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WillowTheWhisp · 05-09-2007, 21:47

I'm sure here that would be classed by some as infringing on people's human rights!

Lampman · 06-09-2007, 14:56

Not too late to start again surely?

Margaret Pilkington · 06-09-2007, 18:26

I think perhaps it is.......open a can of worms and the first thing you realise is that you are going to need a much bigger can!

Eric · 06-09-2007, 18:32

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

I'm sure here that would be classed by some as infringing on people's human rights!

I know ... and it is very fine line we tread. At one extreme, a small community in Quebec (I forget the name and am to busy to go looking for it) passed a bylaw which acknowledged that while all new Canadians/Quebecois(e) were welcome, certain forms of Islamic law, particularly that dealing with the status of women, were not. There are no muslims living in that community. At the other extreme is one of the most popular shows on Canadian tv, "Little Mosque on the Prairies."

Canada has, in several cases, granted refugee status to young women who would fave female circumcision if they returned to their own countries.

While we have freedom of speech in our country, there are limits. One can be convicted of "hate crimes." It is not ok, for example, to paint swastikas on synagogues. People come to this country to become Canadians. They can bring with them all that is positive and good about their cultures and religions; but they can leave the crap behind them. The vast majority of immigrants are ok with this because it is usually this crap that they wish to escape from.

Eric · 07-09-2007, 19:03

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

I'm sure here that would be classed by some as infringing on people's human rights!

I don't think that rights are being infringed. It is Canada's right as a sovreign nation to refuse citizenship. In the two tier system we have, a person applies for Landed Immigrant Status. After five years (I think) they can apply for citizenship. Once they have citizenship then they have all the rights guaranteed under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. The point is that one can be choosey at the time of entry.

Lampman · 08-09-2007, 18:58

Seems like a good idea(as someone once said),though we have the extra burden of the EEC rulings;plus the French giving would be immigrants the nod and directions for Dover!

Ianto.W. · 08-09-2007, 19:53

A parasite eats the host and contributes nothing, when all the flesh has gone the parasite will move on,or die.

Mancie · 08-09-2007, 19:58

Britain is the main destination for eastern european immigrants for the simple reason that it has the strongest economy in europe and there is work, these people don't come here because Britain is a "soft touch" nor to claim benefits.
The funny thing is that the very people who complain the most about immigrants are the same people who employ them...farmers and Tory businessmen!

BERNADETTE · 08-09-2007, 20:54

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Originally Posted by Mancie

Britain is the main destination for eastern european immigrants for the simple reason that it has the strongest economy in europe and there is work, these people don't come here because Britain is a "soft touch" nor to claim benefits.
The funny thing is that the very people who complain the most about immigrants are the same people who employ them...farmers and Tory businessmen!

Most businessmen I have known were self made and not in the least political animals, just what M ancie has the' tory' party got to do with the thread?I do not see many Eastern Europeans, or Asians heading home, save to go on holiday. or bring a' mate in' The only thing that goes home is the money wheather earned or scrounged.

Mancie · 08-09-2007, 21:16

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE

Most businessmen I have known were self made and not in the least political animals, just what M ancie has the' tory' party got to do with the thread?I do not see many Eastern Europeans, or Asians heading home, save to go on holiday. or bring a' mate in' The only thing that goes home is the money wheather earned or scrounged.

This thread started as having a pop at people claiming benefits and has turned into the same old rubbish...blame immigrants!
I'll tell you what the Tory party have to do with it.. the Tory press (mail,express) almost daily print scaremongering stories about immigrants when by far the main benifit cheats in this country are british born.
The Countryside Alliance (just another name for far right wing Tory farmers) are the main employers of immigrants, as are the members of the CBI (just another name for right wing Tory business).

Ianto.W. · 08-09-2007, 22:20

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Originally Posted by Mancie

This thread started as having a pop at people claiming benefits and has turned into the same old rubbish...blame immigrants!
I'll tell you what the Tory party have to do with it.. the Tory press (mail,express) almost daily print scaremongering stories about immigrants when by far the main benifit cheats in this country are british born.
The Countryside Alliance (just another name for far right wing Tory farmers) are the main employers of immigrants, as are the members of the CBI (just another name for right wing Tory business).

I'll bet you eat the cheap grub produced by these right wing employers

Lampman · 09-09-2007, 14:14

I had always thought that the reason we had such popularity with immigrants is that every other EEC country sought to pass them down the line through their own borders to the next in line.The UK is at the end of that line and yes we do employ cheap labour and yes we are also a soft touch as far as the basic benefits are concerned.
We are a haven for scroungers of every ilk!