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Any thoughts on the blanket smoking ban voted for tonight? Yippee I say!

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my thoughts?....better get some patches :(

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No comment .. 'cause I smoke meself, but will now start campaign on some modern perfumes that people insist on wearing ..not all mind you, love perfume, just certain essences..which they insist on wearing , I sneeze, feel sick,stomach churns, can actually taste, light headed,short of breath, have to go outside to recover. Those swinging perfume things in cars (vanilla especially) give me what I can only describe as an asthma attack ! .. had to stop one day under ossy railway bridge, as overwhelming urge to vomit.. in company car .. had taken it out but smell lingered .. felt ill next day on 400 mile trip 'cause of this soaked smelly piece of cardboard !
That's my next campaign anyway.
Ever smelt 'Angel' ... can smell it 1/2 mile away .. even through cigarette smoke... yuk. These are damaging my health !!

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Fantastic...............................:):)

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Ok Katex, but I doubt you were at any serious risk from it. There are some perfumes I cannot stand, but have no real problem with them. Your reaction sounds like allergy. Secondary smoking kills.

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So does anaphylactic shock

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Well party round at mine, because I won't be going out as much.

It will be interesting to see if all those non-smoking party animals fill the places in the once busy pubs, now they have no excuses, once all the smokers have vacated.

Yeah, right.

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Beg to differ .. am at serious risk here .. alllergies are serious and can kill, and I certainly feel like my number is up when I breathe (or not breathe) in these perfumes.
Not going into the smoking issues now, the problem can be overcome with no harm to anyone with modern air-extractors, but non-smokers do not wish to hear this.

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2006 versus 2007.

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i dont smoke.. but in my oppinion car fumes are much much worse... :engsmil:

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I've had it!

I am severley atopic and have allergic asthma.

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the only problem i have with this is what am i going to do with my othr hand when drinking

i dont think my other nasty habbit will go down too well in the stag :o

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Why? It's full of self abusers.;)


(Note to self- never go into a pub with a smoking blanket.)

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According to some sources, you always go down well in the Stag….:D

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Not quite true.

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See, she can't hear you.:D

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I've never smoked a blanket. What are they like?

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I've chased the dragon, and tried to roll a poncho into a spliff, but I've never smoked a blanket either.

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katex & phylum im with you both having suffered allergies since i was 19yrs old. had a very bad do in my car (no smellies in car) 2 weeks ago on my own .....no in haler with me . as far as the blanket smoking goes .it WILL be implemented......but i don't think that many people will give up smoking ....i for 1 would give up drinking first.

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I've done one, not the other.

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I'm a smoker but I'm not overly bothered about this blanket ban, I've been meaning to give up for a while so it might give me the kick up the arse I need. The main time I would miss having a cigarette is when I'm sat in the pub having a beer but if no-one else is able to have one it should make it easier.

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I thought it was only pubs that had food on that the ban coverd ? as the stag dont have food on you can still smoke in there although i have not smoked for 4 months now it dont bother me when people smoke even at a accyweb meeting when its full of smoke i can do without.
i have smoked for over 35 years but hopfully have now stopped

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I'm afraid not, the exemption was not granted neither was private clubs. This could be a bit embarrassing for the goverment as I can see everyone just carrying on as normal. The prisons are already full, they can fine people all they like but if they don't pay what are they going to do?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4714992.stm

Nanny state has finally gone mad(and I'm a non smoker)

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Thanks entwisi it wont really bother me but i know a lot of people whe wont like it .

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Don't worry about it, here have a fag you'll soon feel better.:joint:

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It's the best I could come up with between coughing, wheezing and lighting up!

By the way you have spelt your name wrong, the correct spelling for what your named after is ......

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Lol!....not so much these days.

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There are lots of things we can't do in this country, why does this make us a nanny state?

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cigrette smoke is good at masking over other smells..

i cant wait to see the looks on these fussy bastards faces when they realise that people fart in pubs too :D

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Yes, they do, but like the old miners lamp at least your ciggy lets you know when the gas is around it changes from a red glow to a greeny yellow flame!
:s_fmad:

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It's yet another example of Big Brother. The studies on passive smoking are seriously flawed - but of course one should only quote the stats that suit. I am all in favour of bars and pubs having no-smoking areas wherever possible, but there should still be a choice. There will be a backlash - how are they ever going to enforce it? - an already overstretched police force checking pubs for smokers? I doubt they can enforce a ban in private members clubs anyway. What price my office? - my boss chain smokes cigars. He owns the building. He owns the firm. What right has anyone to tell him what he can do in his own premises?

I have on three occasions almost died from allergic asthma due to plain ordinary table polish - and I am not exaggerating. I do worry if I am in a pub/bar and someone comes along with a polish spray or atomiser to wipe a table. Each time it has happened the reaction has got worse and the onset more rapid. I carry steriods permanently just in case, as well as an inhaler. I have to ask people not to use Pledge for at least 12 hours before I visit them.

For the first time, I find I may well be grateful for the swinging Human Rights legislation.

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P.S. For 2007 read "1984"!

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Supposedly from summer 2007 there will be £50 on the spot fines for members of the public caught smoking in pubs, and fines ranging from £2,000-£5,000 for the landlords that allow people to smoke on their premises.

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Yes, but how are they going to enforce it? Who is going to check? Will the landlord throw out smokers? - or is he expected to collect the £50 and pass it on? You can't get a policeman if you're burgled - it will be even more difficult when they're all in plain clothes, haunting pubs in the hope of finding a backslider!

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There'll probably be a free hotline number you can call.

All the non-smokers that'll now be thronging the pubs, will just be able to snap you on their mobile phones having a ciggie, phone through your picture, and claim their community action reward.:p

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Where does all this leave Beagles?

Will they still be able to smoke at work?

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I'm a non-smoker so I suppose I should be grateful that they've banned smoking in pubs but I'm not really. I think it's a slightly over the top solution to the problem - yes, pubs should have non-smoking sections but to ban it altogether is unecessary and unmanageable.

I don't go to many pubs these days but I certainly never object when people light up - I can always go and sit somewhere else. Definitely over the top and could be damaging to the pub trade.

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Originally Posted by pendy
Yes, but how are they going to enforce it? Who is going to check? Will the landlord throw out smokers? - or is he expected to collect the £50 and pass it on? You can't get a policeman if you're burgled - it will be even more difficult when they're all in plain clothes, haunting pubs in the hope of finding a backslider!


Yet again they are putting the landlord under pressure (as if he doesn't have enough to cope with), a £200 fine for not displaying a no smoking sign & I think it's a £2,500 fine if he doesn't enforce the no smoking policy!

Good-bye staggers been nice knowing you, if the strain of no smoking doesn't kill you the fines will starve you to death!
:mad:

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seems we've got a resident pete doherty on AW! ;)

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Having skimmed the posts I agree that if a non smoker doesnt want to be in a pub, club etc that has smokers then fair do's the same for those that have allergies. On the other hand the smokers should be able to smoke if they want. The only answer is that smokers go to a boozer that allows smoking and non smokers to a boozer that dosnt allow smoking. The biggest loser in all this will be licencee's as smokers will be more inclined to stay at home.

Does anyone know an aproximate percentage of smokers to non smokers in a pub? Only ask because in a democracy is it not the majority that wins?
Do the MP's who voted in this know what their constituants wanted? Is it a true democracy or are we in a democracy determined by whims of the day?

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Even when they are killing the minority, who, ordinarily would live a lot longer?

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unless you drink in a smokey pub every day and for long periods of time i hightly doubt you will get cancer from a few hours breathing diluted passive smoke

anyway this law is going to be about as effective as the no mobile phone while driving law

now thats a law thats been enforced a lot

i am currently in the process of trying to give up but hell would freeze over before i told somone not to smoke near me unless i was in my own home where i feel i have the right to ask

as for people with alergies to smoke well tough luck ime alergic to cats and they havnt been banned so why should your alergies be taken into consideration over mine

ime surprised roy castle hasnt been mentioned yet..

well that sod wasnt content with breathing in smoke like everyone else and went on to use a trumpet to suck in more the greedy git and then had the nerve to whine about it when he got cancer

roy castle dead from 20 trumpets a day , now thats a record breaker :D

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The majority could just as easily be non smokers. In which case the smokers being the minority are being persicuted the same as if the non smokers were the minority. Its such an imotive and heat argument that there are no winners just loosers in some cases.

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less cigrettes been smoked = less revenue for the government = higher tax on petrol

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Dont forget income tax N.I and stealth taxes.

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Less money spent on 1/5 hospitalised with smoking related disease.

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you mean i am paying for a big black airoplane as well :mad:

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actualy the cost of treating smoking related ilnesses is a lot less than the revenue generated from the tax on cigrettes

the government makes quite a lot of proffit from smokers

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The only way to have a safe journey. If you are chase for smoking in the boozer you jump in one and woosh gone like a f##t on fire. :D

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its just a pity they dont come down as hard on drug addicts , them sods dont even pay tax on their stuff :mad:

and they cause more harm to people than smoking ever will

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Hehehe, if 1/5 people are hospitalised with smoking related diseases, what are the other 4/5 hospitalised with???

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Drink problems

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Nearly every pub licensee I know smokes!

This law is farcical, not to say that it's riding roughshod over human rights. The government has not yet made tobacco an illegal substance and, due to the amount of revenue it generates, they are unlikely to do so. They are, therefore, placing a ban on a legal activity.

Without commenting on the effects of "passive" smoking, a subject I believe is vastly overstated, I find the accepted medical stance that "too many people die/use up NHS Resources through smoking-related illness" nonsensical. Are we to understand that all non-smokers are presumed disease-free? I haven't noticed an absence of death amongst the non-smoking population.

The logical, fair and reasonable solution would have been a law which enforced non-smoking areas in all licenced establishments. I speak as a former smoker who gave up for purely economic reasons.

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most cancers arnt even smoking related

mine wasnt :p

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Smoker's in my experience, will always say , what about this or that? Always looking for something more harmful or disgusting to offer as prevarication. I am totally surprised pollution has not been used yet. Smoking bans are happening worldwide. It is not just here that the dangers of passive smoking are being, at long last, dealt with.


Oh, Roy Castle.

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If passive smoking is bad then how come there is ajust as big or not bigger percentage of non smokers with chest illnesses here in Grangemouth? Does this mean I could fight to have the refinery and chemical industries banned from here because of this?

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Deaths caused by smoking are five times higher than the 22,833 deaths arising from: traffic accidents (3,439); poisoning and overdose (881); alcoholic liver disease (5,121); other accidental deaths (8,579); murder and manslaughter (513); suicide (4,066); and HIV infection (234) in the UK during 2002. 7 World-wide, almost 5 million die prematurely each year as a result of smoking. Based on current trends, this will rise to 10 million within 20 years. [8]

Curtesy ASH

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non smokers are the lucky ones , not only do i have to breath in my own smoke but i have to breath in everyone elses and i might add other peoples smoke is not usualy the same brand as mine which can cause me throat irritation :mad:

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I always thought you were very intelligent lettie, the answer is obviously non-smoking related diseases :D

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Very tempted, but I am not doing bad taste anymore.

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Oh look, a non-smoker quoting something harmful or disgusting
What's up you running out of steam?

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Bored more like. I know smokers are totally un-turnable. I am actually a whole lot worse than a non-smoker.

I'm an ex-smoker!

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but a lot of ex smokers think its a bad idea and ex smokers are usualy teh ones on the largest soap box's

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I think one is stating the bleedin' obvious!

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Yes and some of them are like people that have just found religion are, very intolerant of other peoples weaknesses and views.

If we don't follow your banner then we must be completley wrong!

The fact that you are an ex-smoker will I trust be keeping you awake at night worrying because you have probably already harmed your own body, so if you do get the big 'C' you have no-one to blame but yourself!

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bit of a thread wander..

anyone who decides to give up after this new law a handy tip is to get your nicorette stuff on prescription

a box of nicorette gum 105 pieces can cost over £10 per box

doctor will usualy prescribe 2 or more box's for the fee of a prescription which as far as i know is under £10

probably works out cheaper on patches and inhalers etc as well

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I have not smoked in 20 years, therefore any damage done is now healed. If I get the big C, it will be because of my genes, I come from 4 generations of it.

I have never once blamed smokers for my asthma/allergies. They started when I became pregnant. It is very common that they start then. Incedently, cigarette smoke does not affect my asthma at all.

I don't care that you smoke, not one bit. I do care that you get to do it around me. Thankfully, that won't be such a problem after next summer.

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This was about the air extractors which I heard someone talking about on radio t'other morning ... can only go by what the experts tell us, can't I ? .. that they now good enough to take away the smoke and eleviate this problem.
Sorry digressed onto perfumes Phylum, wasn't fair to throw in a Red Herring like that ..will try and stick to the thread.
To me, it's just this human nature thing about being 'grouping' animals; those that do and those that don't, those that are fat and those that are slim, some worship one God, some worship another, some drive cars that release more fumes then others, can always see in your workplace in a small way, clicks,etc., (but all aggresively opposed to the other).. could go on and on.
When this is resolved in which ever way .. another hatred of one group will take over against another .. 'wanna be in your gang syndrome'.
Tell ya' what though patio heater sales are gonna' grow, so go out and get one now folks, before there is a shortage or double the price !!:eek:

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Suppose it's not to bad if i'm on a pub crawl as i can have one in between pubs. But if i'm sat in one pub all night i gather i shall be making a lot of new friends, as we'll all be stood outside having a ciggie. Either that or give up.

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They had extractors where I used to work. They did make a difference. With them running you could just about see the other side of the smoking room. The walls still turned brown and everyone who spend more than 30 seconds in there smelt like they had smoked 20 themselves.

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I must say im glad its come about.

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i recomend all pubs reduce the public bar area to as little as possible

convert the rest of the pub into one big room and class it as the landlords living room

if you dont like smoking stay in the bar area and teh rest of us can take our drinks into the living room

i wonder how long it will be before we are not allowed to smoke in our own houses if we have a party

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Next week!.................

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That just about sums up why you started this thread in the first place, just so that you a venomous anti-smoker could crow about how the rights of one section of the community have been quashed, for the sake of a less tolerant part of the same community.

You and your sort couldn't just have public places that were for none smokers if there where none smoking bars I would respect that, but why should I and many, many more people have to suffer because you and your ilk won't respect the fact that if the landlord/owner allows smoking either tolerate it or go somewhere else?

Smoking for the over sixteens is still legal in this country, this and other such laws are a very cowardly way to restrict what in actual fact is my right.
I enjoy the company of a wide variety of people smokers and none smokers, if ever you should come to one of the accyweb meets I and all the other smokers will welcome you, though you might find it a little lonely if for your own sake we put you on a bench outside, we wouldn't want you to suffer from our smoke or even have to put you through passive thinking.

By the way, if you try really, really hard you might just realise that all this suffering that you are going through was caused because a few people several years ago thought that the earth was round and not flat, if they had minded their own business we might not be having this discussion.

Or maybe Sir Walter got the recipe wrong and we should be smoking potato's and boiling tobbacco?

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not being nasty or anything but the stag is my house? what about me and my familiy? do we just up and leave because people want to smoke?

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No wouldnt think of it.

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Who's suffering? The only suffering I'm doing is itching to get back to work after half term....................

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its only a pretend living room ;)

ps:

dosnt your dad smoke or does he only do it in the pub part..?

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I do apologise I thought I was talking to someone old enough to hold down a full time proper job!
:D

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Sorry, no. I'm only 52.

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yeah he smokes, and you can tell in the morning as soon as he wakes up. very worried about him but he wont listen. smokers have got to realise its not just them selves that there putting at risk but loved ones too.

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Well, three more years then you can take early retirement and steal someone else's job to subsidise your pension, let me know when it happens then you can let me know how the novelty of working for a living suits you.
:thumbsup::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38: :worthy::smoky:

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I'm not sure, but I think you think I'm a teacher. I'm not. But I do work in the oldest school in the country, which is also one of the top schools. The teachers there, and in both the other schools I have worked, work damned hard. I haven't stollen, nor will I ever steal anything.

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I bet you pretend that you've never lied as well, well as absolutly rivviting as this little aside has been, I think it's time we reminded ourselves what you started this gloating thread for.

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We were told that Tenerife would have a complete ban on smoking in bars as from the first of January this year. We went off for a beer or four on New Year's Day, fully expecting to have to go outside for a smoke. However, it turned out that the smaller bars can make a choice, smoking or no smoking and the larger ones are allowed a no smoking area. Not a problem with that I think.

Under eighteens aren't allowed to buy tobacco in any form and parents of young children are warned of the dangers should they stray into a bar which allows smoking. Each bar has, by law, to display a sign outside declaring their smoking policy. The bar owners know where their trade comes from and make their choice accordingly.

It may change as time goes on but I do feel that this arrangement is fair. I am a smoker and do like to have a ciggie when I'm drinking so why should I be turned outside!!

As I pay around a Euro for a packet of ciggies here, compared to a fiver a packet in England, how much revenue do the British Goverment take from smokers in the UK? If truth were known it probably runs the Health Service!

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it does and theres that much left over we treat people from other countries for free as well :rolleyes:

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Well, the figures, which surprise me are:

Smoking, cost to NHS each year: 1.7 billion
Tax gained from smokers : 9 billion

I got then here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...st/4006081.stm

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i think you meant Billion not million ;)

like i said theres good proffit from smokers i dont see why they are so determined to pi$$ us off even more

granted ime trying to give up so i wont be one of the US's for long hopefully but non the less why bite the hand that feeds you

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All the tax they are going to loose on people smoking less has got to come from somewhere so whats going to go up more on petrol,road tax,and booze.
and when they bring this law in they will hammer the tax on fags and tabacco

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W.H.O. projections of Healthy Life Expectancy (source World Health Organisation).

Japan 75.0 (years)
France 72.0
UK 70.6
USA 69.3
Brazil 59.8
Philippines 59.3
Pakistan 53.3
Iraq 50.1
Ethiopia 41.2
Mozambique 36.9
Zimbabwe 33.6


France is looking the more and more civilised option.:mad:

Not only can you fill your arteries with loads of calorfically laden creamy sauces, washed down by bottle after bottle of wine, whilst smoking everywhere from restaurants to your health spa. Happy in the knowledge that you'll live longer than your nannied cousins across the English Channel, by on average a year and a half.:eek:

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Wash your mouth out with soap!!

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But it's in Blackburn :(

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Would you like a ticket..........:D

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Don't worry there will always be weak willed people who will fall foul of the evil weed and keep out income tax down.

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Ooops, second oldest. It's in Cambridgeshire. The oldest is in Kent.

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How much is a ride to France on an exocet?

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/m...39missle-s.jpg

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As a non smoker of 9 months , I am all for the ban on smoking in public places. Only since giving up the weed, have I noticed how my clothes stink when I come in from the pub. It's costing me more in Persil than I spent on fags !!!!
Jelly baby

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Ok here goes. I smoke and i went to Dublin last year for the weekend. I preferred the pubs being non smoking. If you wanted a ciggie you went outside and some of the pubs had smoking areas with patio heaters and parasols outside well one had a smoking area on the roof! I didnt smoke as many cigs because i went in January and it was flipping freezing! When i was there though i was talking to some people and they told me that the smoking ban was policed in Dublin but if you went out into the countryside and the little pubs and bars you could still smoke in them well the ones that were still open that is. A lot of pubs and bars went under because of the smoking ban. Wonder if thats going to happen here? I've been out tonight though and i couldnt smoke in the pub i was in there was notices on the bar no smoking and so i went outside.