agree with you, one of the main providers is an australian company who have failed in other countries and needs to keep its shareholders happy so more money going out the country doesnt make sense
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since Public sector employees are paid through the Public purse its the Private (Tax Paying) employees who are paying these union dues.
something for you to note , the "taxes" paid by Pubic employees are only re-cycled £s collected by taxation that have been previously contributed by folks who create wealth .
If public sector employees were not paid from the public purse, who would be responsible for paying them
Maybe the public sector should be privatised, then the private corporations could out source the jobs overseas
I'm not denying the need for public sector employees, what gets my goat is that private employees pay taxes to employee people who then use their union slush funds for political activism . ie supporting there left wing agendas.
No problem with public employees having the vote , but do complain about left wing ideologies being pushed/
proselytized in what should be a independant place of employment
No problem with public employees having the vote , but do complain about left wing ideologies being pushed/
proselytized in what should be a independant place of employment
Pete Seeger: Talking Union Lyrics
Songwriters: Millard Lampell;Lee Hays;Pete Seeger
Songwriters: Millard Lampell;Lee Hays;Pete Seeger
If you want higher wages, let me tell you what to do;
You got to talk to the workers in the shop with you;
You got to build you a union, got to make it strong,
But if you all stick together, now, 'twont be long.
You'll get shorter hours,
Better working conditions.
Vacations with pay,
Take your kids to the seashore.
It ain't quite this simple, so I better explain
Just why you got to ride on the union train;
'Cause if you wait for the boss to raise your pay,
We'll all be waiting till Judgment Day;
We'll all he buried - gone to Heaven -
Saint Peter'll be the straw boss then.
Now, you know you're underpaid, hut the boss says you ain't;
He speeds up the work till you're 'bout to faint,
You may he down and out, but you ain't beaten,
Pass out a leaflet and call a meetin'
Talk it over - speak your mind -
Decide to do something about it.
'Course, the boss may persuade some poor damn fool
To go to your meeting and act like a stool;
But you can always tell a stool, though - that's a fact;
He's got a yellow streak running down his back;
He doesn't have to stool - he'll always make a good living
On what he takes out of blind men's cups.
You got a union now; you're sitting pretty;
Put some of the boys on the steering committee.
The boss won't listen when one man squawks.
But he's got to listen when the union talks.
He better -
He'll be mighty lonely one of these days.
Suppose they're working you so hard it's just outrageous,
They're paying you all starvation wages;
You go to the boss, and the boss would yell,
"Before I'd raise your pay I'd see you all in Hell."
Well, he's puffing a big see-gar and feeling mighty slick,
He thinks he's got your union licked.
He looks out the window, and what does he see
But a thousand pickets, and they all agree
He's a bastard - unfair - slave driver -
Bet he beats his own wife.
Now, boy, you've come to the hardest time;
The boss will try to bust your picket line.
He'll call out the police, the National Guard;
They'll tell you it's a crime to have a union card.
They'll raid your meeting, hit you on the head.
Call every one of you a goddamn Red -
Unpatriotic - Moscow agents -
Bomb throwers, even the kids.
But out in Detroit here's what they found,
And out in Frisco here's what they found,
And out in Pittsburgh here's what they found,
And down in Bethlehem here's what they found,
That if you don't let Red-baiting break you up,
If you don't let stool pigeons break you up,
If you don't let vigilantes break you up,
And if you don't let race hatred break you up -
You'll win. What I mean,
Take it easy - but take it!
I'm not denying the need for public sector employees, what gets my goat is that private employees pay taxes to employee people who then use their union slush funds for political activism . ie supporting there left wing agendas.
No problem with public employees having the vote , but do complain about left wing ideologies being pushed/
proselytized in what should be a independant place of employment
Of course unions will be left-leaning with left wing agendas. And the wealthy, and big business in general, with their right-wing agendas, will donate money to right wing parties. It's the name of the game. Or, at least, how the game is played. In Canada, the unions stand solid behind the New Democratic Party, although individual members vote for other parties.
By the way, there is a chance, according to the polls, that the New Democrats may get enough seats in next week's general election, to form a minority government ... or, at least, lead Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition. I wonder how that will go down in Washington
Is this an American thing?.. the public employees in this country include the Police, Nurses, Doctors .. are these people to be stero-typed as left wing?... one thing is for certain when these "workers" unions begin to hold strike ballots this country should take notice ... the present government is probaly the weakest we have had since the 70's .. I've got a feeling those in public service will very soon have to stand up to this governments destruction of the NHS, our defence and the basic safety of it's citizens.. and they have only been in power for a year..I'm not denying the need for public sector employees, what gets my goat is that private employees pay taxes to employee people who then use their union slush funds for political activism . ie supporting there left wing agendas.
No problem with public employees having the vote , but do complain about left wing ideologies being pushed/
proselytized in what should be a independant place of employment
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Seems like 13So much has been privatised, but has it really beneffited the non-shareholders? There's no real national control over our gas and leccy bills.
true the billions the gas and electric shareholders have made would have staved off cuts to essential services ie closing down of ambulance stations, fire stations ,airforce,army,navy etc..
Considering the Tories did so many things wrong why didn't Labour put them right, after all they did have quite a long time to redress the balance, just forget how long it was now
Considering the Tories did so many things wrong why didn't Labour put them right, after all they did have quite a long time to redress the balance, just forget how long it was now
You wouldn't forget if you spent more time on, online bingo, 'Unlucky for some...'
Ya but if I use those forbidden words the whole of Accy Web descends on me like a ton of bricks, well Ken Moss anywayYou wouldn't forget if you spent more time on, online bingo, 'Unlucky for some...'
i agree labour didnt go far enough to create an infrastructure integrated transport system reclaim british gas,electric water etc if we did the profits could have been invested in our infrastrucure which would have strenghtened our economy tenfold by capping energy prices for industry etc to make british industry more competitive in the world market.this is where our ideoligies differ competiveness doesnt need to be ripping off the british worker of his/her rights..Considering the Tories did so many things wrong why didn't Labour put them right, after all they did have quite a long time to redress the balance, just forget how long it was now
You really don't get it do you ? The Unions at their inception were true to their goals of protecting the work force from being used, abused & hung out to dry by greedy industrialists, that was then this is now. Since the sixties & seventies the Unions have been so far removed from their original intent that they are just as bad, if not worse than the "Greedy Industrials" who they were set up to protect the workforce against !
The modern Union is more akin to a capitalist business than a workers champion, not only do they threaten production & stability with their antics, they denigrate those they claim to help. Using extortion & threats to get their way whether it be against a company or their own members, it appears they inflict more harm than good whenever they get involved.
Have a good look at these "defenders of the oppressed", when they call for action they're fine, it's the mugs who down tools & strike who lose out in the long run, the lads & lasses on the picket lines get sacked by their firms, go without wages while those at the top are lapping it up, you won't see them sharing the deprivations of the "Foot Soldiers". Choose any major strike action you like from the 20th Century, Dockers, Miners, Bin men, who were the ones making the sacrifices & suffering ?
The Unions of today are no longer relevant to their heritage & stated aims & as such are now just self serving entities a socialist/ labour jobs for the boys clique. Still (if you feel that they're doing all they can for you ?) well carry on paying your subs & hope that when you need them they really will be there for you, but I wouldn't be so sure.
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Your like the Manc down London you both live in cloud cockoo land
Good post Dave, My father was always a member of the Union, in fact when I was very young I actually went to meetings with him, they were held somewhere on Cannon Street Accrington but can't remember where now. He had an accident at work, and asked the Union to take up his case, after weeks of uming and haing they said they would, I actually went with my father to see the Union Rep for this are a chap called Ken Edmondson, was maintenance Joiner at Highams on factory bottom, I distinctly remember the old fella tell Mr Edmondson exactly where he could stick his union card and on what shelf
A great post DinG, you have got it totally correct - do any of the Trade Union leaders refuse their fatcat salaries when the rank and file of the Union goes on strike at their bidding?
i think you need a ballot before you go on strike
Cmonstanley
That is what I call a rebuttal, pure genius.
So do you have nothing to say about the huge salaries and perks your precious Union leaders get...
That said I am in BALPA, not a union as such....
That is what I call a rebuttal, pure genius.
So do you have nothing to say about the huge salaries and perks your precious Union leaders get...
That said I am in BALPA, not a union as such....
He never has much to say when it comes to trying to justify his comments BGCmonstanley
That is what I call a rebuttal, pure genius.
So do you have nothing to say about the huge salaries and perks your precious Union leaders get...
That said I am in BALPA, not a union as such....