if you want flying wing backs then surely you go with five at the back?
 
true pendle red, but acci play a flat back 4, so the fullbacks jobs are as my previous post,most teams play this, only morecambe played wing backs , as I recall
 
smudgie said:
Not sure Larry, ive never been Craney's biggest fan but he has had a decent impact in the 2 games ive seen him.

Jacobsen I think will go back to Oldham, he obviously hasnt played alot of football.

Bateson appears to have dropped off the face of the earth ?
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Bateson must have fallen out with the main man, Mr C, can't see any other reason for his disappearance.
 
Me too,can't understand Owens not at least being on the bench,as how many games do we come under the cosh late on and need aerial reinforcement!!
 
But not another


Accrington have extended defender Joe Jacobson's loan deal until 29 January, with a view to extending his stay for the remainder of the season. The 24-year-old, who joined Stanley from Oldham, has made four appearances since arriving at the Crown Ground.
But manager John Coleman has missed out on signing midfielder Ian Craney.
The Liverpool-born player, who has had three previous spells with Accrington, has made three appearances since rejoining the club on loan.
 
Jason Price has gone back to Carlisle after his loan spell at Bradford. He's a big, awkward customer with a bit of pace who gave our defenders a hard time in the air and on the floor at their place recently. Just what we need if Coley is ignoring Rory. Assuming, that is, he ever wants to play 2 big uns up front?
 
may have a point there redraine, like last year,when the weather kicks in and pitches become heavy, they went more direct and fought for the second ball,Although i think Gornell is adapting his game to suit with jimmy,razor and charlie picking up the second ball
 
Some interesting offerings on team formations and players to fit the roles. I like a true left footer at left back. Jacobson has a great left foot and also liooks quite compose most of the time. I do agree that so far some of his passing has at times been alittle wayward but I think he needs a run of games to improve and to allow his confidence to grow. I don't think he has played all that reularly since he was last on loan with us. He is the sort of player, (so far a "nearly player"), that Coley and Jimmy can take under their wing and turn into a really good player. I hope he gets a decent run with us.
Ian Craney seems to play his best for Stanley and again I am sure this is down to the way Coley and Jimmy have a knack of building players up. He(Craney) really hasn't produced the goods with any other team since leaving us the first time. Of course money is an issue as to wether he can return full time, on loan or for a season loan. If you were to ask him who he really wants to play for I am sure he would say Stanley/Coley and Jimmy!!!
I like the 442 system but with two true wingers, (remeber Hoskins/ Grimmy..Prendergast/Payne and Calcutt to name a few), who attack the opposing full backs on their outside, thus getting to the goal line and creating chances in the penalty box by pulling the ball back, which takes the opposing keeper out of play and allows midfielders like Craney,Procter and Ryan to power into the box running onto a ball coming towards them rather than running away from them.
 
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