Ubuntu 8.04

Retlaw

Retlaw

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Some months ago Ian pursuaded me to try Linux, obtained a free version on a CD. Ian showed me the programm on his laptop, said it was just like windoze only more stable. Tried it for now for the 3rd time, this times its got past all the barriers and installed itself within windoze.

What good is it, can't find any of the programs I'm used to using.
I use Photoshop Pro every day, and windoze explorer to view and print he results. Tried all the buttons on the tool bar.Can't access any thing, so I ask again what good is it ?.

Retlaw.
 
Applications>Graphics>Gimp takes some getting used too but it does the same trick.
None of the programs are the same but you can find equivalents
 
"Photoshop Pro" ? Never heard of it.

Photoshop CS runs perfectly on Ubuntu using Wine.
 
yes, as other have said, stop thinking I need to use Phtoshop and start thinking I need to edit a picture

There is far more to good software than a single program for the job. Competition breeds improvements.
 
Sorry fellas
But at my age its not easy to learn new programs, especially having got used to photoshop pro and win explore, for what I do. I was under the impression, that I would be able to continue using my existing programs.

Can I import my programs into ubuntu, without having to go for all the other stuff, like wine, susie and a load of others. Yes or No.


Retlaw.
 
Retlaw said:
Sorry fellas
But at my age its not easy to learn new programs, especially having got used to photoshop pro and win explore, for what I do. I was under the impression, that I would be able to continue using my existing programs.

Can I import my programs into ubuntu, without having to go for all the other stuff, like wine, susie and a load of others. Yes or No.


Retlaw.
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In a word - No
But you could run them through wine or a VM (Virtual Machine) having Linux and Windows open together
 
Neil said:
What is the point of installing Linux because it is so good and then running WIndows applications in it :confused::D
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entwisi said:
yes, as other have said, stop thinking I need to use Phtoshop and start thinking I need to edit a picture

There is far more to good software than a single program for the job. Competition breeds improvements.
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The adobe suite is actually built with mac it's ideal "home"

And whereas in most other areas I would agree with you linux can often produce software which is of a equal or better standard to that used on other OS's it is a simple fact that the software in the Adobe Creative Suite is well ahead of any competition.
 
Retlaw said:
Sorry fellas
But at my age its not easy to learn new programs, especially having got used to photoshop pro and win explore, for what I do. I was under the impression, that I would be able to continue using my existing programs.

Can I import my programs into ubuntu, without having to go for all the other stuff, like wine, susie and a load of others. Yes or No.


Retlaw.
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Nope, I did tell you that programs wouldn't work.
Windows programmes aren't the be all and end all, there are some absolutely stunning apps under Linux and you don't need to worry about security anything like Windows.

I'd agree adobe are quite good generally however they aren't cheap. A legit copy of Photoshop is horrendeously expensive.
 
I had this discussion with a sales chap in toys r us. He was trying to convince me that an eeepc with Linux on would be a good buy for my wife's friend for her son to use for his homework. Even when I explained that his school use Windows XP and Microsoft Office 2003 he still said it was a good machine for his homework. I told him that he would be learning with one application at school then have to learn another one at home - talk about a blinkered Linux biased opinion.
 
Neil said:
I had this discussion with a sales chap in toys r us. He was trying to convince me that an eeepc with Linux on would be a good buy for my wife's friend for her son to use for his homework. Even when I explained that his school use Windows XP and Microsoft Office 2003 he still said it was a good machine for his homework. I told him that he would be learning with one application at school then have to learn another one at home - talk about a blinkered Linux biased opinion.
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Openoffice is fully compatible with M$ office o_O
 
Besides eeePC's are about as easy to type with as a cat.

Retlaw most people who desperately need to use the exact same application use Wine to run it with no problems. However I when on Windows I actually use the Linux equivalent to photoshop as K.S.H pointed out, GIMP. It's completely free and no, not as feature rich as photoshop, but it does everything that I require from a picture editing point of view.
 
Err, I'm pretty sure Powerpoint is compatible to some degree, Access has no direct comparison but BTH who would want a compatible as its a damned awful DB.

However, if you do some serious stuff in spreedsheets you usually end up using VBA( Visual Basic for Applications ) to some degree which isn't compatible in OO.

Then you get that age old fly in the ointment that is Publisher, why anyone uses it is a complete mystery to me as hardly anyone you want to send the files to has it and its not easy to convert to any other format. It wouldn't be so bad if there was a Publisher viewer like there is a powerpoint viewer.
 
entwisi said:
Err, I'm pretty sure Powerpoint is compatible to some degree, Access has no direct comparison but BTH who would want a compatible as its a damned awful DB.

However, if you do some serious stuff in spreedsheets you usually end up using VBA( Visual Basic for Applications ) to some degree which isn't compatible in OO.

Then you get that age old fly in the ointment that is Publisher, why anyone uses it is a complete mystery to me as hardly anyone you want to send the files to has it and its not easy to convert to any other format. It wouldn't be so bad if there was a Publisher viewer like there is a powerpoint viewer.
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All good points Ian and why I believe Linux will not take off at home until it starts to be more mainstream in the workplace. When that happens schools will start to use it and so kids will need it at home. That will be years of in my opinion - if ever.
 
TBH Even in the business world that I see on a daily basis, few people (apart from a few geeks aside) have any knowledge on how to use ANY Office software 'properly'.

e.g.

people who think that carriage returns and spaces should be used to pad things out

Page breaks are a thing of wonder

embedded objects are a mystical black art

I have yet to meet anyone else who understands how to use a pivot table

VBA is for geeks, it makes my life much easier and I'm often asked by self proclaimed spreadsheet gurus "how do you do that!"

for everyday peole Open Office is absolutely fine.

Inetrtia is the key here and the more eeePCs out there the better.
 
entwisi said:
Inetrtia is the key here and the more eeePCs out there the better.
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Especially ones running Windows XP :D

I quite fancy a Samsung NC10, with Xp of course. I think I would dual boot it with Linux as it would be a good excuse to learn about Linux and I do feel the need to.
 
I run Ubuntu on my computer whilst my wife runs Windows on hers. She may mock the fact it takes me a little longer to get it started up but once the two are running it's no competition.

The point made about Powerpoint is a good one, because that piece of software is one of the few that Microsoft can legitimately claim to be ahead of the curve on. I all other respects OpenOffice holds up more than adequately, as do a number of other alternatives.

I do a lot of audio work on our machines, and having Audacity able to run of Windows and Linux makes life very easy for me, mainly because the audio hardware in the wife's computer is a bit better than mine.

Whilst photoshop has become a standard in the same way as Office (i.e. not always the best but the one that crops up the most) there are good alternatives out there and to be honest GIMP doesn't take a lot of effort to learn (I genuinely find it much easier to work with than photoshop).

However what worries me is this statement...

Even when I explained that his school use Windows XP and Microsoft Office 2003 he still said it was a good machine for his homework. I told him that he would be learning with one application at school then have to learn another one at home - talk about a blinkered Linux biased opinion.
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So, we should be teaching our children specifically to use one OS and one piece of software for every job? I've taught IT and suggested a number of Open-Source / Freeware alternatives to software that parents would otherwise have to buy and the parents loved me for it whilst the kids adapted quickly. We were a hairs breadth away from installing Linux on the school network as well (held up only by an IT Tech who didn't want to leave the comfort zone).

I've grown up with computers, we were taught not just on BBC compatibles at school but also Spectrums and Commodores. That should continue today and wherever possible kids should be encouraged to use a variety of different systems.

For the record, I'm no Windows hater. Whilst I may dislike some of MS's practices I use Windows, Linux and Mac OS happily both on a personal and professional level and use Ubuntu at home because I consider it to be the most stable and effective solution for my needs. If I was a big gamer though, I'd choose Windows for obvious reasons.
 
i would have no problem with my kids learning several os's but when they use windows only at school i think it is essential at home
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