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body language is crucial when confronted by an aggressive dog.
heres what to do if you are confronted:
:: Do not make eye contact. Turn you head away slightly from the dog.
:: Lick lips and yawn.
:: Do not run or scream - "it will stimulate the dog's predatory instinct".
:: Make yourself as small as possible.

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I agree with that!

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I've been bitten twice in my lifetime. Once was a bullmastiff, nearly as tall as me, which clamped my upper arm in its jaws and caused tremendous swelling before it let go - and walked away as if nothing had happened. The other time, I had several sizeable punctures in my left ankle by a neurotic pekingese that didn't like the look of my dog (which was on a lead at the time). Which one was the more aggressive?

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I think it's the owners of Pit Bulls who should be rounded up, and taken away in vans.

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You really are a drama queen arnt you..... You should get a job for one of the cheap trashy tabloids.....

And you know very little about dogs too. You DRAMATICALLY say these dogs are bred for AGGRESSION.... aggression is a weakness in a dog bred for its fighting ability. Loyality is what makes a good fighting dog. the same loyalty that makes a FANTASTIC and faithfull family pet.

It is all about what you let the dog know you like....if you bang the door and tell it to get the cat in your garden, it will want too kill cats, if you introduce it to the cat nicely it will love cats...

SAME DOG different training....

Unfortunately due too street cred and the strength of pit bulls they do the most dramatic damage....

I remember researching a few years ago and finding that the dog that is responsible for the most biting instances on kids was the Golden Labrador....sorry but cant remember where....

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it was 2 boys and 2 girls that were attacked by the staffy dog,owner was traced and she said that she hadnt seen the dog since new yrs day,she should have reported it missing and that the dog was aggressive but she didnt and has now had the dog put down but she seems to have gotten away with any charges so far but i will tell more when i hear the local news tonight

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I was being over dramatic?

Well I accuse you of being too simple to see the problem then.

Yes, these dogs can be well trained, though even that is no guarantee that they would never act out of character, and attack, or perhaps kill a child.

This doesn't take into account all the arse wipes of society, like this poor child's uncle, who have these dogs as a status symbol, and don't train them well, as has been tragically witnessed many times.

If I ever were to lower myself to write for a tabloid, I hope to God I'd never have to write about one of these dogs that wasn't controlled properly, running down from Rhyddings Park and attacking a child in your street Simon. Think about it. Are you happy with basically idiots having something that could attack a child, any child, on the streets? Sorry but I'm not.

It doesn't take much for any creature to revert to it's feral state, mankind included.

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i was attacked by a dog once it was a collie i found it in spring hill took it home because it was limping went to give it some food opened the can of dog food and it attacked me,pierced my hands i droped the tin and it must have been hungry as it ate the food then my mum phoned police to come and get it,this was in 90/91

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I agree all badly trained dogs, of any breed, can be dangerous, but unlikely to be fatal, which is the case all too often with these dogs.

Unless of course Simon remembers, and can post details of the killer Labrador.;)

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I have two big akita's who are my babies, they are as soft as s**t and would lick you to death rather than bite you, they both attended obedience classes and in the 3 years I have had them (since pups) they have never been anything other than perfect. Saying that I still would never trust them 100%, they are very big and powerful dogs and if they ever did turn then they could do a great deal of damage and so I treat them with respect, make sure they know who is the master and also keep a close eye on them. If people want to have big powerful dog then they must act like responsible owners and gain respect and trust from their pets, that way hopefully the dog will remain a loyal and tame pet. People who purposely breed dogs to flight are vermin and need putting down themselves, they are sick, it is cruel to the animal and as we have seen many times a danger to the community.

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I think that is a wise attitude. People wouldn't leave their kids with someone they couldn't trust 100%. A Pit Bull is no different, no matter how well trained.

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it looked really harmless though,it was a lassie type dog,i think there called border collies

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We must remember that if most dogs bit a child a reasonably active adult could rescue that child.

This poor girl's grandmother is still in hospital as well. Too ill even to answer police questions yet.

This attack wasn't a nip on the ankle, it resulted in the death of a five year old child, and the hospitalisaton of a grown woman.

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Labrador bites.

http://www.understand-a-bull.com/BSL...attack2006.pdf

A strange one

http://www.understand-a-bull.com/BSL...dordec2006.pdf

Another

http://www.understand-a-bull.com/BSL...attack1206.pdf

More
http://www.understand-a-bull.com/BSL.../lab092006.pdf

http://www.understand-a-bull.com/BSL.../lab092006.pdf

Now I could probably go on with a lot more bite incidents for lab, lab x, any dog can be a danger to a child, adult, the main thing regardless of breed is the upbringing of the animal and the owners knowledge of his/her dog.

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Various attacks by other breeds, and a man dieing after being 'nipped' on the thumb by a Labrador and an infection developing, doesn't lessen the argument about freakin' ass wipes having these dogs.

Why so defensive?

What's your dog?

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http://content.answers.com/main/cont...300px-Chav.jpg
http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thu..._addiction.jpg
http://www.nokillnow.com/pitbull-inside.jpg

Sweet.

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I am a firm believer that there is no such thing as a bad dog, but only bad dog owners.
over the centuries man has bred different dogs for different working tasks and yes some of these breeds are fighters however a well trained "dangerous dog" can make a very loving pet but ALL dogs, no matter what the breed have the potential to turn nasty whether this be through poor treatment or poor management ie. animal instincts taking over.
my old dog jethro was 12 stone of pure rottweiler muscle but he was well trained. He knew who was boss and responded to command instantly, he was loving and faithful yet he knew his job and his place. I respected him and he respected me.
and when it comes to potentially dangerous dogs that is a major key to success. The respect from the owner of the potential danger. Although i considered jethro to be well trained i still did not trust him 100%
and unfortunateley whilst any idiot can go and own dogs like these who don't know what they are doing and believe that the dog is just there to boost theie ever growing ego we will continue to see appalling stories like this in the news.
It is high time that the dog licence was reintroduced.

but please....
don't blame the dog....... Blame the owner!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Well said, you have the experience of keeping large dogs, and the good sense to be carefull how you handle them, more power to your elbow.

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thought i'd better add before anyone decides to tar me with the same brush
i didnt purposely get a rottweiler i rescued him from a bad owner!!!

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As you say, it's bad owners, not bad dogs that are the problem.

You not being one of them.

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Im not being defensive, just stating, pointing out other facts.

Ass wipes can as easly get a knife, gun, crossbow, sword which could also cause harm.

Ass Wipes could leave nasty pills lying around that kids could eat upon.

You cannot (IMO) say that a breed of dog will do one thing only, its the upbringing of the dog in question.

My point has been that you cannot blame a breed of dog because 'ass wipes' may own them.

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Yes but pills, guns, knives, crossbows etc., can't escape through a hole in the fence, or sneak out of the room whilst the said ass wipe is asleep or off his t*ts, and kill a child, can they?

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we had case a few years back relating to dangerous dogs , see attached for details ....http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/Whipple.html

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No but a bag of pills shared between friends could kill a few. Lets say the Child took a bag of pills to school and shared them out as sweets?

Most of the points I make can be backed up by hard FACTS.

All you seem to do is tar every thing with one brush and its obvious you have a hatred and very little knowledge of dogs.

Do you work for the Press?

Please have a little read on dogs, written by DOG experts not people trying to sell a news paper. Then come back and argue your FACTS.

Oh and as for your love of Smack Head picture's, saying these are the ones who have the 'Pit Bull'. How could a Smack Head afford a Dog, he would probably sell it? Steriotypical.

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As mad as it sounds, 2 days ago I was bitten on the back of the leg by a dog.

This was not a 'Dangerous Dog' breed it was a cross from what I would say a Spaniel (SP) Sort.

The dog was left in a pub door way whilst its owner was having a drink of BEER, as I have run past the door way it has run out and bit my leg.

There was Blood but not a lot, the dog Bit & Run so to speak.

This was not a dog that you would think would attack you (I personally am carefull of all dogs) but it did.

I blame the Owner not the Dog.

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Seems to mee the dog was a bit peed of Mr D and used you as the target for its frustration. Just shows how much the owner cared about the dog in so much as a quick beer was mor important than his dog. Sue the owner!

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Totally the owners fault, idiots both of them as they where a couple.

On confrontation I asked them what they was going to do and I got the impression they didnt give a sh*t, I asked them to make sure that they kept there dog under better control as if I was a child it could of been a nasty situation.

But they where just drunk and didnt show much interest.

I was in a bit of shock as I should of rung the police immediatly, but didnt went home first, then went back to the pub as I had to take this further but they where gone. So no point in reporting to police really, then to hospital for a tetnas (SP).

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The only facts I'm interested in are that in the last six months in the UK, two innocent children have been attacked and killed by these dogs. FACT.

As for your poorly thought out analogy between these dogs and drugs, (notice you dropped your comparisson with guns, knives etc.) do remember that this is the dog of choice for most drug pushers, at least around here. Although concerned about any unfortunate children that may live with them, I'm more worried about the children in the neighbourhood of these dogs, all of whom are at risk if the dog is badly trained.

You still didn't answer my question.

Do you have one of these dogs?

Funny how the people who are defending them haven't said they have one. How can they possibly know so much about them, and their safety?

No, and I'm not a journalist. Doh.

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Not really dropped my Comparrison (SP) I could compair with a lot more than that as i look at ALL the FACTS.

Lets take cars for Example of another Killer.

I have a English Bull Mastiff.

I used to own a Staffy Cross, with my NEW BORN BABY at the time, NO trouble AT ALL. So ye I do Know what BIG POWERFULL Dogs are like. form A PERSONAL point of VIEW, not just MEDIA rubbish.

Try reading some PROFFESSIONALLS (SP) points of View.

As I have Maintained its not the BREED its the DEED, the owner makes the dog.

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Well since you don't own or have owned one of these dogs you don't know how they would react if badly trained or controlled do you?

You obviously think more of the scummy person's right to have, and use as a status symbol, these dogs, than the lives of innocent children.

Sick.

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FFS. As I've said umpteen times, I've nothing against the breed per se. It's the uncontrolled legislation that allows every little trackie wearin' scummy chav that uses them to make them feel like a man, that is the problem, and the danger, as can be seen by the recent deaths in the UK of children.

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and You Do??

Grow Up

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You do nothing but call the breed from what I have read.

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Er...no, I don't own one.

My thoughts are based purely on the scum I see in charge of these dogs, and the two recent killing by children by these dogs.

Getting aggressive now aren't you.

Going to set your dog on me?

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Rubbish.

Learn to read.

It's the ass wipes who think these dogs are a status symbol I have a problem with.

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Aggression?? Where??

Getting Childish now??:D

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I'm not getting into a slanging match with you.

I've already said my piece, which basically is that children's lives are more important than the right for unregulated ownership of these dogs.

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/pitbullDenver.pdf

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erm....now now children:Banane14:

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Classing ALL pitbull owners with one brush there?

I am not getting into a slanging match, just debating, discussing.

I have looked at your posts and I admit you do not individulise the breed as much as I though you had.

I do agree with the fact the IDIOTS should'nt be allowed to own these dogs, but that should apply to ANY DOG. not BREED BASHING.

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Well then we agree then don't we.

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It's the law regarding these dogs which needs upholding, and in some cases clarifying and changing, not the demonising of any particular dog.


http://www.dogstrust.org.uk/informat...gerousdogsact/

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We strangly do agree.:D

I understand the public outrage that a low life of society owned a dog that has caused major upset and loss to one poor family.

But I cannot allow ANY single breed of dog to be stigmatised becasue of this.

Its the Owners who should be accountable.

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[quote=***Mr D***;361317]As mad as it sounds, 2 days ago I was bitten on the back of the leg by a dog.

This was not a 'Dangerous Dog' breed it was a cross from what I would say a Spaniel (SP) Sort.

The dog was left in a pub door way whilst its owner was having a drink of BEER, as I have run past the door way it has run out and bit my leg.

That Sounds awful Mr ***D***.Hope they gave the poor dog a Tetanus Shot. Church Boy

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The latest news on the dogs impounded in St Helens and Widnes says that one had cropped ears - "a sure sign that it's been used for fighting"! I don't know a lot about dog-fighting in this country but I do know that, in America, ear-cropping (which I, personally, deplore) is quite fashionable, especially in pitbulls. For some reason the Americans treat it like we treat tail-docking (which I also deplore) and it's not a practice confined to aggressive dogs - have a close look at Scooby-Doo, he's a Great Dane with cropped ears.

The death of this poor child is terrible but, as usual, the reaction is way over the top and isn't addressing the real problem. I've had dogs all my life but I still think dog-ownership is far too easy and far too lax. It's owners who need to be controlled and it doesn't matter what the breed of dog is. You could make a Poodle into a vicious killer if you're that way inclined.

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[quote=West Ender;361460]The latest news on the dogs impounded in St Helens and Widnes says that one had cropped ears - "a sure sign that it's been used for fighting"! I don't know a lot about dog-fighting in this country but I do know that, in America, ear-cropping (which I, personally, deplore) is quite fashionable, especially in pitbulls. For some reason the Americans treat it like we treat tail-docking (which I also deplore) and it's not a practice confined to aggressive dogs - have a close look at Scooby-Doo, he's a Great Dane with cropped ears.

In Scoobies case,He decided early on in his acting career that he needed cosmetic Enhancment.Church Boy

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[quote=Church Boy;361459]ROFLMAO - Seriously.:) :rolleyes:

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Its not just down to the type of dog, but more to do with the owner after all a dog needs to know its place and has to be taught to have respect for its master. My friend had a dog it was lovely but she could not control it, the dog was in control not the owner! She would take it out on walks, if it saw a postman it would go berzerk and drag her over to the postman were it would bark uncontrollable. She seemed to think it was amusing and couldn't understand why the posties would either scarper or start yelling at her. I agree there should be a license for having a dog just as much as having a weapon. After all these animals can be trained to be killing machines! Not only that but it should be for all breeds of dogs. Also a few of you kept mentioning that it seems to be scum who own these dogs who seem to be causing the most problems. I don't agree with this statement, after all other breeds of dogs, brought up in other circumstances (ie, loving homes, middle class backgrounds) have been known to turn on children and family members. I think it is a bit harsh and rash to point the finger at a minority. Yes some of these are to blame but some so called scum who own these types of dogs. Actually love their dogs and treat them with the greatest respect! Perhaps it would be wise to look at the facts before making accusations.

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...... and a border collie before that :) The only aggression Ben ever showed was at the vets, he hated vets with a passion but I didn't socialise him to new things in his influential years as a pup, we got him from my sister in law. I can honestly say if any of my dogs showed aggression I would have them destroyed as they are of no benefit to anyone ......... but I would place the blame of the aggression in the dog firmly on my shoulders. I would regard it as I had done a bad job training that dog and would never shift the blame to it being the breed of dog.

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I don't think anyone who has referred to "scum" means any particular socio-economic group. Scum means the type that has no regard for people, animals or the law, regardless of where they live or what their income group.

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if a good responsible dog owner who has trained his dog teh propper way etc etc finds his child ripped to bits after years of faithfull friendship from teh dog does this mean that teh owner was mistaken about his treatment and training of the dog and it is his fault or will the owner face up to the reality that dogs can turn nasty no matter how well you treat them

just curious because in most of the cases where a pitbull type,staff dog etc rips a child apart the owners always swear blind that their dog was teh best dog ever and teh news usualy shows pictures of the dog playing with the child before the attack

seriously some of these cases beggar beleif , you actualy get dog owners wondering what went wrong

we only bought a dog that can lock its jaw with a vice like grip with razor sharp teeth and let it play with our children

its a bit like saying i only put a lit stick of dynamite down my pants , why did my nuts get blown off ?

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You'll often drive over the speed limit chav, do you have your kids in the car? What happens one day if you have an accident and killed those kids of yours. You'd say "you were only just over the speed limit" or "you'd done that trip a thousand times" ... excuses, excuses.

Staffies are a very loyal and loveable dog to own.

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nah i would sit him in teh drivers seat and say he was driving :D

ps:

i dont speed i just say i do to look clever

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Regarding the use of the word 'scum'.

No not all owners are, but in the latest sad case, I think the term is justified. It turns out that the girl the scummy chav turned up to lay flowers with, has had six dogs removed from behind her hairdessers. As was pointed out, one of which had docked ears, looking like it was being made ready to take part in illegal dog fights.

As for the comparisson with these dogs, that a Poodle could be trained to kill, I disagree. It could be taught to attack, sure. But remember a sixty year old woman, hardly a geriatric, is still in hospital suffering from her injuries. I presume she fought with this dog with every last drop of strength she had, to save her grandaughter from it's powerful jaws. Something that would not have happened with a Poodle.

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The Standard Poodle is about the same size and weight as a German Shepherd. It hasn't got the large jaw of a bull terrier but, believe me, theoretically it could kill a child. Even a Miniature Poodle could, if trained that way, kill a smaller animal.

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I agree any dog can be dangerous if badly trained, or indeed trained to attack.

Trust me though, if my young nephew was being attacked by a Standard Poodle, and my Mum, who is a similar age to this poor child's Granny, had to fight it out, my Mum would win. Something that obviously wasn't possible in this sad case, with this breed of dog.

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I am with West ender on this one. Hyperthatically maybe but do you actually know that for a fact? You seem to have a vision of a poodle as being a little yappy dog but you're forgetting one thing it's still an animal and all animals have some killer instinct in them. What if a poodle was cross-breed with a different breed of dog? It may still look like a poodle but would it have the same temprement?

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Like I said, if my Mum, of a similar age to this child's grandmother, had to save the life of her grandchild, from the jaws of a Standard Poodle, the dog would come of worse.

The facts don't back up your claims that other breeds of dogs have the same temprement. These dogs are killing children. Other breeds aren't. Simple.

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You hope .... :rolleyes:

You used the plural children?

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Trust me she would. Just as I know you would, if it was one of your children.

Sadly this woman wasn't given the choice, given the ferocity of this breed's attack capability. Remember she is still too ill to even be interviewed because of her injuries.

Re: plural.
Yes this is the second fatality in the UK in six months. A small child was killed, at it's granparent's pub in Leicester in the summer.

Two young lifes too many in my book, to be lost because of ignorance.

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I hope it would never would come to me having to defend my kids against the dog. They are educatedi n dog ownership, as is the dog.

I have no sympathy for that women! If the tabloids are to be believed the dog had previous violent tendencies she should not have had it in the house FULL STOP!


Was that not the 2 Rottweiler guard dogs or is that another pit bull attack?

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One afternoon last February, Guy Clairoux picked up his two-and-a half-year-old son, Jayden, from day care and walked him back to their house in the west end of Ottawa, Ontario. They were almost home. Jayden was straggling behind, and, as his father's back was turned, a pit bull jumped over a back-yard fence and lunged at Jayden. "The dog had his head in its mouth and started to do this shake," Clairoux's wife, JoAnn Hartley, said later. As she watched in horror, two more pit bulls jumped over the fence, joining in the assault. She and Clairoux came running, and he punched the first of the dogs in the head, until it dropped Jayden, and then he threw the boy toward his mother. Hartley fell on her son, protecting him with her body. "JoAnn!" Clairoux cried out, as all three dogs descended on his wife. "Cover your neck, cover your neck." A neighbor, sitting by her window, screamed for help. Her partner and a friend, Mario Gauthier, ran outside. A neighborhood boy grabbed his hockey stick and threw it to Gauthier. He began hitting one of the dogs over the head, until the stick broke. "They wouldn't stop," Gauthier said. "As soon as you'd stop, they'd attack again. I've never seen a dog go so crazy. They were like Tasmanian devils." The police came. The dogs were pulled away, and the Clairouxes and one of the rescuers were taken to the hospital. Five days later, the Ontario legislature banned the ownership of pit bulls. "Just as we wouldn't let a great white shark in a swimming pool," the province's attorney general, Michael Bryant, had said, "maybe we shouldn't have these animals on the civilized streets."

Pit bulls, descendants of the bulldogs used in the nineteenth century for bull baiting and dogfighting, have been bred for "gameness," and thus a lowered inhibition to aggression. Most dogs fight as a last resort, when staring and growling fail. A pit bull is willing to fight with little or no provocation. Pit bulls seem to have a high tolerance for pain, making it possible for them to fight to the point of exhaustion. Whereas guard dogs like German shepherds usually attempt to restrain those they perceive to be threats by biting and holding, pit bulls try to inflict the maximum amount of damage on an opponent. They bite, hold, shake, and tear. They don't growl or assume an aggressive facial expression as warning. They just attack. "They are often insensitive to behaviors that usually stop aggression," one scientific review of the breed states. "For example, dogs not bred for fighting usually display defeat in combat by rolling over and exposing a light underside. On several occasions, pit bulls have been reported to disembowel dogs offering this signal of submission." In epidemiological studies of dog bites, the pit bull is overrepresented among dogs known to have seriously injured or killed human beings, and, as a result, pit bulls have been banned or restricted in several Western European countries, China, and numerous cities and municipalities across North America. Pit bulls are dangerous.





Not an account of an attack on a UK child, buy hey, a child's a child wherever.

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[quote=Tinkerbelle;361919]I hope it would never would come to me having to defend my kids against the dog. They are educatedi n dog ownership, as is the dog.



Your dogs aren't Pit Bulls, but that's not my point. Children could be walking to school or playing out, and one of these dogs, owned by some dozey scrote, who sees it as a status symbol and hasn't trained it properly, could escape through a broken fence and attack any child.

Like I've seemed to have said over and over again, my problem isn't with any particular dog, or even breed. As has been pointed out by others all badly trained dogs can be very dangerous, it's with the loop holes in the legislation, that allows idiots to use these dogs to bolster their weak little egos, that worries me.

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That would be all dogs then.

You say you problem isnt with any particular breed, but yet you keep mentioning 'Pit Bull'.

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No, but wasn't my breed of dog that I've just chosen to buy branded as a killer not many moons ago.

I agree wholeheartedly with the t*ssers that use a dog as a status symbol.

The laws are there in place regarding pit bull type dogs, they just need to be enforced.

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Partly because there are literally hundeds of them illegally in the hands on idiots, like this poor girl's uncle.

The law needs upholding or tightening.

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Again, we agree.

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Most of them you will find are not pit bulls though. they are staff cross breeds.

Usually with bigger dogs like, rottys, mastiffs, boxers.

Its just the media get a wider audiance when the use the word Pit Bull.

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Do we agree All dogs can Bite.

It all depends on what it is biting to how much damage it can cause.

No dog really has the strongest jaws.

If a law is to be tightened its for ALL breeds of dog or just for dog ownership in gereral.

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I'm sorry but on a lighter note how do these dogs manage to breed? One of my kids asked today what she does if the staffie next door tries to mate Gabbie ....... I just said " what ever you do don't pick the staffie up to lend a helping hand" :eek:

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But this dog breed is illegal, if it's unregistered, which older dogs could be before the legislation was brought in. The law needs upholding.

As for this low life, drug dealing scum, it just gets better. Apparently he's recently been fined for driving without insurance.

A fine upstanding member of the community to be in charge of such a dog.


http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007000403,00.html

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You be supprised what a dog in heat is capable of.:D

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when i lived in ossy years ago and my mum used to live up the merlin drive area and i lived close to fielding lane i had to walk up by the flats towards merlin from stonebridge lane and there used to be a mongrel outside one of the flats and it was the most vicious nasty tempered dog ive ever come across even to the extent i stopped walking to my mums , I was aware it had bitten before but never gave it a thought till one day it went for me when i had my son with me , my so was so frightened and watched in horror as it bit my leg . When i got to my mums i reported the dog and all the owner was told were to keep it inside or tied up ...she never did.. until it bit a child and only then was it put down (i think)but it dissapeared ..but it took months after it bit me till something was done and that was only because a child were involved ..but like i say it was years ago and laws have changed but my point is this wasnt classed as a dangerous dog, it was just a ..what most would call a family mixed breed dog .. but non the less still very dangerous and capable of doing damage ..thankfully to me only a small bite on the leg and from what i rem to the child not too serious but even so it attacked and any dog who attacks or even threatens to attack should be dealt with immediately no matter what breed ..

I have a dog myself and it knows its place . even with the kids it knows they are incharge and what they say goes and he is a lovely family pet very loyal ,loving and devoted but i still would not leave him alone in a room with a toddler

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You will see thousands of dogs that could look like a pit pull but arnt.

If the guy had a Rotty, mastiff, great dane, dobermain that he trained to attack would it be any differnt?

Driving with out Insurance, just look in the observer to see at least 3 a week, unfortunatly it is to comman practace, the introduction of the MID will help reduce this though.

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all this talk about what is and what isnt a pit bull , reminds me of the Judge who said he could not define pornography , but knew it when he saw it.
:confused: :confused:

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LOL! Let's see if he fancies an irate mother in law with a paternity suite in hand if he goes any were near my little girl :D

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That's one reason I've refrained from using the words Pit Bull too often, is that the law is again indistinct on this area of what type of dogs are illegal.

As for driving without insurance being ok because it's widely practised, it's not. They are scum too, and I would bang them up, rather than issue a fine less than actual insurance itself.

The law in both cases is an ass.

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An account of living in New York, where dogs are also not licenced.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/9_2_scared_of_pit.html

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Funnly most people probably dont know what a pit bull looks like.

http://www.understand-a-bull.com/Fin...itbull_v3.html

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Rind your preaching American law. It has more flaws than ours what do you expect?

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I think you definetly are jumping to conclusions here Garinda. Lets face it, this was a fatal incident but how many case are there of owners who have kept the dogs when they have snapped or nipped at any child or adult (fair enough not to the extinct of this attack, at least not on this occasion) but once a dog even turns on any human child or adult there should be no questions asked no matter how much the dog is loved it should be put down. Perhaps if owners put others before their own feelings then perhaps some of these fatal incidents could be avoided all together!

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What would you suggest should be done.

I never said driving without insurance is ok.:confused:

The law is to lenient on uninsured motorists I agree, but the belt is tightening.

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The account shows how the laws here are being flouted, and the dangers that opens up here too, both here and in the US.

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Bring back dog licences for a start, and make people more responsible for the good training and behaviour of their dogs, and make sure the law is upheld.

The same sort of stringent measures as gun control really.

I don't want chav scum to have guns, and I don't want them having dangerous dogs, purely because of their status.

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but dog licenses didnt work the first time round why should they work now .. local authorities just dont keep up with the system

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Yes, and it sucks! The only thing is no matter how how much the law is enforced I think the 'scum' element of society will always breed potential killers. They will find ways to flout and find loop holes in our Dangerous Dog Act. Today it's pit bulls but what breed or hybrid will be next?

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We could always throw all the people driving without insurance and all owners of pit bull's in to a big pit and see who come's out fighting! As our prisons are already overcrowded; Or maybe it would be wiser to eduacate people on the facts, surrounding the reasons behind these types of dogs being banned. As well as the seriousness and effects of driving without insurance has on others, not to mention putting the insurance prices up for the ones who do actually pay insurance. After all it is the ones who obey the rules who are penalised (that seems really fair to me!)

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Its a bit like cock fighting its illegal but still happens and is widespread ..it wont go away niether will the scums that breed and keep such dogs for same reason .unfortunately chavs seem to think its trendy and macho to keep these animals and then beat them to a pulp when the dog bites them

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That will be the Wolf then.:eek:

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Maybe educate people more on dogs in general, not again just target the banned breeds.

Insurance well thats another debate.:D

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Drugs and cash confiscated from the home where this poor child's uncle lived.

Scum.

He should be imprisoned.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...000/article.do

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Dog licences - useless. Under the old system you had to have one but who ever checked up and what purpose did it serve?

You start with dog breeders. There are puppy farms all over the country, for a start, many unregistered. There needs to be much tightening up of legislation there. Many responsible owners will breed once or twice from a good bitch. There are Kennel Club regulations but they're not enforced rigorously enough. Anyone who buys a pup from such sources must be vetted thoroughly.

There are also owners whose bitches get "caught" and the result is pups. You can't tell, at a glance, if a bitch has been spayed but you can see if a dog has been neutered. It should be compulsory for all male dogs, except registered, licenced stud dogs, to be neutered. Dog warden sees un-neutered dog - dog is "confiscated" until neutered at owner's expense. More dog wardens are needed. Any dog wandering in the streets must be impounded - for its own good as well as anyone else's. Dog wardens should have the right to enquire at any house where a dog is known to be living and check up on the dog and its living conditions, with due process of law if anything is amiss.

Would it work? It would be better than the lack of regulation and the blind panic about "dangerous breeds" that exists now. What would it cost? What cost is a human life?

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I'm in agreement with you re: the old dog licences. I think they were 37p when they were abolished nearly twenty years ago.

They could be introduced at a cost, but as you say compared with a child's life it would be worth it.

There does need to be tighter controls on dog ownership, partly to protect the animals from a miserable life, if they continue to be the status dog of choice amongst drug dealers and rap stars, and partly to stop any more children from being killed.

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