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for would be benefit cheats!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6528425.stm

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What utter poppycock this is. Another headline grabbing initiative. There are individuals in Hyndburn who have taken more in benefits to which they are not entitled than the chap in the article below (from the national press ),and yet have not even been prosecuted, far less faced prison,despite the information to prove the case having been readily available for several years. What an absolute shambles.


''Caught digging the garden: the 'wheelchair bound' fraudster who claimed £77k in benefits
A benefits cheat who claimed more than £77,000 in disability payments was filmed running his own business as a gardener and handyman.
Leonard Staniland said osteoarthritis had left him confined to a wheelchair and needing round-the-clock care. But he was filmed by investigators bending over flower beds, climbing ladders and carrying patio slabs.
The 62-year-old falsely claimed incapacity benefit, income support, pension credit, council tax benefit and disability living allowance over a seven-year period.''

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I'll wager a bet the technology is only used on those who speak natural English.

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Without a doubt!

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never thought of that lancdave
what if your really nervous person, better of being drunk then, when your more relaxed and dont give a toss:D

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A lie detector test is only 96% accurate tho [yes watch too much jeremy kyle & trisha:o]

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Mind u Panther many of them are drunkards anyway:rolleyes:

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I do too...LOL:o

yeh clampets of accy!!:p

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The thing thats really laughable is that no matter what the genuine claiments suffer or feel criminal by association to the benefit hence why many that need to claim some benefits actually dont - while the fraudsters dont give a crap & get as much as they can!!!

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A very good friend of one of the Councillors of Hyndburn has taken more than 77k in benefits to which he was not entitled, yet I dont see any prosecutions having resulted.

One rule for one and one for another.

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Incidentally, not only can this be proven, but I understand it has.

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Then why don't you name them, or report them to the benefit fraud people?

You can do it online here,
http://www.dwp.gov.uk/campaigns/benefit-thieves/
or by phone on 0800 854 440.

Or are you going to play Chinese whispers again, and not substantiate your claims, and by not having the strength of your convictions to actually do something about it?

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Garinda,

You are assuming others have not reported this matter. Not on an online forum but apparently in person and to all organisations affiliated to HMG that were taken for a ride.

Should you think these are chinese whispers, let me put it this way. There are a few on this forum that are in possession of the facts, excluding myself. They too are staggered.

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If what you say is true, call the police.

No one is above the law of the land.

Name that person here, if you are so sure it is true. After all you can't be libelled if it is fact, and I'm sure if it was in the public arena the press, amongst others, would investigate your claim.

Or is it a case of more hot air?

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Garinda,

Don't take this the wrong way, since it is not so intended. However, I must say that your understanding of what goes on behind the scenes as it were, is in it's infancy at best.

You referred me to a 'benefit cheats' call centre. I can tell you that all they would do is refer it to the local Council and DWP after compiling the information. Thusit is far more effective to approach the fraud investigators at both directly. I understand that has been done some time ago.

The evidence I have seen is compelling. It proves without doubt that benefits, including housing and Council tax benefit, have been awarded when clearly they ought not to have been. Furhter, additional awards were made even after these matters were reported. None of this money has yet been returned I understand.

Should you doubt what I say, then I'm sure some of those on here who have access to the information may reinforce my view. I suspect they shall not give you the full details since it may serve as an impediment to the proposed of action that shall be undertaken going forward.

Hope that helps

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No it doesn't help.

More hot air, and empty rhetoric.

Blah, blah, blah.

Yada, yada, yada.

As stated earlier, if a crime had been committed there is always an avenue to go down...if people have the balls.

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Incidentally Garinda, do you have a job? I note that you appear to be on this forum whenever I log on.

Perhaps you can contact one of the centres funded by the LCC for the same, and im sure they shall assist.

I have decided not to respond to you again, since you simply wish to have an argument. I dont have time for that.

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Sadly once again, that you don't have the strength of your convictions to actually do anything proactive, and took the much easier option of just moaning about it.

No one is above the law. You should contact the press, your M.P., or the police if you have evidence of a fraud. You are a disgrace as a citizen.

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By the way, I'm a retired whore, and now receive an Art's Council grant to post on local forums 24/7, to show sad arses like you up.:)

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He's actually a Hot Air Balloon Pilot. He collects the stuff from anonymous posters on community forums. Good at it isn't he ? :D

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How do you know the MP is not aware? According to my source, some Councillors did refer aspects of this matter to the MP. He, I understand, is of the view it is a matter for the Council and DWP.

However, I agree. He ought to have put his weight behind the issue.

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You still posting here in this thread???

Not suprised to see you aren't a man of your word.

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Another interesting revelation. Despite you claiming to have all this knowledge of secret wheeling and dealing your information is actually gossip ?

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Even care in the community patients must gather by the water cooler.;)

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Do they have similar grants for myspace? :(

:p

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According to my source you haven't retired :p

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lie detector tests lol

sory but computer says no
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2.../compsezno.jpg


mind you i would ike to have a go on one i think i could beat it, suppose i better get some slapper preganant and ring trisha full of denial :D

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LOL...like that one chav1:D

also i seem to have got gondola at it again....talking...sorry, typing ****!!:D

gondola ....RELAX!!!!

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Will the cost of using these methods, as they will have to be overseen by countless hordes of language/dialect interpreters, for the sake of the 'me no understand' brigade, outweigh the benefit, if in the long run the offenders uncovered are to be let off with a hand slap, or nothing done at all?

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for a lie detector to work you would have to actualy give a crap about getting caught

luckily for me i am able to not give a crap at any given moment :D

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err hi its me chav , dont wanna get into the pondlife thing again i got better things to do today but if you read other posts it does quite often come up that garinda has parkingsons dissease and cant work

personaly i think its bull because iem sure homebase could employ him as a paint mixer for starters but as things stand for now he is quite entitled to his benefit

aslo dont need a lie detector with garinda , that sod cant help but sing like a canary wether you like it or not lol

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Don't tell the nosey sod anything. If he's that bloody interested in my life he can read through my ten thousand old posts, which contain full information about my past, and hopefully that'll keep him quiet until Christmas.:D

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An idea that will have the success of a manned trip to Mercury on the QEII. Wast of time and money.

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Quite right Rindy, if I can read through them on a daily basis whilst waiting for my latest fraudulent payment, (for whatever I'm claiming this week), then I'm sure he, (by the way anyone notice since we stopped doing the he/she malarkey, he hasn't denied it, is this progress?), being in such a good position can no doubt spend the time looking through your wondrous, (I made a typo' there and my spell checker asked if I meant ponderous, I'm confused now), prose.
Let's face it he won't do anything that will satisfy our curiosity's he refers to us as 'readers', not, 'fellow members', he is doing us all a favour by even speaking to us whatever you do don't expect anything except to be talked down to.:)

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not quite Lie detector tests........ but I recieved this the other day

"Like a lot of folks in this state I have a job. I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test, with which I have no problem.

What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check because I have to pass one to earn it for them??

Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do on the other hand have a problem with helping someone sitting on their ass. Could you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check?????

though I suppose that some folks would argue that being a drunk is a disability :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :confused: :confused:

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I would personally urinate in the Prime Ministers afternoon tea, to obtain the elusive benefits that I think I am entitled to. The fact of the matter is, if a certain section of the community puts a claim in, they have their applications approved on the basis of, and I quote an officer of the DHSS, who for obviously reasons will have to remain annonomous,"The golden bollock rule is if 'one of them' puts a claim in for owt, don't mess about give it to them, they will only make your life miserable by playing the race card, or take it to human rights commission".

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Utter tosh.

Bloody hell, first we had Gondola with his information, for what it was worth, when you actually found it, from an anonymous source, now you.

I too know someone who works for a benefits agency, and the statement you make, that every claim by someone from an ethnic background is passed whether they are entitled to it or not, is plain wrong.

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Garinda I am only stating my case, the inequality of 'dishing' these benefits out, and yes I do think a certain section of the community get's preferrential tratment. I have been in receipt of Incapacity benefit since my first operation 16 years ago, during that time I have had 5 medicals and been deemed unfit for work, I have since had 2 more operations for the same complaint and I mighn't add face more surgery later this year when my body has recovered sufficiently to allow it. Yet I am turned down yet again for DLA. Getting back to your statement "utter tosh", I would not as a man of honour ever reveal the source of anything given to me in confidence.

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an alcholic gets nearly twice as much as somone led at home rotting with cancer

dont get me started on people who are on disability with depression

what a bloody joke

cheer up you miserable sods everyone has problems and they manage to work

depression is the new bad back and easier to fake to get a giro

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Quite true chav, able to work and are working, and still drawing these benefits illegally, does that go on I wonder? Or has it gone on and been discovered and nothing done about it?

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blimey.. you lot could whine and moan for England!.. if you know of people that claim stuff they are not entilted to then grass em up... it's no good moaning about it.. do something!
I'm thinking of claiming incapacity for depression after reading this thread!

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Now it's gone from fact, as told to you by an 'officer of the DHSS', to only 'think'. Which is it?

If claimants were given preferential treatment because of their race, which you earlier stated, don't you think just one whistle blower, out of the thousands and thousands of civil servants, would have contacted the press, for these outlandish claims to be investigated? Come to think of it, why hasn't your friend been to the press, or even to the police?

As stated earlier, I have friends who who work in differing sections of this branch of the civil service, and they totally disagree with your claims. By the way, unlike your friend, they would be prepared to go public, and not hide behind anonymity.

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Come on .. be honest :D.. just imagine if you had to take a lie detector test on this site.... most of you would have been banged up for life!

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well if depression is so bad then perhaps teh best thing is to swing off teh end of a bloody rope

oh i cant work no more because ime depressed i got into debt , oh i cant work because im feeling down a lot lately

bollox its an illness not so long ago all you had to do was tell a doctor you were fed up a bit and you got a prescription for prozac

people have genuine psycological problems that can cause them trouble but going on teh sick and disabilty because you got a bit sad that you dont like your job is not an illness its an excuse

yes we call them goths ;)

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We should remember one thing if the civil service can make a pigs ear of something they will. This will cost a thousand times more than it has any chance of saving.
But it doesn’t matter the faithful tax payer will foot the bill :mad:

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and people became addicted to prescription drugs and had to be weaned off them like other drug addicts.

'got a bit sad' is nothing to do with clinical depression. It's probably the fault of the name itself - people use the term 'depressed' to mean 'feeling sad' but clinical depression is not 'feeling a bit sad' or even feeling a lot sad. It's often a total inability to interact or even to think. Someone suffering from depression often acts like a zombie and goes through the motions of existence on automatic pilot. They cannot think for themselves or react to outside stimuli. Would you like to be in a bus driven by a person who couldn't react to a sudden traffic problem? or how about a surgeon who couldn't react properly if the patient suddenly went into cardiac arrest?

Your attitude and lack of compassion for something you do not understand thoroughly disgusts me.

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and your whining disgusts me , any moron can say they feel depressed and get a giro for it , i assume you have probably suffered clinical depression seen as you brought clinical depression to teh table where as i was only talking about the benefit fruadsters who simply get benefit by claiming depression when infact all they are is a little fed up

if you lack the mental ability to cope with life then at least have the decency to top your self quietly so as not to bother everyone else who manages to cope

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Does anyone remember the topic of this thread or are we just fed-up with it now?

Edit:
Ok, this thread has now been cleaned up, it’s not perfect but it will do.
Although it’s great to see a debate argued with such passions, all we ask is, could you please refrain from insulting one and other ‘difficult at times’ I know but there's no need. :eek:

Please do not reply to this post as it will be off topic and therefore deleted.

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I'll get back on thread.
I think the thought of having to take one will make some people think twice before claiming. There will always be those who dont care and will pass the test but surely the govt wont solely rely on the lie detector tests.

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I work for one branch of the DWP (what used to be DHSS or whatever you choose to call it). I can state categorically that there is no US and THEM in the decisions. (I know I make them). It is not down to race, religion, creed or whatever, it is down to whether or not you are entitled.

As for the depression Chav you have to either know someone who suffers from it or suffer from it yourself to understand it. I can understand why people have attacked you for your statements.

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Was that I saw a pig that just flew past my window, please dig my yet again rejected claim out, and please ask them to review it, and if you want add arthritis and depression to it do so, as I my claim was deemed strong enough by all the medical bodies that attend to my complaint, except the DWP doctor or whoever rubber stamps these decisions in Manchester.:mad:

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As I sit here at home rotting with cancer your post quite amuse me chav as all your post do, you are right, I get mesel down to pub and do me best to become an alki, when I fall asleep some kind soul shoves me into cab, the morning after 2Diazapam gets shut of the dee'pression, hey presto ready to die another day.:D

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Have one of those silly little stickers on my printer Ianto which says:-

"Depression is merely anger .. without the enthusiasm" :( Perhaps so. x

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Why the frown kate it were lovely to meet you, My life is and will continue to be a bowl of cherries XXX:D

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Not frowning at you Ianto ... the sticker has that ..:D
Just thought a little truth in a description of depression that's all.x

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Absolute drivel there IS an us and them just as there is an us and them when trying to get a job (the poles are the new asians):mad:

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I used to have a mate who's nickname was depressd Harry, he was one of the funniest men I have ever met, also another one his nickname was crammed Jack. Kate, I miss the company of those two guys they never had a good word to say about anyone, but if you needed owt they would be the first in the que to help you, that was the way they handled depression by meeting it 'head on'. Crammed Jacks favourite saying was "always think the worst of everyone and you will never be dissapointed":D. Depressed Harrys favourite saying was "always borrow money off a pessimist , because he doesn't expect to get it back anyway:D.

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Who are the 'us and them' to whom you refer?

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Take your pick :rolleyes:

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I don't like guessing games, only facts.

If you can't provide any, more's the pity.

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Genuine claimants and spongers.:D

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Bagpuss,
I said I work for a part of the DWP and part of my job is making decisions, I have to make the decision backed by THE LAW!, if I can't prove tit I am not doing my job ipso facto it is a wrong decision and will be overuled on appeal.
As I said before there is no bias to anyone at all and if you choose to disbelieve me state facts and show me 2 identical (and I mean identical not "my mate says..") cases I will accede to your argument.

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Ianto,
Without knowing your case fully I can't comment I wasn't ignoring you.
I just get fed up with the wholesale statements that say if you are "black, asian, Albanian, etc you get x amount the day you arrive " & the "If I was an illegal immigrant you'd be falling over yourself to give me money" It's b*llsh*t if you arrive in the country you have to prove you are entitled not the other way round, but of course people choose to believe what they read in the right wing press (Mail, Express, Sun etc!" rather someone who actually works there.

Rant over I'll get my coat.

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It's ok Stanaccy I realise you are only trying to give a constructive reply within your remit. I am not the only one who has had to struggle to obtain DLA/Moblity allowance. Did you ever know a man by the name of 'Blind Michael'. If I may have a moment of your time I will relate this tale. Mick had no arms and was blind due to an accident with explosives, he and his wife applied for 16 years to get the said benefit, without success because Mick could walk and he also worked on the NHS internal telephones. His good lady persisted and managed to get it for him just before he was 65years of age. The only reason I am relating this tale is that they now sadly have passed away, so I do not think mine is an isolated case, or unique.Regards Ian.

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But are you saying, as you stated earlier, that if he changed his name to 'Blind Mohammed', he would have been granted the benefit straight away? Because that just isn't so.

The crtieria make be complicated, but they apply to everyone equally.

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As I have mentioned to you before ian the major thing about claiming these benefits is how the original form is filled in.... :)

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This was a true story gary and I did not this time mention race or colour, save I will say 'Bind Michael' was an Irishman originally from Cork, and a good friend to all who knew him.

With hindsight your you are quite correct, there is more I could say but at present without wanting to prejudice this ongoing case, I have decided to say nothing more about it as I only seem to get insulted for my pains.

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Thank's Willow for your kind words of encouragement.

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As well as goverment departments, it is the same with lots of organisations. Insurance companies can put so many obstacles in your way. I had an horrendous time with Saga car insurance, but I would not take no for an answer and eventually sent a letter by recorded delivery to the MD home address. I got the home address by paying for a list of directors from Companies House. That letter finally got my claim sorted out after 7 months of be without a car, due to no fault of my own. I think their strategy is that if they make the procedure complicated most people will eventually give up.

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My sentiments entirely claytonender, you should not have to employ a 'Philadelphia Lawyer' to fill a claim form in for you. I wonder how many people have gone to their graves earlier than they should have, fighting for what they believed were their rights.

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The sad thung is that 'false' claimants know what answers to give and will lie quite blatanly to get it.

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the sad fact is that most people claim falsely is because they cant live off what they have already!

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From a personal view claiming benifits on behalf of someone is difficulit enough.

When my mother was diagnoised with Lung Cancer she asked me to go and live with her, this I did without question and my employers helped by letting me pick shifts that meant I would be at home at nights, and she told me that it would only be for a "few months"!

She got a good care package and some extra benifits that the Social Worker in hospital told her about, when she asked about "Carer Allowence" for me she was told that as I was working during the day and that she had carers going in that she couldn't claim for me.

When I asked about a stair-lift for her so that she could go upstairs to use the bath we were told that it would take approx 6 weeks to get one fitted if granted.

Mother was happy about that but sadley she died after 5 weeks and never got to use her bath again, I informed the revelent office of the change in circumstances and on the day of her funeral a workman came to measure up for the stair-lift!! The information had not been passed between the departments and I think that sometimes that holds up or gets claims rejected is the lack on communications between offices.....

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That just shows how naive I am.
I thought most people claimed falsely because they can't be bothered to get of their backsides and get a job. After all free money, housing, education, healthcare etc etc isn't enough is it, some people need to make false claims to pay for their beer and fags as well.

I have absolutely nothing against people who make genuine benefit claims, after all that is what the system is there for. I just do not like the vast number of people who think this Country owes them something. You know the ones who have never worked and think they are hard done too because they can't go out every weekend drinking with their mates.

I think that many more people should be employed to catch these cheats. I don't care if it costs more to catch the cheats than the amount of benefit money saved. It comes down to the principle of not getting something you are not entitles too.

Ok rant over.

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The problem with forms is complicated and a bit of a catch 22. The forms need to be complicated because they need to absolutely prove without any doubt that the person claiming is genuine - if the forms had one question 'I need the money because....' anyone and everyone would sound like a worthy cause.

But then the problem with the forms being complicated is that the genuine complainants then struggle to fill the forms in correctly so get knocked back and the expert form fillers get the money because they know what they're doing.

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That just about sums it up Gayle, with one exception, when my mum was dying, given 6 months to live we got a letter off the doctor stating the fact, she got a home visit from the 'social' this woman filled her forms in, mum read them, and we had tried to keep it from her 'that she was going to die'. suffice to say she got the ' full monty', for about 3 months.

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i think people claim falsely because they get greedy and live beyond there means....i'm on benefits and have been for ages, i'm not proud of the fact that the state is keeping me but i would never ever dream of putting a false claim in, i get £93 a week income support and £17 odd child benefit, i get my council tax and housing benefit paid too, i'm not in any debt whatsoever, never have been,never will be, if i need anything i will either save up for it or do without, i manage just fine off what i have and my bills are ALWAYS paid, Reece never goes without and never will, i see myself going back to work in the near future, not because i will be made to but because i WANT to

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I have no arguement with you or the law my point is why are spongers coming here to our country and the first thing they do is apply for benefits and annoyingly most of the time get them. If I wanted to go to Australia I'm sure they would tell me where to go if I had nothing to offer them. Pregnant women and sick people are coming here and being allowed in only to drain our health service of much needed resources.

Rant only just begun!!!:mad:

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I agree totally. Its this stupid EU open borders rubbish that we have. We should ditch that straight away and only let people in that meet a strict criteria. None of them should be entitled to claim benefits until they have paid into the system. I would allow them basic emergency medicine but nothing routine.

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I think its Norway where you have to have been in the country for 7 years before you're entitled to claim, if you can't afford to do that you can't go there. My mate who lives there says they dont have an immigration problem!

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The point is THEY DON'T get them most of the time. It's a fallacy. As I said earlier if you choose to believe certain elements of the press then fine. The fact is the majority of immigrants to this country actually arrive from Europe and do so to get jobs. Not to exploit our benefit system. FFS how the hell can £55 a week be an incentive for anyone to come into a country?

In fact if you arrive from Europe and you want to claim you are better off staying at home. Yes they arrive to work and in 2005 put in £126m (this figure is from a white supremacists website). They do not bleed the country dry, they do not turn up to claim benefits etc.

Oh and as for the fact they are turning up stealing our jobs? Don't make me laugh, nobody here would do half the jobs they do for the salary they are being paid. In that case its the employers fault not the people doing the job.

Most immigrants I actually make decisions on are not entitled. Oh and conversely most fraudulent claims are by people born here.

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You might be in a position to know about a local firm who made 50 English workers and this includes asians redundant. As I've said in another thread these jobs have now been filled by Polish workers doing the jobs for less money. This to me is job stealing because the jobs should still be being done by English employees. Some of these Polish workers are here for 6 months but some of the workers who lost their jobs will never work again, it stinks. Has anyone tried to join an employment agency recently because if you do you will find they are not taking anybody on because their books are full of eastern europeans who will work for less than the minimum wage for a few months then off they go.
Open your eyes and see the truth.:mad:

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You make some valid points, Stanaccy, but there is another side to this. European immigrants, as you rightly say, are coming here to work and will do so for low wages. They do not, generally, claim Benefits but they do claim Tax Credits because, as EEC members, they are entitled to them despite never having contributed to the Exchequer before their arrival. They are not cheating and they are not given any preference but their low wages are, often, being supplemented by the State.

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As I said in the post above blame the employers in that case not the people doing the work.

If they are doing work for less than the minimum wage and you know the employer, report them to HMRC. Don't sit there moaning do something about it.

If they are doing the work for minimum wage which previously was a lot higher, then blame the employer not the person doing the work, they are the one being exploited. Get their support and start a campaign, get the unions and the press involved, name and shame. Whingeing on here will not solve anything.

For all the rhetoric I have yet to see any facts.:confused:

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Fact, out of the 50 the company got rid of, all but one of the union shopstewards where finished, very clever of them.:rolleyes:

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................hmmmmmmmmm.................

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its illegal if they are

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Blame the employer, blame the government, blame the EU, it really doesn't matter. The fact is if your English living in England it is becoming very hard to find a job because eastern europeans are coming here and doing the jobs for less money.

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Some companies have methods of working around it. I have heard of an Altham based company who have employed quite a few of the Polish people. They pay them minimum wage but they also 'sort' out their accomodation and charge them ridicolous rents and extortionate fuel prices which they take out of their wages.

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Just to make things clear this is not happening at the company I mentioned but it is happening elsewhere and I got that off an employer who said allowing Polish workers over here is great for his profits.:mad:

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As I said, do something about it, if people have been made redundant and others taken on to do the same job for less money it's illegal (FACT the job is made redundant not the employee).

If you know unscrupulous employers then publicise it. get the trades council involved
Their e-mail address is here [email protected]. They currently have a campaign for a living wage for Lancashire.

I have been told "by a bloke" that some folk were laid off cause of the Poles but as I have not heard any companies named specifically where it happened(I only know of 2 companies where asignifican amount of Poles work trouble recruiting because of the abysmal terms and conditions they offered) I treat it as an urban myth.

If, as you say, you know different then do something, start a campaign etc. moaning here will do absolutely nothing.

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Then how do you explain the figures that prove that there are about two million less unemployed people, than there were twenty five years ago?

That's taking into account that these figures are open to abuse, by not classing as unemployed people on various schemes and benefits etc., but that was also applicable in the eighties, and twenty five years we didn't have the same numbers of illegal immigrants, or open borders throughout Europe.

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Life is not about facts even though you want to hide behind them. Of course the company, it sounds like you know which one, have got round it with different ways and means, new orders etc. So FACT the jobs are still there but 50 British workers are on the dole.

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Got to aggree at least the jobs are there for the Poles etc to work at, other wise they wouldn't come. Good luck to them they have always been a very industrous nation.