War memorials

The only possible flaw in the story could be that the photo was not taken from his body, because he has no known grave hence the Arras Memorial commemoration. That is unless he was killed in action and the photo was taken from his body by his mates, then the troops had to retreat and leave him.
In the news article the letter from the officer say he was killed by shell fire, they would have buried him behind the lines, this happened to 1000's of soldiers. Many of those graves were destroyed in subsequent battles, especially in March/April 1918. His mates would have handed his possessions to his officer, for them to be returned to his next of kin, the address of which would be written in his Small Book. Went to
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Carrying on from Went to. Ran out of time again.

Went to Accy Library this aft checking the 1914 Burgess Rolls, to see if he lived near his parents in 1914, couldn't find him, unfortunately there is no 1914 for Ossy, I was hoping he might have lived near his parents, just over the border. It also says his name is on the U.M.Church Roll of Honour, can't find his name on that either.
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If anyone is interested the story is as follows. My mother had two photos, the first of two soldiers, one soldier sat down and one stood up behind him outside a building in France. The photo has a hole in the centre and a stain around the outside. On the back my mother had wrote " found on Jim Pilkingtons body after he was killed" and she told me the hole was thought to be a bullet/ or shrapnel hole and the stain could be blood.
If you could send me a decent scan of that photo, theres a chance I could identify them, quite a number of men from Greater Accrington served in the Scottish Rifles in WW1, one of them was.
Pte. 14268. Joe Pilkington.
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Retlaw said:
Carrying on from Went to. Ran out of time again.

Went to Accy Library this aft checking the 1914 Burgess Rolls, to see if he lived near his parents in 1914, couldn't find him, unfortunately there is no 1914 for Ossy, I was hoping he might have lived near his parents, just over the border. It also says his name is on the U.M.Church Roll of Honour, can't find his name on that either.
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Walter...where would the UM Church roll of honour be?

Phil
 
Karateman said:
Walter...where would the UM Church roll of honour be?

Phil
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Have'nt a clue, its now over 25 years since Bill Turner & I started collecting names from Rolls of Honour, did the church merge with another, quite a few have over the years. Could be one that Bill rescued, and its in Accy Library.

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A mate of mine collates information on WMs & RoH's for a national organisation. I will send his details to Retlaw. also to Karateman by PM and get his OK to put it on this forum. Are we talking about the United Methodists or does UM mean summat else?
 
Bob Dobson said:
A mate of mine collates information on WMs & RoH's for a national organisation. I will send his details to Retlaw. also to Karateman by PM and get his OK to put it on this forum. Are we talking about the United Methodists or does UM mean summat else?
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What about all the names that are missing from WM's & RoH's, there are 158 names missing from Hyndburns WM's, Accringtons has 11 double entries, even the Common Wealth War Graves have names missing.
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My mate, Mike Coyle ,has checked the National Register of WMs and found ;- there isn't one locally containing the words United Methodist. Of known WMs, there are Hr Antley Meths (lost); Abbey St Wesleyans (lost) Spring Hlil Meths (lost -a query on this loss) Union St Meths (lost) Cambridge St Meths is in situ Whalley Rd Primitive is in the library. Contact Mike on [email protected]
 
Bob Dobson said:
My mate, Mike Coyle ,has checked the National Register of WMs and found ;- there isn't one locally containing the words United Methodist. Of known WMs, there are Hr Antley Meths (lost); Abbey St Wesleyans (lost) Spring Hlil Meths (lost -a query on this loss) Union St Meths (lost) Cambridge St Meths is in situ Whalley Rd Primitive is in the library. Contact Mike on [email protected]
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The actual memorial may be lost, but Bill and I collected all the names from all known Memorials & Rolls of Honour years ago.
You can inlude in the list of missing Royds St Baptists stolen,
Chricst Church, lost (I made them a new one) St Anne's Church Cobham Rd, (I've provided information for a new one)
There were also numerous Clubs, Pubs, Schools, workplaces, Rolls of Honour, and Memorials, we collected the names off every thing we could think of. There must have been a R-O-H for the UMC church in Ossy, I have a list of names.
Retlaw
 
Bob Dobson said:
A mate of mine collates information on WMs & RoH's for a national organisation. I will send his details to Retlaw. also to Karateman by PM and get his OK to put it on this forum. Are we talking about the United Methodists or does UM mean summat else?
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The newspaper cutting says he was a member of the United Methodists church Moscow Mill st Osw, and is on the roll of honour there. So I was wondering if it had been "saved", parden the pun, when the church was demolished. Surely something so important and poignant to the people of Ossy and Accy wouldn't have been destroyed.....

Phil
 
Karateman said:
The newspaper cutting says he was a member of the United Methodists church Moscow Mill st Osw, and is on the roll of honour there. So I was wondering if it had been "saved", parden the pun, when the church was demolished. Surely something so important and poignant to the people of Ossy and Accy wouldn't have been destroyed.....

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Until Bill Turner & I started rescueing these Rolls of Honour, you'd be surprised at the number that had been lost or stolen. Some people were surprised that we wanted to take them away. As I said, luckily we collected most of the names over the last 25 years, they are now in DBase 4, over 15000 entries, a heck of a lot are duplicated names, because some men appeared on as many as four Rolls of Honour, or Memorials. A lot of newspaper reports mentioned that a man was on a Roll of Honour, yet he wasn't.When Bill first started researching the Pals in the early 1980's, very few knew much about them, it took a lot of work digging out the information, people grew up little realising that the old man who lived in their street, had fought in one of the bloodiest battles ever seen. WW1 July 1916 & March 1918.

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Retlaw said:
Until Bill Turner & I started rescueing these Rolls of Honour, you'd be surprised at the number that had been lost or stolen. Some people were surprised that we wanted to take them away. As I said, luckily we collected most of the names over the last 25 years, they are now in DBase 4, over 15000 entries, a heck of a lot are duplicated names, because some men appeared on as many as four Rolls of Honour, or Memorials. A lot of newspaper reports mentioned that a man was on a Roll of Honour, yet he wasn't.When Bill first started researching the Pals in the early 1980's, very few knew much about them, it took a lot of work digging out the information, people grew up little realising that the old man who lived in their street, had fought in one of the bloodiest battles ever seen. WW1 July 1916 & March 1918.

Retlaw.
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What did you do before you used the Internet Walter, was it all footslogging
 
jaysay said:
What did you do before you used the Internet Walter, was it all footslogging
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Yes, meticulously written into note books, and on reference cards. Bill & I travelled all over the place.
Blackburn Library, Burnley Library, Chorley Library, Preston Record Office, Kew Public Record Office, and you made sure you could read what you had written, before you left, its a long trip back if you can't read one anothers writing.
 
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Yes, meticulously written into note books, and on reference cards. Bill & I travelled all over the place.
Blackburn Library, Burnley Library, Chorley Library, Preston Record Office, Kew Public Record Office, and you made sure you could read what you had written, before you left, its a long trip back if you can't read one anothers writing.
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Well I can remember you showing me some of your records a while ago Walter, it was just fascinating to see the hard work that you and Bill put into this task, certainly a worthwhile job
 
Karateman said:
So was Jim on the roll of Honour ie on your list of names Walter?

Phil
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He's not in the list of names, several men were reported in the newspapers, at the time, as being members of a church or chapel, & that their name is on their roll of honour, yet their names have not been found on those rolls.
Retlaw.
 
Spent two hours this afternoon in the store room at Accy Library, and the United Methodist Chapel R-o-H, Moscow Mill St, is not there, so it looks like it was not amongst those rescued.

Retlaw.
 
Retlaw said:
Spent two hours this afternoon in the store room at Accy Library, and the United Methodist Chapel R-o-H, Moscow Mill St, is not there, so it looks like it was not amongst those rescued.

Retlaw.
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What a shame.....you would think something like a roll of honour would be the first thing to be saved...

Phil
 
Karateman said:
What a shame.....you would think something like a roll of honour would be the first thing to be saved...

Phil
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Until Bill Turner wrote his books on the Accrington Pals, & poeple in other towns started to write books on their Pals Battalions, very few people had any interest in those Rolls of Honour & Memorials, it wasn't until the late 1990's that people started to take an interest.
By then it was too late, many Schools, Church, Chapels, Clubs etc had been closed or demolished.
Its only because a few, up & down the country, with similar interests in WW1, like Bill & I, that so many names are still known.

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Walter, you and bill are to be congratulated then....well done, and thanks for all your help in my search....

Phil
 
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