Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1055791)

Wish someone could explain to me,what or how can yeh have a "Virgin Birth"?:confused:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1055801)

What makes me smile more than anything is this thing that Muslim martyrs believe, that killing themselves in the name of Allah, the reward is 72 virgins and Rivers of honey, that should tell any would be candidates its a bit of a misnomer especially the 72 virgins bit:D

Originally Posted by JCB (Post 1055855)

I don't think anyone can explain it to you , Cashman .

By demonstration I can explain to you how a creature from the sea and vegetables out of the earth can become a plate of fish and chips with mushy peas .

It will take some time and patience for someone to explain to me how by the click of a button this post within an instant is going to be able to be read throughout most of the world . My technology skills and scientific knowledge are so poor that it will take a very patient and skillful teacher to explain it to me , but I think that it can be done .

As for the Virgin Birth of Jesus , we are in a totally different realm which is outside of our normal contexts of space and time . And there is so much that has to be presupposed before a start can be made in explaining it , and the explanation will be in a language more akin to poetry than prose . Jesus said : " I am the truth . " If that basic presupposition is not accepted , then any explanation is not going to be possible .

In the words of C.S. Lewis : " A man who said the sort of things Jesus said , well this man is the Son of God , or else a madman , or something worse . You must make your choice . "

So it comes down to one's own convictions , and many within Christianity accept much of what they see as the truth of Jesus , but they will argue about things such as the Virgin Birth , certain miracles etc. So it can be complicated or for some quite simple . I envy the latter . I am one who has to question everything , who believes an element of agnosticism is no bad thing , and it can be a struggle . But in the end I keep coming back to certain convictions and make the choice to believe . That's when the real battle begins because I have then to live by the challenges my beliefs put before me , or be a hypocrite .

Originally Posted by JCB (Post 1055855)

I don't think anyone can explain it to you , Cashman .


So it comes down to one's own convictions , and many within Christianity accept much of what they see as the truth of Jesus , but they will argue about things such as the Virgin Birth , certain miracles etc. So it can be complicated or for some quite simple . I envy the latter . I am one who has to question everything , who believes an element of agnosticism is no bad thing , and it can be a struggle . But in the end I keep coming back to certain convictions and make the choice to believe . That's when the real battle begins because I have then to live by the challenges my beliefs put before me , or be a hypocrite .

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1055873)

I just don't believe it! Why bother having a birth at all? If god sent down his only "son" then why bother coming through a womans body? Why not just manifest with out that hassle of sitting in a womb for 9 months or what ever length of time he was supposed to be in it for?

You can try and explain this from a scientific point of view if you can seriously believe this or just accept the concept is ridiculous.

It is easy to explain how fish and chips got to be fish and chips - as it is to explain the "so-called" virgin birth.

Fact is when Millions of people believe in a load of fantasy then you get these people blowing themselves up and doing nasty things to others in the name of their "illusionary" gods.

Originally Posted by westendlass (Post 1055836)

Wii, After watching the Wigan clip of David Icke I think I'm now a Belieber !!

Originally Posted by Retlaw (Post 1055857)

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1055877)

One word......Faith.......believing the unbelievable(which, those who have no faith, will refer to as fantasy).
Man is arrogant to think he can explain away everything by scientific methods.......faith defies science.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1055801)

What makes me smile more than anything is this thing that Muslim martyrs believe, that killing themselves in the name of Allah, the reward is 72 virgins and Rivers of honey, that should tell any would be candidates its a bit of a misnomer especially the 72 virgins bit:D

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1055873)

I just don't believe it! Why bother having a birth at all? If god sent down his only "son" then why bother coming through a womans body? Why not just manifest with out that hassle of sitting in a womb for 9 months or what ever length of time he was supposed to be in it for?

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1055873)

Fact is when Millions of people believe in a load of fantasy then you get these people blowing themselves up and doing nasty things to others in the name of their "illusionary" gods.

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1055829)

There is a trend amongst younger men to prefer older women (cougars) who can teach them the ropes.

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1055829)

There is a trend amongst younger men to prefer older women (cougars) who can teach them the ropes.

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1055877)

One word......Faith.......believing the unbelievable(which, those who have no faith, will refer to as fantasy).
Man is arrogant to think he can explain away everything by scientific methods.......faith defies science.

Originally Posted by Restless (Post 1055939)

Not trying to tell us something (or advertising?) :eek: :p



I disagree. IMO Everything can be explained by science.

Originally Posted by Less (Post 1055942)

O.K. Mr. Science Geek Explain this one:-

How come Jaysay breaks every spell checker he uses?
:confused:

Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 1055909)

To give us the pleasure of spending loadsamoney once a year on useless tat and masses of food to celebrate his birthday then we can all be in debt for the rest of the year before we start again. See, God invented the credit crunch to keep him self amused.

Originally Posted by Less (Post 1055942)

O.K. Mr. Science Geek Explain this one:-

How come Jaysay breaks every spell checker he uses?
:confused:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1056021)

There's no need to go into debt at Christmas, live within your means instead of keeping up with the Jones, I've had used a Credit Card for over 25 years and I've never paid one penny interest in that time, because I only use it as a convenience purposes and not buying something I can't afford at the time of buying. Think I had a good teacher in my Mother really, she didn't believe in debt either, there was no never, never in out home when I was growing up and there's never been any in my home either.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1055801)

What makes me smile more than anything is this thing that Muslim martyrs believe, that killing themselves in the name of Allah, the reward is 72 virgins and Rivers of honey, that should tell any would be candidates its a bit of a misnomer especially the 72 virgins bit:D

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 1056021)

There's no need to go into debt at Christmas, live within your means instead of keeping up with the Jones, I've had used a Credit Card for over 25 years and I've never paid one penny interest in that time, because I only use it as a convenience purposes and not buying something I can't afford at the time of buying. Think I had a good teacher in my Mother really, she didn't believe in debt either, there was no never, never in out home when I was growing up and there's never been any in my home either.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1056147)

Eric mate if summats working well n someone tosses it to get the latest version, That constitutes a knobhead in my book.;)

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1056147)

Eric mate if summats working well n someone tosses it to get the latest version, That constitutes a knobhead in my book.;)

Originally Posted by Guinness (Post 1055738)

“Religion has convinced people that there's an invisible man ... living in the sky. Who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn't want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer, and suffer, and burn, and scream, until the end of time. But he loves you. He loves you. He loves you and he needs money.”
― George Carlin

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1056274)

Disagree it aint irrational thinking to protect yer job.;)

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1056276)

Do you remember your R.E. teacher? Mine was called Mr Ben! :)

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1056277)

Didn't have one, was a catholic at a prod school. so we were kept out of assembly n such stuff.:)

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1056277)

Didn't have one, was a catholic at a prod school. so we were kept out of assembly n such stuff.:)

Originally Posted by DtheP47 (Post 1056281)

Yeah never knew what you lot got upto while we were a hymning and a praying ;)

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1056282)

We were in that classroom that was stepped, wi the art teacher who wasn't exactly ugly, beats hymning n praying.:D Though on occasions Flash Gordon would take us.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1056277)

so we were kept out .:)

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 1056311)

Which then set the tone for the rest of your days? ;)

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 1056311)

Which then set the tone for the rest of your days? ;)

Originally Posted by Less (Post 1056316)

No, he moved up to gate-crashing,

Then,

Took his finals in being thrown out.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1056318)

And passed wi flying colours.:D

Originally Posted by Less (Post 1056322)

With no remission.

Sorry,

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1056282)

We were in that classroom that was stepped, wi the art teacher who wasn't exactly ugly,

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1056277)

Didn't have one, was a catholic at a prod school. so we were kept out of assembly n such stuff.:)

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 1056704)

I don't recall our assembly being that religious - not very much at all! ;)

Originally Posted by Less (Post 1056727)

Probably the drug's...

:D

Originally Posted by Less (Post 1056727)

Probably the drug's...

:D

Originally Posted by DtheP47 (Post 1057756)

Weekend reading**

The author observes that the least religious societies, such as Scandinavia, are the healthiest, most equitable and the least violent but they also tend to have the lowest birth rates with the consequence that they are likely to be out bred by the more devout nations, which have more crime, more infant deaths and less social mobility.

** The Serpents Promise: The Bible Retold as Science by Steve Jones