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Madhatter 08-07-2006 00:18

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Thank you for your e mail.It may well be worth setting up a small committee of interested parties to consider what appropriate actions we can take. I would be happy to arrange a meeting for the early autumn. If you would like to be part of that committee please contact my office on 380165 and I will ensure you receive an invite to attend.If you know others who may be interested please let meknow. Kind Regards
Peter Britcliffe

This goes from taking suggestions put on here of a group, to starting that group, setting a date for a meeting and then inviting accywebbers on to that group. All within one paragraph.

I think the best idea is to set up a seperate independant group to work with the council, not a group set up by the council inviting you to join. Especially one started by someone who blocks something because he doesn't like it, and then repeats it after twisting it to try to get votes.

Neil 08-07-2006 06:34

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Originally Posted by Madhatter
I think the best idea is to set up a seperate independant group to work with the council, not a group set up by the council inviting you to join. Especially one started by someone who blocks something because he doesn't like it, and then repeats it after twisting it to try to get votes.

An interesting point but you need to work with HBC if you want to do something on their land. HBC would never give a committee the chance to do whatever they want on their land. HBC could always block what a committee decided on anyway.

Gayle 08-07-2006 08:19

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I've got to agree with Neil on this one. It's on HBC land and they should be leading the renovation. It's great if they want to form a group to look at ideas but ultimately the responsibility for cleaning it up or replacing it should come from them. They could have some spare cash around to do the work rather than having to apply for funding, etc.

Plus, if you don't work with them then HBC could block any ideas you have.

Gayle 08-07-2006 08:47

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Originally Posted by Gayle
HBC put a big fat zero into MPA last year. As for what they got out of us - I don't know figures but as far as project go there's The Enchanted Woodland at Arden Hall, the Mela and Community Festival, work at Within Grove, a major conference that we held at the Dunkenhalgh for teachers, a conference held at the Hope Centre for pupils, Talking Shop, lots of subsidised workshops in schools plus other stuff.

Some of the projects had outside funding that Mid Pennine Arts applied for so not all of the funding came from Mid Pennine Arts if you want to be pedantic but the projects happened because of MPA.

Talking Shop is an exception because HBC are putting a small proportion into it this year but they are putting the money in solely for that one project and it is funded from one specific department of HBC.


Forgot to add one additional very important point. They also pay me a salary which I spend a good portion of in this area. So I think it's safe to say that HBC get more out of MPA than they put in.

Madhatter 08-07-2006 15:34

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Well your council has a very strange negative way of working in my opinion. A group should be independent and work together with the council, not be run by the council. You can say an independent group can be blocked by the council, but a group run by the council is a waste of time because only ideas that they will agree with will get discussed and put into action. A member of the council can be on it as a representative of the council if it's voted for them to be by the council, or they can be individuals. but as far as I know councils and councilors shouldn't be putting themselves on committees, or starting them, it starts allegations such as corruption and wasting taxpayers money.

Madhatter 08-07-2006 15:36

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It also sounds like your happy for the monument to be just cleaned up, rather than added to to mark the event.
As gayle is so against panoptican being bought into this, is there any other funding that could be applied for to improve the area and add new interest.

claytonender 08-07-2006 17:16

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Originally Posted by g jones
Yes I initiated the Friends of Arden Hall and was the chair. They are doing fine now so I am just on the committee now. We don't cover the coppice. However some of cross over to the Regional Park thing which is a bit of a mess with the Council (i.e. dont know what they are doing except repeat Panopticon as often as possible to gain votes)

As I understand opinion in the area, people want to see better facilities like you would find in any counbtry park. Clearly marked information boards, improved paths catering for all. Maybe one or two without steps to allow wheeled access (disabled, police, council cleansing collection if bins etc..). Good access areas (better bike or car parking facilities at several entrance points). A Park Ranger or 2. Some stopping off points (vandal proof if thats possible). An information leaflet. Clearly marked viewing areas. Some promotional stuff to get people to come and see Accy as a great place. Any sensible sugggestions.

If you read through Graham's post, it would appear that the Coppice is part of the Regional Park, and people alraedy want to see better facilities. As the Peel monument is on the Coppice it would make sense to try to include the renovations in any bids for funding for the Counrty Park area of the Coppice. But this would have to be explored and put to the committee. It would be an even more fitting way to mark the Centenary of Peel Park, both to have the memorial renovated, and to have it become a 'Park for the 21st Century' catering for the needs of the many people who want to use it, with access for the disabled as well.

g jones 08-07-2006 18:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Madhatter
I think the best idea is to set up a seperate independant group to work with the council, not a group set up by the council inviting you to join. Especially one started by someone who blocks something because he doesn't like it, and then repeats it after twisting it to try to get votes.

I know how you feel and if you do anything for the good of Hyndburn, stick with this philosophy.

SPUGGIE J 08-07-2006 18:52

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Do the people of Accy have a solution to this? Have they been asked for an opinion or sugestion? Its part of our heritage and as such should be treated as part of it and not as a lump on that thar hill!

Madhatter 08-07-2006 21:10

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well as it doesn't look like the panoptican people are interested in it being one, The options are, with whatever comittee is set up,
1 renovate it to the standard it was in. don't know who'd pay, your all assuming hbc would.
2 get funding to do as much as you can with the site.

Depending on what you do up there you could get all sorts of funding.

you could do something up there that could have carvings on standing stones depicting scenes of accy now, around the half of the monument furthest from the shelter which is it's main viewing point. If you put round stones balls on the opposite side it would represent time you could then have a path to the shelter representing hands. The monument at the centre but put on a higher plinth. all lit up at night with spots so it could be seen from the main road. Would be good for the blind too as it would be very tactile with the different shapes and textures. Renovate the shelter, get rid of the graffiti. The inscriptions would be representative of accy life since the monument was put up, you've got four sides of six monoliths. accweb would of course have to go on.

Gayle 08-07-2006 21:30

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Options

http://www.biglotteryfund.org.uk/pro...20for%20People

or

http://www.hlf.org.uk/English/AboutUs/

claytonender 08-07-2006 21:58

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Just had a quick look at these two web Links, Gayle has given us, the lottery 'parks for people' appears to have closing date for applications of 30 September 2006. So something needs to be started quickly, if this deadline is going to be met.


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