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Are the cartoons, published in France, after first being published in Denmark, a stand for freedom in our Western press, or an insensitive attack against Muslims?

In Islamic art, it's against religious laws to portray any image of a living thing. On old Islamic tiles and rugs, when figures are portrayed, they are always shown with their throats cut, thus they aren't alive.

Should the freedoms we fought for, now be dictated to by a minority of people?

After these cartoons were published in French and Spanish papers today, the EEC offices in Palestine were today surrounded by armed protesters.

Our own Government is trying to bring in laws that would outlaw derogatory jokes about people's faiths, much to the anger of most comedians. Goodbye to there was a Catholic, Jew and a Nun in a bar.

It was quite easy to find the cartoons that have been published of Mohamed, but in case a fatwa is issued I'll let you search for them yourselves, and make your own minds up if they are offensive.

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There is a difference here. I have yet to see Muslim News Paper print derogatory Cartoons depicting Jesus Christ or God himself as a Terrorist. I think that cartoons about public figures would have gone uncommented on.

We have to show due respect to all the worlds religions and not openly attack what is the figurehead of Muslim Faith. I would argue that public figures are fair game in the political sense, but not the root of faith.

I would agree that matters like this should be left alone and comments should not be allowed to lead to offence being caused to either Muslims or Christians. This is not the same argument as that of the governments Racial Hatred Bill to which I am totally against.

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i laughed my ass off when i heard about these cartoons and with living in a country that promotes freedom of expression , speech and many other things that other countries dont i rest easy with my laughter

mind you when tony blair gets finished with us we wont be a free speaking nation if he gets his way


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no i dont vote con or the other looney party ime just anti blair


i recall seeing a cartoon of christ on the cross asking peter to remove 2 nails to ease the pain and the next picture was of jesus falling forward screaming not those 2 bloody nails you idiot

i dont recall that one hitting the headlines :rolleyes:

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Oddly enough, I have just been catching up on this particular story. Being a depraved infidel, and proud of it, I found myself deeply intrigued by what could possibly occasion such a long running uproar. These cartoons must be really savage, caustic and biting, I thought - I just have to see them!

So off I went in search of the images that have worked our muslim bretheren up into such a lather. To be honest, I wish I hadn't bothered and I urge any of you considering a similar search to find something more interesting to do. Not, I hasten to add, out of any misplaced considerations of political correctness, but simply because they are so unremarkable as to be embarassing.

Much has been made, on both sides of the Atlantic, about the protection of freedom of speech and expression as well as the independence of the media and it's right to call an issue as it sees it. And much of that is reasonable and right. Sadly, very little has been made of the comedic, aesthetic or cultural value of these cartoons. That is because they posess so little of either. I have seen caricatures of my primary school teacher which were funnier - what am I saying - I drew caricatures of my primary school teacher that were infinately funnier than those pathetic doodlings!

What are we left with? We have on the one hand sophisticated western nations who no longer have much respect for organised religion and who view anything as a legitimate target for examination, criticism and ridicule. Nations who are not afraid to laugh, not only at each other but, also at themselves without worrying that such laughter might usher in the end of civilisation as we know it.

On the other hand we have the members of an organised religion who have little understanding and less experience of the nature of the freedoms which the west enjoys and jealously guards. A religion which demands tolerance and respect for its traditions and beliefs from the rest of the world but offers none to those who do not subscribe to those traditions and beliefs. Indeed, a religion, some of whose adherants support barbaric acts of terrorism as a means of furthering their theocractic/political influence.

Remember, this is the same religion which sanctioned the murder of a respected author for having the temerity to ridicule one of its figure heads and advocates similar punishments for others who would be tempted to travel a similar path, as the Dutch film-maker Theo van Gogh discovered to his cost.

Aesthetic considerations aside, was the Danish newspaper right to publish the cartoons? Yes, I think it was. Were the other European Newspapers right to publish them in support? Again, yes. Is the Muslim over-reaction to the publication ridiculous? Certainly! Will anything written by me have any influence on the controversy? Certainly not. This row is set to become a political issue and since when has common sense had anything in common with politics?

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The cartoons haven't be printed in Christian newspaper, they were posted in a National non-denominationl paper. Some of cartoons also featured Jesus.

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What’s the difference where they are printed; it’s irrelevant? If we are to do anything to resolve some of the misinterpretations that relate to the root source of faith in other religions we should show a minimum of respect. And before you go off about any related subjects, my opinion is that two wrongs don’t make a right and occasionally we should make the effort to show due respect.

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Difficult one.

Respect works both ways.

I'll never forget seeing on the news, men, women and children celebrating on the streets of Palenstine the day of the terrorist bombings of 9/11. The same people who were today armed, and protesting outside EEC offices in Palestine about the cartoons.

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long live chubby brown and bernard manning :D

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Religions over the centuries have caused great sorrow, division and untold suffering of human beings. There are few who have had the courage to point out this appalling truth. That all human beings are one is unimportant. Many years ago a man called John Lennon in the lyrics to the song Imagine said it all.
(by John Lennon)
Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
Nowhere below us
Above only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

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You must have an amazing memory for faces to know they are the same people. Or did you just tar a whole nation with the same brush ?

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Of course I didn't mean the same actual people, it was meant generically.

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Madonna faced a backlash and protests from the Christian right, as well as being ctiticised by the Pope, when she romped with a black Jesus, and for her use of crucifixes in videos.

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saw on the news that muslims all over the world are protesting , rioting and throwing in 1 kidnapping so far

thank our lucky stars that their faith promotes peace

whos doing their faith more harm , the cartoon or the behaviour of hundreds of thousands by which i mean the morons rioting and those screaming like loons in teh streets

although the cartoons were printed legaly and to be honest i dont think theres a problem with it in an ideal world but sadly terrorist organisations will now use these cartoons to recruit the weaker minded few into their organisations

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Where are the cartoons ? give us a link please...............

Spread a little happiness these dark winter nights,

Cheers

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I've made the effort but read the following and tell me why I should afford these people any respect whatsoever.

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan, DEC. 2, 2005 (Zenit.org).- Christians are being expelled from their homes in Pakistan to make room for victims of the earthquake that hit Kashmir and the northwestern region of the country in early October.

Full article:http://www.zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=81032

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somone aske for pictures but i couldnt find them just yet

however i came across this head line

Mohamed cartoons provoke bomb threats against Danish newspaper
By Stephen Castle
Published: 01 February 2006

so the moral of this story is..

draw a cartoon and we will bomb your ass

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Loved the remark on radio today that there was something in these papers that stated there can't be many virgins left in heaven .. . just wondered if Garinda was hiding them somewhere (see his new picture!!)

Loved Life of Brian by the way.

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A priest was driving along the highway when he was stopped by a police patrol.
Approaching the car the cop could smell alcohol on the priest’s breath.
“What have you been drinking Father?”
“Water!” Pointing to the empty water bottle on the seat beside him.
“Well I can smell wine.”
“Good Lord! He’s done it again!”

Now would you be offended if a Muslim told that joke?
Would you be up in arms threatening to bomb official buildings? No! Of course not.

Try a Google search for Muslim Cartoons.

Respect is earned - not a God given right as the Muslims seem to think. I don’t know about anyone else but I cannot find it in my heart to respect the Islamic faith when they oppress their womenfolk and treat them as second class citizens. How can you respect any organisation that will not tolerate other religions? How can Islam be shown any respect when they actively brain wash their young men and women into becoming suicide bombers. They don’t even respect their own various factions but are at loggerheads with each other.

Verb sap!

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Funny how the muslim world have gone nuts about these cartoons, however, why have the danes not gone mad about the muslims burning the danish flag and effergies(sp) of the danish PM... surely that is a lot worse than the cartoons.....

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It reminds me a bit of our past a good few hundred years ago. We were very similar. We used to brain wash each other, torture at will, murder innocent people and even murder women by burning them at the stake in the name of who ever or what ever. Thankfully over those hundreds of years we have moved on and evolved, we have learnt to tolerate, give a little etc.
These days it’s hard for us to imagine that we were once so stupid and cruel and perhaps it will take another few hundred years for everyone else to catch up and realize the same.

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one thing i think no one of the above has pointed out is that in islam you do not do faces etc of people let alone of the prophet. hence as someoen said they're all dead ppl in the pics etc.

more is actually known about how the prophet looked than jesus yet no one draws the face. end of the day there's been a million and one cartoons jokes about islam we all know and heard and laughed at them. there's been mullah hook and mullah so and so and were any voices raised to object at them? no. thats fine go ahead. free speech and freedom of the press and all that. but then when u go against a pliminary belief of a religion then u have to question why?

soemoen above said that no cartoons of say jesus were found in any publication of the islamic world. simple reason is cause muslims also believe that he was a prophet *not ness the son of god but a prophet nonetheless* so that kills that. but then what about hindu's? islam and hinduism has nothing in common yet for all the fundamentalist hindus *and there are ALOT of them esp in india* u dont get its arch enemy pakistan even during war makin caricatures in its newspapers of them. these are two nations who have gone to war twice gone nuclear cause the other one has that for 40-50 yrs banned direct travel between the two nations. yet there has not been one cartoon of the hindu gods hanuman or ganesh - as easy as it wud b there hasnt been one.

respect is earned and shud b expected too. the danes showed what i believe is a lack of respect to islam and what do they expect back? a garland of flowers and islamic nations sayin to here u can have a billion gallons of oil for free?

a presenter on 5 live summed up why there has been such a volatile reaction to this perfectly i feel. he said that in the uk christians are christians and go church on sundays. with the islamic world and the religion itself the way its beliefs adn prayers are organised the life there is organised around prayers etc and around religion and yes i'm here being sensible about it talkin etc and no flag burning but for those ppl in such arab nations this is just a huge insult to their whole life so to speak.

and dont forget it wasnt so long ago that the swedes and danes *i think* had the film life of brian banned from the country.

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here's a few things i got from another site i haunt...

Jewish people beleive they can't say the word for God in hewbrew, gods name,that is repsected.

Christians think that Jesus was born to a virgin, a biologically impossible concept but that is respected.

Sikhs have long hair and beards, that is repected.

Hindu people hold cows holy, you never show caractures of what they hold holy like them worshipping burgers...

Why should muslims put up with what we hold dear being trampled upon in the name of free speach?

just because a few muslims have decided to do things the wrong way does not give anyone a license to ridicule us.


Jordanian independent tabloid al-Shihan reprinted three of the cartoons on Thursday, saying people should know what they were protesting about, AFP news agency reports.
"Muslims of the world be reasonable," wrote editor Jihad Momani.
"What brings more prejudice against Islam, these caricatures or pictures of a hostage-taker slashing the throat of his victim in front of the cameras or a suicide bomber who blows himself up during a wedding ceremony in Amman?"

yes we do realise that some of the reaction has been more than over the top. protest if you must but why step over the mark and start death threats...



Danish-Swedish dairy giant Arla Foods says the ongoing boycott of Danish products in the Middle East had so far cost it between £40m and £50m.
As the Muslim world refuses to buy Danish goods in protest over cartoons published in a Danish newspaper, Arla is losing £1m a day
Maybe now - the Danish press will see how being civil and respecting anothers beliefs will benefit them too.



I also found it amusing how when some top ranking German bod was questioned if anti-semitic cartoons would be allowed to be published, causing offence....he said 'no, as there are limits' LOL

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andddddddddddddd one final thing i want to add is that the protest that took place in london today *or yesterday* was organised by a group thrown out of mosques all over the country for preaching what many imam's *priests* believe is the false image of islam.

this was the same group who last year backed adn pushed that school girl in luton to sue the school.

it only takes the few to make the whole country paint us with the same brush.

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Just as it only takes the actions of a few Americans for the islamic world to condemn the whole nation.

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I believe the editor has since lost his job for saying that, which is a great pity.




I do agree with this. Everyone should have a right to protest about something which they find hurtful and offensive to themselves, their way of life and their religion. If that objection was put forward in a dignified and civilised way then I think they would be far more likely to gain people's respect and perhaps people would look at themselves again and ask are they being humerous or are they merely seeking to belittle and ridicule. To me the former is acceptable, the latter isn't.

I find it interesting that we are told the face of the prophet must never be depicted and yet there are paintings and drawings of him which have existed for centuries, some even produced by muslims.

Those cartoons would probably have faded into obscurity if such a fuss hadn't been made but now so much attention has been drawn to them that more and more people are clamouring to see them and more and more people are publishing them. I've seen them and personally I think they are a load of rubbish. They have obviously been drawn by (a) narrow minded individual(s) who should never have attracted so much attention. Unfortunately there will always be people who think along the lines of those cartoonists whether they see the cartoons or not, you can't make laws which stop people from thinking even if you stop them from expressing those thoughts. There are also many people who think the cartoons are tasteless and moronic, but who have now come down in defense of their publication purely as a result of the reaction from the muslim world and I find that very sad indeed.

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Most Christians I know, their faith is practiced every day, either through prayer or action.

It's wrong to say just because Sunday is the traditional day of worship, Christians don't hold their faith and prayers close to their heart everyday.

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i have heard many stand up comics make jokes about that yet so far to my knowledge no one has paraded through the streets demanding they be beheaded unlike yesterdays protesters

religeon is a farce anyway it causes way too much trouble and not one religeion christian , islam or whatever can be backed up by solid facts yet peopel will kill each other over it

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Muslims fly commercial airliners into buildings in New York City. No Muslim outrage.

Muslim officials block the exit where school girls are trying to escape a burning building because their faces were exposed. No Muslim outrage.

Muslims cut off the heads of three teenaged girls on their way to school in Indonesia. A Christian school. No Muslim outrage.

Muslims murder teachers trying to teach Muslim children in Iraq. No Muslim outrage.

Muslims murder over 80 tourists with car bombs outside cafes and hotels in Egypt. No Muslim outrage.

A Muslim attacks a missionary children's school in India. Kills six. No Muslim outrage.

Muslims slaughter hundreds of children and teachers in Beslan, Russia. Muslims shoot children in the back. No Muslim outrage.

Let's go way back. Muslims kidnap and kill athletes at the Munich Summer Olympics. No Muslim outrage.

Muslims murder more than 50 commuters in attacks on London subways and busses. Over 700 are injured. No Muslim outrage.

Muslims murder innocent Austrailian vacationers in Bali. No Muslim outrage.

Muslim newspapers publish anti-Semitic cartoons. No Muslim outrage

Muslims beat the charred bodies of Western civilians with their shoes, then hang them from a bridge. No Muslim outrage.

Newspapers in Denmark and Norway publish cartoons depicting Mohammed. Muslims are outraged.

Dead children. Dead tourists. Dead teachers. Dead doctors and nurses. Death, destruction and mayhem around the world at the hands of Muslims .. no Muslim outrage ... but publish a cartoon depicting Mohammed with a bomb in his turban and all hell breaks loose.

Come on, is this really about cartoons? They're rampaging and burning flags. They're looking for Europeans to kidnap. They're threatening innkeepers and generally raising holy Muslim hell not because of any outrage over a cartoon. They're outraged because it is part of the Islamic jihadist culture to be outraged. You don't really need a reason. You just need an excuse. Wandering around, destroying property, murdering children, firing guns into the air and feigning outrage over the slightest perceived insult is to a jihadist what free speech is to a Brit.

I know and understand that these bloodthirsty murderers do not represent the majority of the world's Muslims.
When, though, do they become outraged?
When do they take to the streets to express their outrage at the radicals who are making their religion the object of worldwide hatred and ridicule?
Islamic writer Salman Rushdie wrote of these silent Muslims in a New York Times article three years ago. "As their ancient, deeply civilized culture of love, art and philosophical reflection is hijacked by paranoiacs, racists, liars, male supremacists, tyrants, fanatics and violence junkies, why are they not screaming?"

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4699847.stm


India, 2005.

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Were their protests outside Indian Embassies throughout the world last year?

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garinda and willow

that comment ur referring to wasnt mine just to let u know - it was a quote i took from the radio i was listenin to

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Bazf you put over your view very well and I would agree 100% with your thoughts .true muslims must be ashamed of the face being put forward by these (so Called muslims ) .I congratulate you on your truthfulness.

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I found them online.

I find it all very boring. How can one disrespect what does not exist? I also think the people offended are capable of much, much worse things as Batf points out so eloquently.

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i wish we had taken enock powell seriously.

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We have been regreting that that great man was not still around. All he warned about has happened.

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It is all ironic really. This is basically about freedom of speech, with the protesters taking to the streets of Britain with placards inciting death.

Where were they last year, protesting about the Indian that produced an image of Mohamed?

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i remember enock saying ,there will be blood on the streets,,,he was ssOO right.:engsmil:

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If we didnt have religion would we still have hate??

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A lot less for sure. Religion has caused more wars than anything else. All for something that nobody can prove.

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Yes but not to the same degree baby_boo.

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http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006060070,00.html

i think these pictures are plain sick.
It scares me as to what the banner that says the "fantastic 4 are on there way" who and what that is seems very threatening and alarm bells tells me i should be worried.
There is also a placard not shown but in the sun newspaper with a muslim man holding it and it says " europe you will pay,your 3/11 is on its way!!!" again alarm bells start to ring.
I must say these people are shamful to their religion.
It sickens me to see a muslim dressed up as a suicide bomber when all the flack started up over a cartoon of a "Prophet" dressed as a suicide bomber. Britain will go mad over these people and alot of discussions will be hot on the topic but yet it wouldnt surprise me if we all get called racists?? :mad:

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trouble is its NOT racist or threatening when they do that ....but an innocent german guy who is handing out the pictures that caused this insanity gets accused of stirring up racial hatred he gets arrested and will prob get fined/cautioned yet the pillocks who dress as suicide bombers and carry message boards like the ones in boo's link get away scott free because the goverment/police dont have the balls to stand up and fight for our country because they dont want to be seen as being a racist nation.....well im NOT sorry to say that its not the english that are racist .....ITS THE MUSLIMS...or some of em :engsmil: :engsmil: :engsmil:

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sorry but them placards are threatening to me. Its like they already know something is going to happen and are playing with us about it.
"europe you will pay 3/11 is on its way"? its quite daunting as to if thats the 11th march and something big will happen on that day but it makes you think and gets me quite nervous. :idunno:

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i was actually being sarcastic boo....those banners etc are very threatening but my point was that if they do it its ok but if a white person does it then they would be arrested ...i totally agree with what your sayin hun :D

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The cartoons were unwise, but they are cartoons and how many times have cartoons been seen which involve God or the Pope? The people involved are inciting racial hatrid by carrying the placards containing deflamatory messages and should be dealt with accordingly.

Civilised countries like Britain, France, Denmark etc should not be put through this sort of disruption.

The muslim council of GB has denounced the arson on embassy buildings and pleaded for muslims not to react in a violent manner to the publication of the cartoons.

Why should law abiding citzens be subject to fear of reprisals when the perpetrators are acting in an unlawful way to start with?

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off topic i know but ..pmsfl..at your signature basher :rofl38:


and i agree with your comments

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oh sorry i was just being blonde just woke up :D

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The Muslim fundamentalists and radicals were just looking for an excuse to have a crack at the Infidels – us and the opportunity presented itself with those cartoons. They will milk the situation for all that its worth from now until forever.

As for the 3/11 threat, that is all it is a threat designed to cause consternation amongst the Infidels. For those who can remember a UXB caused more disruption than one that actually exploded. Indeed the Germans usually had a few dummy bombs in the payload confident that they would cause more problems than a bomb that went bang. Thus a threat that is perceived to be credible will cause more problems than actually carrying out the threat. Our security forces will have to take the threat seriously if only to establish that there was no planned action behind the threat. That in itself has used up resources and succeeded in its aim.

Remember that it is the duty of every Muslim to actively promote the Islamic faith until every single person on the planet has been converted to Islam. The majority of Muslims only pay lip service to the creed but there are enough fundamentalists with enough gullible followers to try and make it happen.

9/11 was an open declaration of the continuance of the Holy Wars by the extremists of Islam. 7/7 was just a reminder.

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My sweet country is mine no longer. And I make a solemn promise, I will never ever turn to Islam. I am a free, independant and equal woman and I will remain that way till death.

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well they ARE doing a good job of trying to brainwash people....

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Because they are brainwashed themselves.

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This man was lucky the Police did not shoot him
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...6_omar_300.jpg
We was protesting as a suicide bomber in London.
Read the story on the BBC News Website here.

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He has been cautioned. Yet the british woman who just read out the names of soldiers who have died in Iraq, has been charged under the anti-terrorism law.

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this man has made a public appology and it should be accepted and forgiveness should be given

the above statement was also preppared by a solicitor :D

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CAUTIONED!! He should have been held under the Prevention of Terrorism Act for at least 3 months while they checked him out.

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Hey he kind of looks like you. Thats some wicked spray on sun tan you used.

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Ummm, no!................

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just as i said they were the luton HT crew who shud've been banned from this country long time ago...

i do agree with the fact that the bloke who was dressed as a bomber hsud've been shot - at least no one cud ocmplain he didnt look like a suicide bomber unlike the unfortunate brazilian.

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i do agree that the d**ks holdin those placards on fri shud all b rounded up and arrested. i do agree wiht the police that it wudnt have been productive for them to do so on the day

i just wish htey shud've shot that guy dressed as a suicide bomber - at least no one wud complain that he didnt look the part. stupid ppl like him derserve it.

him apologising is just an attempt to not being charged with anything

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Still think he should be charged regardless of an appology.

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Just heard on TV news, the guy in question was jailed for 5 years for pushing cocaine. He is out on probation, which means, it looks like he will go back in for being a naughty boy! Could not have happened to a nicer guy.

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lol what an idiot he didnt even think to cover his face which with having a criminal record would be the first thing you think he would do

oh well stupid is as stupid does

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This government has backed itself into a corner with all the bending over backwards towards the Muslim community.

They are now afraid to slap down extremists for fear of the possible reprisals. Much in the same way that most people didn’t upset the school or work bully because they were afraid of what s/he would do to get back at them. The recent demonstrations in London have established that quite firmly.

It is not too late for we British (English if you like) to stand up and be counted and point out to those who come from abroad to live here that it is our country and they must learn to integrate or leave.

We British have a long history of tolerance towards other cultures and beliefs but these last few years we have laid down and allowed ourselves to be walked over.

I don’t care if a person is black, red, yellow or has come from Alpha Centauri. I don’t care what deity s/he believes in and s/he can practice those beliefs providing that no law is broken in doing so. I do care about having that belief thrust in my face. The immigrant must adapt to our ways not the other way around. If there is a clash in cultures then the visitor must back down and make the adjustment, not us.

You can only go so far in welcoming a guest but once they start to take over and impose their ways then we have to say, “Thus far and no further.”

If that makes me a racist then so be it.

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Excuse me for a few minutes, I'm just nipping down to Barclays to do a bank raid. Of course, I will apologise afterwards, so that makes it all right, even if I have scared the staff sh****ss with my sawn-off shotgun.

Anyway, if this guy was jailed for supplying Class A drugs, what price being a good Muslim? - or does this count as just another way of sapping the spirit of the infidel, and therefore legit?

I do not subscribe to organised religions - I think they have caused more deaths in history than disease. However, no true religion can countenance murder. The only hope is that since we at the time of the Crusades were where fundamentalists are now, trying to convert the whole world by force, they also may come to realise the rank stupidity of it.

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I think the English worm will turn sooner or later.

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Yet again a minority makes a mess for the majority.

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I was talking to a guy today who is a Muslim, he talked about things quite openly and his opinion was that the cartoon was offensive but that the protestors went about it the wrong way and set back their cause.

From what I understood, the average Muslim in East Lancashire was annoyed by the cartoon but accepted it for what it was - an offensive cartoon. So yes, the minority, who protested with placards and burning of flags, etc, really are just a minority.

Hopefully there are enough reasonable people out there of most faiths that can get past this and use it as a platform for talking about understanding.

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Hmmmm..............

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Well, I hope that's the case.

The thing is that the average Muslem in the area is probably as upset by the protests as the rest of us but at least they are closer to understanding the reasoning behind them than we are. I have a very good relationship, I hope, with the chap I was talking to and I like to think that he is more indicative of the current Muslem approach than the placard waving protestors.

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Well guys and gals this is what all the fuss is about, just been sent the cartoon........


The idiots are trying to start world war 3 over this!!!!!!!!!!!

prefer these.......

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Baz I really think you should remove the picture. Anyone who wants to see it can find it easily enough themselves. I didn't start this thread to make more trouble, and I'm sure Roy wouldn't either.

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Thats The First Time Ive Seen It.....

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Muslims will find the cartoons offensive, just as Catholics would find women in porn films dressed as nuns would, etc.


My biggest fear in this whole saga is that the protests have been hijacked by a very visible minority of Muslim extremists. I defend their right to protest peacefully, just as I defend the newspapers that published the cartoons the right to print what they want, so long as it's legal.

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just like a minority spoils it for the england football team fans and from the outside it looks like as if all england fans are savage hooligans
a minority spoil it for the muslims in the uk and from the outside it looks as if all muslims are like that

i think i'm gonna stop tryna make ppl understand that point again and again and just give up on quite a few users on here...

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I'm afraid I have had to remove the cartoons. I'm not pretending to understand why they are found offensive but after seeing how a minority of Muslim's reacted to them I do not want myself or anyone else on Accyweb put in any position of danger.

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I've seen them, I really think, well, they are just cartoons. I would have paid then scant attention ordinarily.

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If a lack of understanding by all parties of these cartoons plays into the hands of a minority of "deep believers" than what will happen when someone really goes over the scoreand pushes too far? Expression is a freedom we cherish but if it is pushed beyond reasonable and decent levels then we have to accept the fall out. In this day and age people should have a basic understanding of others religions and beliefs and that encompasses ALL BELIEFS then that way there is less chance of a repeat of what happened. The gentlemen who dressed as a bomber is back behind bars through his actions and if he and others could understand what anxiety it caused to some he might not have gone ahead with it. Have a peaceful protest to let views be known but dont push it to the point of rioting which this mess could have lead to.

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Isn't that why its time for the majority to stand up and say enough our relgion and way of life has been hijacked by this minority, or is the real reason that they truely belive all the propaganda that these militants spew forth, the largest relgion in the world can't control a few thousand protesters?

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When politics is overshadowed by religion of any kind then we are on the way to the distruction of our way of life. Religion has had a hand in most war in one way or another and regardless of who wins we are all losers in the long run.

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It looks like this is the thin end of the wedge. If consecions are made to the islamic relegion regarding this matter then we start the transition of GB into a muslim state.

The law which forbids the showing of mohamed in print is one that applies to muslims not us. I was not aware of this law prior to this fiasco and frankly am not interested in finding out about islam ( or any other religion for that matter )

The extremists have shown that they are not civilised and should be arrested and deported if possible ASAP. Sod the human rights charter ( something which makes barresters rich at taxpayers expense and us locals out to be a bunch of idiots.)

While politicions refuse to listen to the people and pander to PC we are headed for right wing politics. That will be when the **** hits the fan.

PS I am dyslexic

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lol @ the name in fed dell , tell me are those dell computers anygood ..?

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I am not a Muslim so I am under no obligation to obey their religious laws in my own environment. The UK may not be an entirely Christian country but it is certainly not a Muslim country and thus Islam must take second place.

If I wish to draw a picture of their profit then I am free to do so. If I publish it and a Muslim is offended by it then it is too bad. He shouldn’t be looking. If I nailed it to the front door of a mosque or posted it through the letterbox of a Muslim then they would have a case. But the cartoons were published in a non Muslim newspaper so if they see it then it’s too bad.

The excrement has already hit the fan In_Fed_Del and the extremists will not let go of this opportunity to further their cause and try to frighten us into bowing down to them.

The only way that a line could be drawn under this affair is if the Muslim religious leaders reigned in the thugs and forced them to stop. That action is strangely lacking in the strength that is needed to make it happen.

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The cartoons should be published throughout the world, along with a few Christian/Jewish etc. ones, just to show a point.

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The extremists would still rant and rave as they are so blinkered tunnel vision has a wider view.

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Kinda what I want. Get this thing settled, one way or the other.

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All these stupid laws our govenment signed up to makes it hard to tackle some of this stuff and these people know it. If it comes down to human rights then mine are being infringed by these people advocating killing as I might be a target.

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This government stinks. The law stinks too. Sentances stink also. I am beginning to hate living here. Our culture is being eroded by the minute. We must, must start to stick up for ourselves, with or without the government.

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Lets all pile of to their countries and try the same carry on and see if we get away with it.

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Hang on can that idea the American military is already doing that.

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The saga continues.

Sixteen were people killed this weekend in Nigeria, following riots protesting against the catoons.

This follows the eleven deaths in Libya, that were sparked by the Italian reforms Minister wearing a t-shirt with one of the cartoons on.

Fifteen deaths after protests against the cartoons of Mohamed in Borneo.

Who said the pen was mightier than the sword?

An interesting side note was that according to a survey of British Muslims in the Sunday Telegraph, forty percent of those questioned, want Sharia law imposed into parts of Britain which have a Muslim majority. Expect to be stoned if you've ever committed adultry in parts of the country soon.;)

Happily according to the same survey 91% felt some loyalty to Britain, and only 1% actually backed the London bombings last July. Mind you, one percent of the one million British Muslims is still 10,000.

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Everyone should wear one of those T-shirts! Where can I get one? And pass me a crucifix.

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Roy – I accept that you have to do what you think is best for this forum and its members but don’t you see by removing that picture you are bowing to the bully. “Offend me and I will bash you”

The Muslims have got us on the run and people are fearful of speaking up in case there will be violent repercussions.

Sooner or later we are going to have to make a stand or go under. Now is as good a time as any.

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Fair enough, you go and publish the pictures on a website that has your name and address tied to it... Not a risk I am willing to take for me and my family thank you very much!

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Tsk, Tsk, it seems the Muslims are not the only ones that have their violent minority, if you two go to fight in the name of Christ, (do you remember him that guy that suggested turning the other cheek!).

We can have our own 21st century crusades, may I suggest that you start by having your very own Crystal Nacht? You can start off with the shops along Blackburn Road, but please don't be too selective there you shouldn't ignore the Chinese in their chippies they have been getting along far too peacefully in my opinion! I'll be behind you on this one, waaaaay behind and trying to get on with my next door neighbours both Muslim and Christian.