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Oh hello Cashy reading your replies you must be well used to being an old fart eh. !!! on a serious note their is never , ever a need to use bad language in songs Think of beutiful south and the words Take me tonight had much more meaning than the original F--K me tonight.

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I don't remember that - I sometimes notice the headlines while I am waiting in a queue in Smiths, but I don't tend to read any newspapers.

The paper I assume you refer to doesn't have any news in it anyway.

The only regular publication I read is F1 Racing - the logo for that is red!

That would probably bore a lot of people here silly as well...

And when I said that I blame the parents, that was related to the kids swearing, not the National Curriculum. That's down to the Government, who I didn't vote for.

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How about Eminem? His work has a lot of meaning, and I don't think the swearing in that detracts from his songs. People may not like Rap, but some of his stuff is worth a listen, imo (but not for kids!)

Apologies for the double post

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You obviously understand a great deal more than I do. Although we studied Shakespeare at school no rude jokes were explained to us and I have never been aware of them.



Well, at one time it wouldn't have been taught. It would have been censored. I sort of naively think that when a film is censored as unsuitable for viewing in a cinema by children under a certain age then that should also apply to viewing in a classroom.

Things have obviously changed a lot in schools because such words would not have been discussed by teachers and pupils when I were a lass.


WE may all know the words but I like to think that by using asterisks the idea is that those who know the words know what is being quoted and those who don't know the words are not being taught them by reading a newspaper.

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It wasn't just because I had a very good English master at school, it's widely known that Shakespeare wrote a lot of jokes into his plays that the earthy, sometimes illiterate rabble, would easily have got, but with the passgage of time we easily miss them because language evolves.

I personally hate swearing, especially by young people who use the f-word, usually many times in the same sentence, thus demeaning it's significance. I'd much rather see less swearing in the playground, which every child will encounter, a fact that may be aided by the reasoned discussion about how offensive language can be, even if it was discussed in the context of an English lesson.

I never in my life heard my father swear, even if he hit his thumb with a hammer he would say, for some reason, 'blood and sand'. An utterance so unusual, it was always as shocking to us as the use of a sexual profanity. All language is relative, and needs to be viewed in context.

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was the f word not what ladies of the night were charged in the middle ages ie for using carnal knowledge? If it was and the f word is now so common it has come a long way since then.

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I don't care to listen to Eminem......and if he has a message, and can articulate it without the use of profanity then maybe, just maybe I would be prepared to listen.

Eminem is one of the artist who our young people like to emulate......and they think that what he says is OK for them to say too......well, I don't think it is. No more than seeing top football players mouthing bad language......it all seems to make this language acceptable to our young people. Kids pick up words like pigeons pick up peas......they can't help it. It is a parents (or adults ) job to make sure that children are made to see that there is hardly ever an excuse for bad language. And just because words exist doesn't mean that they have to be used.

Willow......good luck in your quest to protect your daughter from unsuitable reading matter.

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I would like to echo an earlier question, who decides what is offensive?

Everyone seems to be agreed that F**K, as swear words go, is pretty offensive. But no one has convincingly explained to me why this might be the case.

What is so offensive about common body parts or bodily functions or everyday actions or occupations?

Shakespeare, as has already been observed, contains a wealth of morally dodgy symbolism, much of which is now inaccessable to a modern audience. Shakespeare was adept at incorporating the profanities of the day and playing on them to satirise or to amuse or to shock. So did Chaucer who was, if anything, a good deal more earthy but, who was nevertheless once part of the National Curriculum.

Should we now shield our children from these two canons of the English Language on the grounds that they might hear something that was held to be offensive centuries ago?

Of course, nobody enjoys listening to speech in which every word is punctuated by the inclusion of the word F**K. It demonstrates laziness and lack of consideration for the listener and, more importantly, it becomes meaningless.

Expletives are the spice of language and, like all spices, they are used to best effect when used sparingly. I would never criticize a child for swearing, only swearing inappropriately!

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im sorry but theres no place for a child in this world then if your going to bring up a child without swearing.
they are only going to learn it off the streets and from their friends.

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they wont like it , i dont like it but i can bet you bottom dollar that somtime they will use it! i hate swearing but ive done it occasionaly as it just comes out i then realise what i do and then i do actually apologise out loud even if i am on my own.

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How can you say that, I have seen you play the "what swear words can you get away with in chat" game :D

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if a woman or young girl was to be called a silly moo these days she would take it offensively as obviously it relates to being called a cow. i would rather be sworn at than called a cow.
same with the word bitch, who likes being called a dog? but yet its classed as a swear word so when a young child is learnig the word bitch people will automatically think first? is my child swearing?? or would they then realise that they were learning a new meaning for a lady dog??
or ba****d this word is in alot of films that is only realting to a child without a father??

Tw**t- a female fish??
where do we draw the line at what is swearing and what is not?? :confused: