Work 'til you drop....!
- Thread starter Margaret Pilkington
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I'll just ring up and claim to be asian.
just watching hard talk and they got onto pensions
apparently its all OUR fault theres no money for pensions because people dont save enough money through their working years
i find this a little bit rich coming from a government that has made more tax increases than any other party that has been in power despite prommising NO tax increases
maybe if we got taxed less we could actualy have some money to save for our later years and i dont just mean on our wages , it seems that no matter where you go in the world you can buy things cheaper than in the uk
apparently its all OUR fault theres no money for pensions because people dont save enough money through their working years
i find this a little bit rich coming from a government that has made more tax increases than any other party that has been in power despite prommising NO tax increases
maybe if we got taxed less we could actualy have some money to save for our later years and i dont just mean on our wages , it seems that no matter where you go in the world you can buy things cheaper than in the uk
There's no way I'm working until I'm 67........ Some jobs just cannot be done safely after the age of 60. I'm lucky in that I have paid into an NHS pension scheme since I was 19, so by the time I retire it should be a decent pension..... Not as decent as police pensions, but passable non the less.
The problem that we have now is that the population of the UK has changed over the last few decades.
1)The birth rate dropped, (especially evident in the 80's) but there has been a drop since the introduction of contraception. This means that we have fewer young people, therefore fewer workers paying into the system.
2) People are living longer, the natural pre NHS killers TB, Childbirth, Infections etc. no longer pose much threat to life and are treatable for most people, therefore people who would have normally died younger are living longer and have to be supported in old age.
3) We have more people getting away with not working (immigrants included). It's high time that the scroungers were weeded out and made to work. Benefits should not be given to anyone for more than 6 months, unless they are genuinely sick and under the care of a specialist. You have no idea how many people I've come across on incapacity for depression and have never seen a psychiatrist!!!!!! There are plenty of jobs out there, why else would we have to import people from Eastern Europe to do them???? Is it that us Brits consider some jobs to be too menial???
The problem that we have now is that the population of the UK has changed over the last few decades.
1)The birth rate dropped, (especially evident in the 80's) but there has been a drop since the introduction of contraception. This means that we have fewer young people, therefore fewer workers paying into the system.
2) People are living longer, the natural pre NHS killers TB, Childbirth, Infections etc. no longer pose much threat to life and are treatable for most people, therefore people who would have normally died younger are living longer and have to be supported in old age.
3) We have more people getting away with not working (immigrants included). It's high time that the scroungers were weeded out and made to work. Benefits should not be given to anyone for more than 6 months, unless they are genuinely sick and under the care of a specialist. You have no idea how many people I've come across on incapacity for depression and have never seen a psychiatrist!!!!!! There are plenty of jobs out there, why else would we have to import people from Eastern Europe to do them???? Is it that us Brits consider some jobs to be too menial???
I did a presentation on this in politics and I think they came to some sort of agreement whereby public sector workers (or maybe anyone whos currently in the pension scheme, not sure) can take advantage of the current rules although any new workers would have to take up the 67 years old pension when it was implemented..
something to that effect, its a load of rubbish if you ask me.
(My presentation was mainly on UNISON so I didn't go into that much detail, but thats what I gathered above
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something to that effect, its a load of rubbish if you ask me.
(My presentation was mainly on UNISON so I didn't go into that much detail, but thats what I gathered above
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I am surprised that this one passed without comment; apparently the Post Office have just asked the regulator to agree an increase in postage charges to cover the massive shortfall in the postal workers pension fund (£400M approx). Postmen will still be allowed to retire at 60, their Union has insisted, and you and I will have the priviledge of paying for it every time we post a letter.
At 68 this proposed new retirement age will not affect me, unless they make it retrospective but I sympathise with all those who will be affected.
I read in this and other forums posts people complaining, quite rightly, about the level of taxation that we are burdened with. However, what we should be campaigning against isn’t so much against the level of taxation but HOW THOSE TAXES ARE SPENT.
Billions upon billions are wasted on, among other things, multiple layers of unnecessary bureaucracy. We have an ID card system being foisted on us the cost of which would practically solve the NHS problems overnight if it was abandoned. Computer systems for the DSS, or whatever it is called nowadays, that didn’t work and more money has to be poured into the cyber hole. The list is endless.
If you, as the family bread winner, spent the bulk of your earnings in the pub, bookie etc. leaving your family with not enough to exist on, you would quite rightly be condemned for doing so. That is exactly what this and previous governments have done to us the UK family.
Complain about taxes and the retirement age if you must but complain even louder about how your taxes are being spent.
I read in this and other forums posts people complaining, quite rightly, about the level of taxation that we are burdened with. However, what we should be campaigning against isn’t so much against the level of taxation but HOW THOSE TAXES ARE SPENT.
Billions upon billions are wasted on, among other things, multiple layers of unnecessary bureaucracy. We have an ID card system being foisted on us the cost of which would practically solve the NHS problems overnight if it was abandoned. Computer systems for the DSS, or whatever it is called nowadays, that didn’t work and more money has to be poured into the cyber hole. The list is endless.
If you, as the family bread winner, spent the bulk of your earnings in the pub, bookie etc. leaving your family with not enough to exist on, you would quite rightly be condemned for doing so. That is exactly what this and previous governments have done to us the UK family.
Complain about taxes and the retirement age if you must but complain even louder about how your taxes are being spent.
If i remember rightly or understood the Sky News report on this there will also be an increase in Pension Payouts of roughly 28% a week????
Erm' Jambutty was that just some sort of O.A.P. ploy to be able to say, "I'm 68 you know You wouldn't think it would you?". If you are now 68 then obviously even if it was introduced that retirement was taken to 67 IT WON'T AFFECT YOU!jambutty said:
I think if you read a few more of the threads on here you would find there are quite a few people that do complain and in a very loud and articulate manner, as proof of this I'm sure AB will have plenty more to say in this very thread.
P.S. Kill the frog in your Avator he looks too wrinkled even for someone your age!
Hum lets see now i think that for the person who maybe a librarien or other equivelent should work til they are 67 but the person who works their guts out like my daddiboo (he is an asphalter) should retire on a good pension at an early age.
What i am trying to say is it should depend on the job they do it gets me how there can be men who work 65 hours a week and slogg their guts out eg: labourers, brickies, asphalters, binmen and so on and yet they get paid pitence for the hardest jobs never complaining!
and on the other hand you get mr Smith who works as a manager in a 9-5 job who barely even gets his hands dirty and can't stand it if he has to lift his fingers gets paid £ks.
surely the man who works the hardest should be paid the most!
You may think i am wrong but i see daddiboo's hands covered in blisters on blisters and burns on burns day in and day out and i know that by the hour he earns less than me and he never complains about it.
Daddiboo and i know that if he had to work until the new age of pension he would never collect it.
That is why i think it is wrong i dont expect you all to agree with me though.
What i am trying to say is it should depend on the job they do it gets me how there can be men who work 65 hours a week and slogg their guts out eg: labourers, brickies, asphalters, binmen and so on and yet they get paid pitence for the hardest jobs never complaining!
and on the other hand you get mr Smith who works as a manager in a 9-5 job who barely even gets his hands dirty and can't stand it if he has to lift his fingers gets paid £ks.
surely the man who works the hardest should be paid the most!
You may think i am wrong but i see daddiboo's hands covered in blisters on blisters and burns on burns day in and day out and i know that by the hour he earns less than me and he never complains about it.
Daddiboo and i know that if he had to work until the new age of pension he would never collect it.
That is why i think it is wrong i dont expect you all to agree with me though.
MUMMIBOO said:
On the contrary, Mummiboo. I wholeheartedly agree. In my opinion it is the pen-pushers who should be at the back of the queue when it comes to pay and pensions, along with those who think that they have some sort of divine right to decide how I should live my life. As well as the idiots in Parliament and County and Town Halls across the country, who, if it were not for folk like your dad, would have to sit and spout their nonsense in the open air.
My father fought for King and Empire in the jungles of Burma during WWII, which ruined his health. But he continued to work and pay Tax and NI despite that. He was not permitted to claim anything in disability benefits despite being afflicted with severe angina. It galled him to see wave after wave of immigrants come into the country and turn up at the DSS to claim benefits which were denied him and a pension he knew he would not live to enjoy. He lived just two months into his sixty fifth year.
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At one time the Lord of the Manor dictated how people lived and died, Here we are in the 21c and we are heading back to those medievial days with a new bunch of suited "Barons" is that why all those soldiers died for their country? An imegrant gets a bonaza on arriving here, our pensioners get a right reaming where is the logic and caring for ones own in that.
I don't think the retirement age relates to just men......I think that they are hoping to make women work until 67 too.......so that is an extra seven years.
The jobs where you can sit on your BTM...well, it may just be possible to continue until 67......I retired at 55 from nursing and I can tell you... it is a physical job and one that is stressful.....I would also ask you whether you would be happy with some 67 yr old arthritic nurse looking after you when you have just had a heart attack? Talk about dying in harness.
I would also like to say that over the years I have worked and contributed to my pension.....nobody is GIVING me anything......I EARNED the bloody thing...and I am still paying tax to keep the idle workshy in wide screen TV's and PSP2's.
The jobs where you can sit on your BTM...well, it may just be possible to continue until 67......I retired at 55 from nursing and I can tell you... it is a physical job and one that is stressful.....I would also ask you whether you would be happy with some 67 yr old arthritic nurse looking after you when you have just had a heart attack? Talk about dying in harness.
I would also like to say that over the years I have worked and contributed to my pension.....nobody is GIVING me anything......I EARNED the bloody thing...and I am still paying tax to keep the idle workshy in wide screen TV's and PSP2's.
Got to agree the retirement age should be based on your job.
As for the "cared for workshy" then when people retire due to the wear and tear of the job they are in the "workshy" should be forced to take some of these jobs. Then they could feel what we go through and what its like to be paying taxes so their kind can slob about all day!!!!!
As for the "cared for workshy" then when people retire due to the wear and tear of the job they are in the "workshy" should be forced to take some of these jobs. Then they could feel what we go through and what its like to be paying taxes so their kind can slob about all day!!!!!
I could be persuaded to accept a raising of the retirement age, if that age applied equally to everyone - men and women, and if the pension was payable only on the achievement of a minimum number of years of contributions, say twenty five. I do not hold with handouts to those who have never done a tap in their lives or handouts to immigrants on the make.
MUMMIBOO said:
My job is tertiary, however it requires a lot of skill and training in order to do it.(I'm currently able to program in over 6 languages, can script in three more, I design, build, and test sytems over distributed computing for an industry that handles billions of pounds a day) Why should my retirement be compromised because I do a job that not everyone could do. It takes a certain mindset to be able to do it. I may not be physically tired when I get home but I can surely be mentally drained. I do have respect for those who work in physical jobs but please don't think that their work is somehow superior. It takes a whole lot of people to make this world go round and without the order and planning labourers would rarely do an efficient job. Likewise how would a builder know what to build without an architect sitting on his arse and drawing the plans.
Ian