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Does anyone know of a butcher or supermarket selling Halal meat (specifically chicken) in the Clayton/Rishton area? Thanks
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Kinda like fish and chips in a newspaper, eh.;) |
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I called into a petrol station, on Burnley Road today,
(no names mentioned, as I don't want the politically correct police giving me a call), but as well as the fuel, for which I originally stopped off, I bought a packet of liquorice and Blackcurrant sweets that were classed as Halal (come on, how can you cut the throat of a live blackcurrant). Your's as ever, be happy, Taddy. |
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I believe Asda and Tesco sell halal meat, look for the letters HMA (Halal Monitoring Authority) on the packaging.
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Two Hash Browns and Two Eggs, (fried in the fat of the sausage and Bacon). :alright::alright: A more than happy Taddy. |
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What! No black puddings and fried bread! |
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BTW thanks, everyone, for the replies. I'll try Tesco in Great Harwood later.
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For those of us that enjoy food we follow the Chinese philosophy, I'll eat anything with legs except the table.[emoji4] |
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By the way, my good lady is down town at this very moment purchasing some (lean),coloured skinned puddings, (I'm not fond of the fatty ones).:(:(. Your's, Taddy |
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I've had a bit of a lucky escape in that the "Jacob's join" for which this was necessary is not now happening. I thought halal meat was just slaughtered, hung and butchered with prayers playing in the background. I didn't know that the animal was killed without being stunned. I won't be offering to cook in the future. What's galling is that many supermarkets are supplying halal meat without labeling it as such, just because it's cheaper that way. |
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Some Halal accreditors allow stunning, there was something in the Telegraph about it with the Nandos opening in Blackburn.
" Cllr Mulla, a former Blackburn with Darwen Mayor, phoned Nando’s head of customer engagement, David Manly to warn him the London-based Halal Food Authority accreditation used by the company’s suppliers was unacceptable to the LCM. The HFA allows the stunning of chickens before slaughter, which Cllr Mulla and his organisation believe fails to meet the strict criteria of Islamic law. The LCM insist on accreditation and inspection by the Leicester-based Halal Monitoring Committee which forbids it. " Muslim bosses spark halal row over new Blackburn Nando's restaurant (From Lancashire Telegraph) |
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If I was contributing to a Jacobs join which had members who needed halal food....I would take crudités and dips.
I have to say that when I worked at QPH we provided a bit of a feast over the Christmas period.....and though food acceptable to Muslims was available, many of the docs would eat anything and everything. OK this is more than a decade ago.....maybe Muslims are more devout now. |
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Just go to brown street cash and carry... Best place for it imho
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My own findings from a very short trial at work with our products shows that adding the Halal symbol puts off more people than it attracts.
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We were in Blackburn Market last Sept & there's a scoff corner with cafes/snack bars & the like. There was a "Greeks" selling meatballs in sauce, looked really nice too, about to order a couple of portions, looked around at the clientèle then looked again at the menu, top of the list, not overly largely written "Halal meat used". We went to the Butchers over the way & grabbed a warm home made jumbo Sossy roll & a couple o' slices of "Gala pie" instead. |
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Please read this statement from Asda and don't post internet spam rubbish on the forum Online rumours about Asda meat with product code HMA |
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I flew back from Israel last week, the inflight snack was a Salmon and Cream Cheese bagel (very nice it was too) I was intrigued to see that packaging had this Kosher logo/stamp.
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Guy at work thinks the 3 main symbols is dal.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dal |
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I prefer the ones with big gobs of fat in 'em ... heavily laced with hot mustard.:alright: |
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And black pudding is currently being touted as a superfood.....so if it floats your boat.....fill yer boots.
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http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/b...p;d=1330729746 Here's one I scoffed previously! ;) |
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As for their statement, if HMA is a product code, why is the same code on different meat products i.e. Beef, chicken and lamb, but not on pork products? And why is the same lettering on Tesco products? JBx |
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Watched a video of how animals are treat in some British slaughter houses before slaughter. Sheep falling into a room off a conveyor belt which would bring the term Double Standards to some of the participants of this thread.
Also saw a video where a halal slaughterhouse used machines to mass slaughter the 'halal way' which I find odd considering it ritualistic |
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Most of us pay a butcher to save us from that guilty feeling of having killed and gutted an animal, so much easier when we buy a chunk wrapped in cling film no matter how it went to slaughter. |
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Once went in an abattoir. I almost went vegetarian but I'm afraid I enjoyed a nice piece of sirloin too much.
At least they were stunned and unconscious. I would never knowingly eat halal meat. I will look at the packaging a lot more carefully in future. |
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...It must be a cut throat business. Seriously though,theres a element of cruelty in all slaughter....I'd say,the same sinister things happen in all the 'slaughter houses' it's best not to think about it if you enjoy a good steak. |
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Illogical & unconscionable. |
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What indeed is humane? |
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This however doesn't detract from the fact that I know in x-years down the line those delightful little piggies, will be even more delightfully resting on my breakfast plate reincarnated as Sossys & bacon. But the difference is, prior to them being a hangover cure they've apparently had a pretty good time of their short little porky lives. Then compare that to a Sow in a pen as is more common here in Europe, caged in a space not much more than 3x3 mtrs, with her litter suckling away but no place to gaily romp freely in open pastures to proverbially "Wallow like a pig in shiite!". Admittedly a rather basic comparison I know but it will do to highlight my point, the inevitable outcome is unaltered but for what it's worth, to my mind at least, option nr.1, seems a damned sight more humane wouldn't you agree? |
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The steward at that time used to put on a pan of black puddings and mushy peas; The lads would compete to see who could eat their puddings with the most Colemans mustard on. Many a pint was used to wash them down, one or two units of alcohol a day ? (Bah Humbug). This smiley sums up eating black puddings with plenty of "Hot", mustard. :p:p:p. Stay happy as always, Yours Taddy. |
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Nobody seems to mention shechita/kosher meat... for how much the Jews and Muslims hate each other they seem to have so much in common.
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I'd say there would also a equivalent amount of evidence to support that the halal slaughter procedure is just as 'humane' as the standard. |
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There were a whole raft of regulations which were strenuously enforced. The animals were stunned before slaughter and they were kept calm. Animals who are fearful release hormones which make for tough meat. Official vets are employed by slaughterhouses to ensure humane standards of kill are maintained.....and to ensure animal welfare in the period prior to the slaughter. (My neice is married to one of these offical vets) Kosher slaughter was also performed at this establishment and this was also rigorously regulated. Halal slaughter(and Kosher too) is NOT humane......there is no stunning of the animal. Yes, I do care......I do not wish to eat halal meat of any descripton....I believe that I should be told if the meat I am about to buy is Halal.....this givs me the choice of whether to buy or not......in my case, it would be NOT. I fully understand how meat gets to my plate and I accept that, as I eat meat. If I felt differently I would not choose to eat meat. |
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Talking of meat and meat products, I have been informed that two local police officer's have been diagnosed with Swine Flu thanks to the help of one of their snout's. :hehetable. Taddy.
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I don't know if it's irony or paradox ... and really don't give a rat's ass ... but many Canadian hunters are conservationists.
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Ethical, organic, safe: the other side of halal food | Life and style | The Guardian Extract: "In truth, 88% of Britain's halal meat comes from animals that have been stunned before slaughter, but the 12% that isn't generates controversy, even among Muslims. Of Britain's two most prominent halal certification boards, the Halal Food Authority allows stunning, while the Halal Monitoring Committee bans it, on grounds that stuns can sometimes kill the animals before slaughter. With a clutch of regulatory bodies, and varying definitions of what constitutes halal, customers are confused: there have even been calls to have halal meat labelled as "stunned" and "non-stunned"." |
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As for the stunned animal dying from the stunning process.......I think this is very unlikely. If the animal needs to be prayed over or blessed for giving up its life then do it, stun the animal, then kill it. As for killing my own meat. I know I could not do it. I accept that there are others in the community that can do so.....so I let them do it. (there are people who frequently tell me that they could not wipe another persons bottom, something I did for 30 years or so - that would be no problem to me...so how about I wipe bums and someone kills my meat?) |
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Well the HMC thinks it likely, they will have access to more evidence than you quite likely. |
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It sounds like a justification for killing without stunning to me.
I do not have experience in such things, but I will ask my nieces husband(who is an official vet for slaughterhouses) how often he has seen this happen. |
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If they insist on meat killed this way then they should buy it from a country where halal killing without stunning is not banned. Hanging a fully conscious animal by a leg and cutting it's throat so it bleeds to death for a few minutes- humane? Painless? No rational person could believe that or should accept it. |
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I'll be interested to hear what he says. |
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I spoke to him last night.
He has been an official vet for some twenty odd years and he has only seen a stun kill a beast three times. Each of these beasts was discarded as being unfit for human consumption. (Don't know if they were post mortemed, didn't think to ask)I presume that that means that there was something wrong with them. He also said he hasn't seen this happen in recent years. |
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Thanks Margaret.
For me it's ones choice at the end of the day. A blunt instrument pounded into the animals skull. *shudder* Or the severing of the jugular vein with a sharp knife breaking the connection to the pain receptors and brain almost immediately. *shiver* There is of course another consideration, the subsequent draining of blood is also seen to have a number of health benefits. Clearly though labels should be used then we are all given the right to choose. |
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You are welcome.
The stunning (which is not a blunt instrument, it is an electrical charge)process renders the beast insensible so no pain is registered by the animal. I cannot be sure in my own mind that the person who uses the sharp knife has accurately located the jugular vein.....or that the knife is as sharp as it needs to be. Also,I am told,that frequently in halal slaughter, the prayer or blessing is on the blade to remove the need for it to actually be spoken....to speed up the process. I know that I should take things I am told with a good dose of salts, but it makes you wonder what other practices are done in the name of speed. Yes, adequate, CLEAR labelling is definitely the way forward so that we can make a choice. |
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Animal slaughter factfile - Stunning, sticking, religious slaughter
extract:•Penetrating captive bolt - used on cattle, sheep and some pigs. A gun fires a metal bolt into the brain of the animal causing the animal to lose consciousness immediately. |
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I have visited slaughterhouses, I have seen the electrical stunning, but 'chickened' out of watching beasts being bolted(no pun intended)
The animals I saw being killed were lambs and pigs. My husband worked in the blood pit of the slaughterhouse when he was a teenager(a damn long time ago). |
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As far as I am aware, bolting is part of the stunning process, done prior to the slitting of the beasts throat.
I said in a previous post, I was offered an opportunity to watch this being done, but declined........I DID watch the electrical stunning of smaller animals(not chickens). I am not that squeamish, but did not really want to watch bolting. I thought the electrical stunning was a bit like ECT which I saw carried out on the mental health unit. |
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Electroconvulsive Therapy.... now that opens up a whole new thread. Carrie Mathison in Homeland and McMurphy in One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest. "Trust me I am a doctor (or a nurse)" |
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You made it sound as if the animal was being cudgelled to death. Yes a bolt is s blunt instrument....But it is considered to be the most humane way of stunning beasts prior to a kill. You were using emotive language to impress a point.
Are you a meat eater? Do you care about how your meat gets to you table? If you are not a meat eater then any method of killing an animal for food will be abhorrent to you......and I can see why you would use emotive language......designed to put meat eaters off meat. I want to be able to make choices of whether I spend MY money on meat that I consider has been killed humanely. I do not consider halal meat to have been humanely killed......that is my opinion, to which I am entitled. |
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It was just before Accy became "Hyndburn" I worked for the Electrical and Street Lighting between 1960 and 1965 approx
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Daft enough to squeeze a gas mantle to see if it still worked. Two of them got caught out ringing in false fire calls, ended up in court, its a long story of how I found out, then weeks of of checking call out records, and listening to recordings at B.H.Q. My Sister worked there, and records were kept of the incoming calls, and where from, accidentally caught another, a fairly new member working on his own. |
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Am I bothered how my meat gets to my table? Yes of course, but I am more concerned with hygiene and responsible animal welfare/husbandry during its life that it’s last few hours. Dave in Deutschland makes the point about the animal being despatched before it knows what’s happening. Good enough for me but we can widen that debate if you like. “Would or does the animal know what’s happening?” No I don’t want the animal distressed period but I think that’s a given in any slaughterhouse procedures, rules and regulations. |
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I would guess that most people who care about how an animal is killed would also have concerns that the animals welfare through its life was good too.
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Have to be honest, when its on me plate, have never considered were n how it got yon.
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Pretty sure they did gas unwanted dogs and cats at the back of the station, at least when I had the rotten job of taking a few during the early 50s.
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When I worked on the council.They had a shallow metal tray with water in it and they use to stand the dogs in it with clips on their ears connected to the electricity supply
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Bingo (or Fido) a ready meal. :D |
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It used to smell horrible
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Just poking the fires up a bit.
Top vet calls for reform of kosher and halal slaughter practices | World news | The Guardian |
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Anyone who buys halal meat is a savage simple as. like it or lump it.
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Most chicken sold in this country is produced to meet halal requirements
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So a 100,000 signature petition is now in the hands of PM Maybe, but I personally don't think it'll make to much difference because there's no will or determination from the gutless politicoes for confrontation with the "enrichers" to our UK shores. What's more telling though is that the Animals rights crowd & the RSPCA, haven't spoken up against this barbaric practice.
Campaigners Hand in Petition after 100,000 Call for Ban on Halal Slaughter |
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I once worked at a Bernard Mathews turkey farm for a few days before one Christmas. Grab the bird by the legs. stick the feet through a wire W hook so the bird was hanging upside down. grip the neck between your fingers, pull downwards and twist until you felt the neck seperate. Then pluck the feathers, whilst trying to avoid it's last objection. Only did 4 days and then my wife said no more, she couldn't get rid of the smell on my clothes despite repeated washing. Guess they qualified as Halal.
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I started as a teenager in Tony Perkins butchers in Ossy. I am a Graduate member of the Institute of Meat, a fully trained animal welfare officer & have spent all my working years in food & in particular meat. Until September this year I worked for a retailer auditing meat & poultry slaughter house's across the world.
The majority of meat killed & cut in the UK & Europe is halal but I have never seen any "inhumane" methods of slaughter that would make any animal or bird suffer. For info the best slaughterhouse I have seen for beef & lamb supplies M&S & Iceland, the best poultry site was in Poland supplying Asda, Iceland & KFC. Pork was a German site supplying just about most of Europe. The worst unfortunately was in the UK & purely due to age & lack of investment Bernard Matthew's gets this. However they still slaughter in a humane manner. Here today, somewhere else tomorrow. |
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I started at a young age very young in fact, to eat meat, it came naturally to me after all, it was offered so I ate it.
The plain fact of the matter is that we are omnivorous, no matter how you pretend you can't get away from it, it does mean some other animal has to die to give us the pleasure of grease dribbling down our chins as most of us chew our way through the flesh of what used to be alive and has been killed for our benefit. Of course it is important that the animal we are chewing on has been given a life that up until it was slaughtered wasn't a miserable one and that it's moment of dispatch will be as painless and stress free as possible. Somewhere around this point in the conversation I'm sure there will be one of those superior beings that give themselves titles such as vegans or some such farty thing. But, do they not realise how many living creatures they kill just when they boil a potato? We are all guilty it's part of life, get on with it. |
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Must admit I did think said "I" might be an "Aye" but one doesn't wish to presume. :)
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These are the KFC shops currently selling Halal Southern Fried Chicken. Accy seems to have survived the Chickexit.
They do keep on about respecting customers choice but what about those who just want genuine old fashioned Southern Friend Chicken? Acton Vale Arndale Centre Baker Street Barking Barlow Moor Road Beckton Bethnal Green Birmingham Star City Birmingham Heybarnes Birmingham Yardley Bishopsgate Bolton Derby Street Bradford Ingleby Road Bristol Union Street Burnley Camden Town Cape Hill Colindale Colliers Wood Coventry Courthouse Green Coventry Cross Cheaping Croydon Central Derby Foresters Leisure Park Dewsbury Earls Court Road East Ham Edgeware Road Edinburgh Meadowbank Edmonton Elk Mill Festival Heights Finsbury Park Forest Gate Fulham Gateshead Metro Centre Glasgow Govan Glasgow Pollokshaws Road Glasgow Renfield Street Hackney Halifax Halifax Haley Hill Drive Thru Handsworth Harrow Weald Drive Thru Heaton Chapel High Wycombe Retail Park Hounslow West Iflord Leeds Road Junction 27 Junction 9 Keighley Kilburn Birmingham Kings Heath Lea Bridge Road Drive Thru Meanwood Leicester Leicester High Street Leicester Services Leyton Leyton Mills Leytonstone Liverpool Chaloner Street Luton Manchester Fort Newport West Northampton Nottingham Alfreton Rd Oxford Paddington Park Royal Peacocks Shopping Centre Perry Bar Peterborough London Road Deepdale Reading Broadstreet Rochdale Kingsway Seven Kings Seven Sisters Sheffield Queens Road Sheffield Arena Drive Thru Slough Queensmere Centre Southall Stratford Streatham Teeside Retail Park Tottenham Court Road Tottenham Hale Tower Hill Tyrell Street Upton Park Walthamstow Walworth Road Wembley Westfield Stratford Westgate Retail Park Drive Thru Whitechapel Woking Wood Green Restaurant |
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Is that a list of those that do halal or those that don't?
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Hi The list is the ones that do Halal. KFC says its making it available due to demand so I guess those who don't want it are in a minority now. Pleased to see the Preston high street branch has stuck to its guns as it was the first branch to open in the UK and continuing with its original KFC recipe. To my mind all the others in the list are no longer genuine KFC outlets and being honest the thought of Chicken going through a cut in a jugular vein, carotid artery and windpipe in some sort of ritual slaughtering whilst verbal mutterings take place is enough for me to ask everywhere I eat 'is your food Halal' Our own government has stated it has no intention of stopping religious slaughter here which kinda endorses it. Yep I've seen the meat wagon offloading on the walk into town many times at said shop and how they get away with flogging what will be contaminated meat I've no idea.
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Reference 'I'......Grandkids messing about, couldn't delete the whole thing!
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Forgot to mention that anywhere serving Halal should be displaying HALAL FOOD AUTHORITY sign as well which is green and says HFA APPROVED, it does help if you don't like Halal in your tum tum.
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I don't believe it's legal for those shops to sell Halal unless they are sure the customer is buying it for religious reasons.
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