Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

Neither would the attending paramedics but they like the doctor would look around the flat for evidence of medication.

A fully qualified doctor couldn’t do more than basic first aid? Now where did you get that from? In any case basic first is better than nothing and could be the difference between life and death.

In my view the doctor was wrong not to try and help.

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

I think this is the best advice you have been given so far, I do no wish to sound 'uncharitable' towards you, but there are members on here and I suspect guests, who have been told the same thing at some time in their life. I could name names, or be self indulgent, but this would not be the right way, do as the Doctor said, learn to live with it. Good god man it could be worse, it could be terminal, so get your head round it and stop feeling sorry for youself.;)

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

I didnt say it was the case, I said maybe thats why he wasn't keen to help. If things arent done be regulations these days you can guarantee a lawsuit against you even if you were acting within decent morals.

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

What about when someone is taken ill on a plane?The crew say 'is there a doctor on the flight?' and if there is a doctor on board he would attend to the ill person.The doctor wouldn't be expected to know their medical history,they would just get in there and do their stuff to save life.Why couldn't this doctor have just gone over to the flat and done the same?

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

I directed a few people to this thread before it got deleted so I think more than just me and Cashy saw it. Cashy's response was deleted because he quoted you. I suppose the mods thought it was best for you that not everybody knows.
I was AMAZED!! :D -deserves good karma - will try - but I remember giving you some recently so it might not let me.

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

We're not supposed to talk about delete things. :(

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

In hindsight it was best deleted, I broke the official secrets by disclosing my job. :D

Shame I didn't keep a copy I might want to use it again :p

Okay back to topic :)

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

Willow can you delete me - I dont want any suggestion of trouble for Dave

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

I'm not in any trouble Margaret, don't worry about it :)

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

Your a rascal dave. tell em the truth :)

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

back on topic,lol i have had many positive things to say about the NHS recently,now i will rip the crap out of em. my lass was in a car accident nov14th and went for physio to accyvic, thinking they know what there doing she trusted them, this treatment made her worse,she had to go to Beardwood at blackburn n the consultant told her she had been given the wrong treatment for her injury,and she was to get Private Physio,which was arranged for her, she has now had 4 treatments with this n is feeling a good bit better,(she has had to sleep with a pillow under her leg since november) this physio found it difficult to believe what they actually did at accy n said- they shouldn,t be doing it they do not know what they are doing n will make many folk worse doing that with similar injuries, this makes me very angry,cos paris has really suffered,for NOWT,what the hell is going on here? end of rant.:mad:

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

Sorry Margaret - I can only do that on the other one. ;)

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

no not till ive finished my own treatment.;)

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

I was messed up by Accy Physio 13 years ago. They gave me neck traction twice a week for 5 weeks before an xray revealed osteoarthritis in all 7 neck joints -so I suffered the traction for no purpose.

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

Sorry to hear about other peoples bad experiences at Accy Vic's physio department.

I go there to, but for preventative measures, and not to help an injury, so I guess it's different. The treatments I have, to help my walking, and stop my muscles from wasting away too quickly, have certainly helped.

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

If anything went wrong though the prosecuting barrister would probably pick fault with something else under another act. In France everyone is under a duty of care to anyone they see have an accident or in need of some sort of help, in UK, your not under any Act that states you need to help. With the pressures upon doctors these days under the strain of the NHS I think I'd be wary of doing something off duty in case I was too tired from the pressures of ON-duty life to help properly.

Most people are unwilling to help in this country when a stranger needs it. Why a doctor should be criticised just because he didn't go to help isn't really something we should pick fault with. I got beat up on a main road by a large gang of girls and cars just drove on by like nothing was happening, but I wont think badly of them for not helping, as there is just no duty to do so and its always easier to not get involved unfortunatly.

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

If I had been passing and seen you being attacked in the street I like to think I would have come to your aid but I understand that a lot of people would not do so for fear of being attacked themselves.However,there is a difference between a member of the public not wanting to get involved in a street attack and a doctor who is unwilling to go to a flat accross the road from his surgery to help save a life.

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

Perhaps the doctor was merely afraid of the possibility of having a death on his hands? I know its not very professional of a doctor to not go to someones aid but doctors who ust do general consultancy aren't necessarily prepared to deal with such a situation and their own personal feelings towards it may have been involved. I assume doctors get frightened and have feelings too.

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

Perhaps you'd like to read this - from a Canadian doctor. OpinionJournal - Featured Article

There is also the recent release of Regina Hertzlinger's book, "Who Killed Healthcare", which is on my list of must reads. I heard her being interviewed on the radio this week. She talks about the Swiss system of universal healthcare - which I would support, because it is consumer driven. Both good reality checks to Michael Moore's, "SIcko".

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

Cyfr , maybe this could be the answer to your on going problem
BBC NEWS | UK | England | Surrey | Doctor 'prescribed an exorcism'

sorry for the flippancy , but maybe you need to think about it . ;):o

the last sentance to the article is the kicker ..........IF found guilty ........

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

You never know steeljack, if they keep her on I mighn't just consult her myself.;)

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

If it works for me it will work for anyone willow, a little whisky in the holy water may be all that is lacking.:D

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

well sorry i disagree strongly with this statement have you never heard of MORAL DUTY?

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

UPDATE..........well after 7 months of telling the docs there's something wrong & several blood tests later i have been diagnosed type 2 diabetic, was finally told last friday . with the words "you are diabetic, take these tablets you can have free eye tests & take care of your feet, don't eat sugar & make an appointment with diabetic clinic" to which i replied " ok but my feet are still swelling & my bones are hurting " the reply you guessed it !!!"its the diabetes " so i make appointment for clinic 3rd of august...now im not bl***y happy about this but will wait my time ...i bought my own meter & have been testing my own bloods (which are high at times) now the diet ? what do i do ? so much hidden sugars & fats in food these days .........paid £37 online for tesco e-diets which seem to be helping me get an idea of what i can & can't eat, all in all im not a happy bunny at the min .the only person helping me is my darling daughter jet who is also diabetic but has hers under control, now i get shouted at told off & helped greatly (THANKS CHUCK) so off to asda again today for another lesson as to what to look for ...................N.H.S ? WHAT IS IT?

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

Ooooh Mez, sorry about your diagnosis. When you go to your appointment at the Diabetic clinic, the specialist nurse will help you out with your blood sugar testing and diet. She/he may arrange for you to see the dietician.

You don't need a special diet for type 2 diabetes, you just need to eat healthily, meat, fish, veggies, fruit etc and cut down a bit on cakes, biscuits, alcohol, fizzy pop, chocolate. Reduce the amount of spuds, pasta etc in your meals and replace it with veg. Once you have some control of your sugars you can have the occasional treat. My gran has good control and hasn't made any drastic changes, just a few small ones and she still enjoys the occasional cake or 3..:)

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

You will get free chiropody - just ask your doc to contact the local chiropody service.
My cousin (late 60s) has it and she found lots of good diet info on the web - but some of it confllicted with what the NHS dietician advised. It may well be a case of trial and error with diet, whilst monitoring your blood sugar frequently. It may take a few months to gain control but you will get there - keep you pecker up, mate :) -good luck

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

Sorry to hear that Mez.:(

My mum developed type II diabetes after she had a heart attack, which for some reason is quite common. My mum told me to tell you not to fret too much. With only a bit of thought it can be controlled quite easily. You can even have the odd bit of chocolate, if you have it at the right time, which is much better than that horrible diabetic chocolate, and won't give you belly ache!:D

I hope you get to see the diabetic nurse soon, and that she puts your mind at ease and helps you get on the right path.

G x:)

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

I have to say that my experience with the NHS has been and still is brilliant. If

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

Some of the experiences quoted sound horrific and i have nothing but sympathy for the unfortunate people involved, just glad my experiences with the NHS have been a lot more positive

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

Mez don't forget that your GP may have a diabetic nurse so you maybe able to get help form that source to. Type ii is diet and med controlled so just adjust somethings and see how you get on. The advice from Lettie is very revelent.


Cyfr how are you doing and have you been given a final diagnosis and treatment????

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

thanks everyone im fine really & coping (i hope) it was just the way in which i was told & dealt with by the gp that got my blood boiling , im seeing the diabetic nurse at my doctors in a couple of weeks, yes i still have my favorite ice cream & a little bit of chocolate, & im losing my weight quite nicely (yipee) only trouble is i loose it from my feet & bum first he he......hey i may be slim again .........one day (i wish).

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

Mez , I have found my blood sugar levels can jump from 110 to 200 overnight from eating a 1/2 pound bag of cherries from the local Farmers market , best way I have found for keeping some sort of equilibrium is to avoid any kind of processed food and eating only fresh stuff , I dumped all the refined cooking oils , only use olive oil and unsalted butter , have dumped all the frozen TV dinners, (Lasagne and Pizzas etc.)
not sure what you have in the way of artifical sweeteners in the UK but I found out the 'blue' packets are better than the 'pink' packets and only half a sachet is enough .
as an aside Rindy mentioned that his Mom had problems after having heart problems , think this is usual as folks who have had heart trouble tend to cut back on execise out of some fear that they may excaberate the problem

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

Funnily enough Mez called round here last night and was telling me about this. Earlier in the year we'd been comparing notes about swollen ankles and falling asleep.............

We have a fairly similar story.

I've been having an ongoing saga with my GPs (plural because you never see the same person twice) about my swollen ankles/legs/fingers, water retention, tiredness at unusual times and lack of tiredness at normal times (a bit like jet lag), inability to lose weight and 1001 other downright irritating things. I've been prodded and poked at the surgery and in hospital, had blood tests for this, that, the other and summat else, been in an out of hospital for ops and tests and so many different appointments I haven't known if I was coming or going. Last year it was verified that I do have a heart which is working perfectly well. Must be the only part of me that is!!!

Then a few weeks ago I was sent down Clayton for yet more blood tests and a glucose tollerance test. They told me to ring my GP in a couple of days for the results. I rang but they couldn't tell me! The person I spoke to asked if I'd had my appointment through yet for the cardio vascular clinic. (Well no what she actually said was CVR which didn't mean a thing to me but even when she said cardio vascular it only confused me more.) I told her that I'd had the angiogram and everything and my heart was fine. She said it mustn't be because I was down to get an appointment for the cardio vascular.

Confused? You bet I was. When I called in for a repeat prescription I asked again about this glucose test and was told that they can't tell me at reception. I have to ring up between 10am and 3pm. I would end up speaking to the person about cardio vasculars again which wasn't what I wanted. Then I got a letter with an appointment for the CVR clinic - a date which happens to be whilst I'm away so I phoned up and they said I would have to wait for another letter when I got back. Again I asked why I needed to see what to me sounded like heart people when I'd been told by BRH that my heart was hunky dory, in fact better than hunky dory and my GP had said my cholesterol was fine. Again I was told that I must be mistaken and that there would be good reason for seeing the heart team but I would have to wait until September as they couldn't fit me in before my hols. I concluded that it couldn't be all that serious then or they'd be asking me to cancel my hols.

But I still hadn't got to the bottom of this blood sugar test so I made an appointment to see a doctor to discuss it. As luck would have it this time I managed to see the only doctor down there who actually knows me, my family and our medical history.

I asked him about the glucose test. He looked at the results. "You have type 2 diabetes" he said.

Now why the flippin nora couldn't someone have told me this before now?

His advice was to avoid sugar which isn't difficult because I already do! I don't particularly like sugar in or on things so it's really only hidden sugar that I consume anyway (like in baked beans) apart from the occasional ice cream (which he said is OK in moderation) and chocolate which is rationed to a square a day! I deduced that my main sugar intake is from drinks as I have avoided the accursed aspartame. It's very difficult to avoid that and avoid sugar but I shall have to try.

I just find it very frustrating that no-one could have told me this before now.

And as for the CVR appointment - nothing to do with my heart at all. The diabetic clinic apparently comes under the same umbrella. :rolleyes:

Anyway - get this under control and I live in hope that everything else will fall into place as it seems that all my problems could simply be symptoms of the diabetes. :)

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

i went to the docs in february & told him about my continuing tiredness & falling asleep at anytime even whilst driving the car his reply (&im still reeling from it) was "well don't fall asleep when driving" needless to say he was one that i complained about. still feel very tired & can fall asleep when i sit down but i have it under control these days.

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

If I were you and not to alarm you mez, I would seek a second opinion, the symtoms you have described are not to be taken lightly.Regards Ian.

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

Depending where you live in the country, it is a postcode lottery as to if you will get some drug treatments for cancer.

On the other hand drug addicts are to be rewarded with iPods and televisions, if they stay off coke and smack.

Anger over NHS plan to give addicts iPods - Times Online

Something is badly wrong here.

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

Willow and Mez, it probably wasn't what either of you wanted to hear, but at least it seems that you are both getting somewhere in your unending medical sagas...and I one hope that you both see a marked improvement in health very soon xxxxxxx

Re: The NHS is rediculous
 

Mez when my mum was alive she had diabetes type 2 and i did all her cooking for her. What i did was just buy all fresh stuff for her - for her tea i'd make her a lamb steak or a pork chop or chicken breast or roast beef, boiled spuds, carrots, broccoli and peas or some other veg and gravy. All fresh and no fat. Dinner times would be a butty or tin of soup, butty ham or beef or chicken with salad and some salad cream. Breakfast she used to eat weetabix. Supper she had 3 rich tea biscuits.

If you eat all fresh not processesed until you are stable and then introduce other items into your diet then you will know which spikes and which doesnt. My brother is a diabetic type 1 - the one with the insulin injections. Thats the kind of stuff that he eats when he's not feeling well - but he does eat a lot of fresh stuff.

Re: The NHS is rediculous