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andrewb 02-05-2007 14:00
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Where do I start. Christmas 2005 I started getting really bad headaches and then felt really sick, so I went to my doctor when it continued for a few days.
I was given medication, the headaches went away but the sickness didn't and I also had bad stomach pains.

The pains got so bad in early January that I called 999 because it was that bad at one point. I had bloods done, and more medications and a drip because I'd lost a lot of fluid from being sick all the time.

Over time throwing up stopped (months we're talking) but the feeling sick and pain did not stop. I went back to my doctor many many times, he gave me lots of different types of medication none of which helped. I had an endoscopy (camera down in to my stomach) which I had to wait like 8weeks for, and a CT scan which was also going to be an 8weeks wait. However its not as if I just had 16weeks and I was all checked out, had to go in and out of the doctors and out of patients surgery every few weeks, sometimes more than once a week, in order to convince them that they needed to put me on the waiting list.

Neither the Endoscopy or CT scan showed anything conclusive. So my doctor and consultant basicly put it down to something i'd have to live with.

I kept going back and annoying my doctor, because I wasn't getting better, feeling sick EVERY DAY and nothing was working. By now its had a major impact on my every day life, I mean how would you feel to be sick 24/7?

We insisted we be refered to a specialist in Manchester which we were, weeks and weeks later I got another test for stomach acid. Then another 6weeks later (today) I visited Manchester Royal Infirmary for the results.

We had to wait 2hours longer than our appointment time, then we saw a doctor, who wasn't the consultant which we had on our letter, who had NO case notes, NO test results had NO idea what had been going on for the last 1.5years, and gave me medication which i've already had and didn't work. Now I have to wait a further 7weeks to be seen again.

I really can't express how angry I am. I have been passed pillar to post for the last 1.5years and it's quite frankly beyond the joke. The waiting times are a joke for things they could just tell me over the phone, or things that just don't need to wait that long for, the communication between departments is a shambles. How am I ever supposed to get anywhere if I have to explain my situation to a different doctor everytime I visit? I'm not getting any followups, im being treated as a new patient everytime I visit.

One point five years. I'm an otherwise healthy 18year old who should be enjoying life, but I can't. I don't understand how they can get it so wrong. Why can't somebody sit down, understand the situation, follow the situation through to the end resulting in a diagnosis and treatment?

Quite frankly, Mr Blair, Mr Brown, and New Labour, your waiting times might be down, but it dosn't mean a damn thing if people are not getting better.

Ber999T 02-05-2007 14:16
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Cyfr yes it can be annoying having to wait for appointments and then having to wait in the clinic. It is hoped that the NHS (note HOPED) will soon have web-based records for ALL patients so that your records can be called up by the relevant staff when you visit your GP, Consultant or other Hospitals.

Did you not ask for your records to be sent to the Manchester Royal?

Did you not ask as to why you didn't get seen by the Consultant?

From my personal experiences on my 1st visit to a new Consultant it was the "Main-man" that saw me and follow-ups been done by registers(sp) or junior Dr (House Doctor)

Hope they get you sorted out soon though

andrewb 02-05-2007 14:18
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Yes I saw a consultant on first occasion, but none of the previous notes were seen by the junior doctor on the second occasion, both in Blackburn and Manchester. Complete lack of communication.

Ber999T 02-05-2007 14:27
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Sorry to say but that does happen and not just in the NHS it is more noticeable when it happens to you.

Next time you go to GP tell them what has happened and ask if there is a way of making sure that doesn't happen again, doubt you'll be given your records but they may ensure that ALL information is sent on.

WillowTheWhisp 02-05-2007 14:40
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You have my total sympathy Cyfr. I hope you get sorted out properly soon. It just isn't good enough. You've had your time wasted and the doctor's time wasted when this should have been sorted out. :(

Last time I went to hospital the specialist gave me a prescription - eye drops to be used until further notice, sent letter to GP but when I went to renew my prescription with the GP they claimed to have no record of any eye drops. I insisted they find out as the specialist had told me not to stop using them. Again, lack of communication. They'd had a letter but just not updated my records.

MargaretR 02-05-2007 15:02
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If the headache meds you take contain codeine, that could be giving you nausea. I was addicted to Solpadol (prescribed for osteoarthritic pain) but went cold turkey when they started to make me throw up (I never took more than prescribed dose)
Prescription meds can make you ill!!
Always check out for side effects on the web
Good Luck - sounds like you need some.

andrewb 02-05-2007 16:05
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I only took the headache meds for a short period (1 week) and I can't remember their name. However the specialist did seem to think that they could have been the cause of my stomach problems.

lettie 02-05-2007 16:20
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Sorry about your situation Cyfr, but I can say that it is no surprise. The ridiculous targets set by government have patients ushered in and out of hospital within the time frame but nothing really gets done. If you are not considered to be an urgent or emergency case then you could be pushed from pillar to post for years, but the targets will be met because you have been seen within the timeframe.

This is what our government call 'modernisation' and from a staff point of view it is galling to see more managers and admin staff appointed in order to meet these targets and less nurses and doctors to actually sort out the patients. There is another reason why the NHS will never move forward and that is 'meetings.'

There is more time wasted at pointless meetings in the NHS than anywhere else on Earth. Every new target, protocol or guideline sparks a plethora of meetings where managers will attempt to filter down the new information to the staff on the shop floor. This usually involves excessive paperwork for clinical staff, this paperwork usually contains loads of pointless tick boxes for various statistics. Clinical staff have to then waste more patient time filling these in, therefore the quality of patient's visits are reduced. Things are rarely resolved at these meetings so they are followed up by more meetings until ultimately we are told that the original meeting gave us misinformation and we have all been doing it wrong for months. Therefore another meeting is called (do you get my drift? :D )

This is progress and modernisation and according to government, meets patient's needs!!!!!! I have yet to meet a patient who wants to travel 20 miles to a big hospital in order to receive care. Most would rather be treat locally by staff who have the time and resources to care for them properly. Maybe I am cynical after 20 years working in the NHS but Patricial Hewitt can claim that the NHS needs to 'modernise' in this way until she is blue in the face but I do not know one nurse or midwife who supports her claim.

The reason that patients such as yourself stay in the system so long is down to Mis-modernisation, mismanagement and meetings and with every change of government it becomes worse.

jambutty 02-05-2007 21:52
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A couple of weeks ago my daughter’s feller got a sliver of metal in his eye so he went to A & E Blackburn. The sign said a minimum of 6 hours wait yet there were less than a dozen people waiting to be seen. After an hour when no one had been attended to he walked out.

By the Sunday the eye was still very sore so at 7:30 in the morning he was back in casualty with only a few other patients. He was still there by 3:00pm unseen. I’ve no idea what time he got out but that is absolutely scandalous.

I can accept long waiting times if casualty was full of people but how can they justify a potential 6 hours wait with only a dozen or so people waiting to be attended to?

NHS getting better? Don’t make me laugh!

shakermaker 02-05-2007 22:02
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Your spelling is also ridiculous mate :D

Never been in your position of faffing around with all those different quacks but hope everything gets sorted soon.

WillowTheWhisp 02-05-2007 22:14
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It must be very frustrating Lettie for anyone within the NHS who can see why it isn't working and yet still to be tied by all the nonsense.

I don't know if Blackburn A&E is the same as Lancaster Jambutty but when I went there with my daughter one summer they explained that the few people you see in the waiting room are the walking wounded with no life threatening problems. What you don't see are those brought in by ambulance and those whose lives hang in the balance and whose needs must take precedence so although it seems on the surface that they are taking forever to deal with a handful of patients you are not seeing all the others whose need is far greater.

Wynonie Harris 03-05-2007 06:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lettie (Post 418502)
Sorry about your situation Cyfr, but I can say that it is no surprise. The ridiculous targets set by government have patients ushered in and out of hospital within the time frame but nothing really gets done. If you are not considered to be an urgent or emergency case then you could be pushed from pillar to post for years, but the targets will be met because you have been seen within the timeframe.

This is what our government call 'modernisation' and from a staff point of view it is galling to see more managers and admin staff appointed in order to meet these targets and less nurses and doctors to actually sort out the patients. There is another reason why the NHS will never move forward and that is 'meetings.'

There is more time wasted at pointless meetings in the NHS than anywhere else on Earth. Every new target, protocol or guideline sparks a plethora of meetings where managers will attempt to filter down the new information to the staff on the shop floor. This usually involves excessive paperwork for clinical staff, this paperwork usually contains loads of pointless tick boxes for various statistics. Clinical staff have to then waste more patient time filling these in, therefore the quality of patient's visits are reduced. Things are rarely resolved at these meetings so they are followed up by more meetings until ultimately we are told that the original meeting gave us misinformation and we have all been doing it wrong for months. Therefore another meeting is called (do you get my drift? :D )

This is progress and modernisation and according to government, meets patient's needs!!!!!! I have yet to meet a patient who wants to travel 20 miles to a big hospital in order to receive care. Most would rather be treat locally by staff who have the time and resources to care for them properly. Maybe I am cynical after 20 years working in the NHS but Patricial Hewitt can claim that the NHS needs to 'modernise' in this way until she is blue in the face but I do not know one nurse or midwife who supports her claim.

The reason that patients such as yourself stay in the system so long is down to Mis-modernisation, mismanagement and meetings and with every change of government it becomes worse.
Hit the nail right on the head there, Lettie. Exactly what Mrs H, who also works in the NHS says. And some of you think Tony Blair's a good bloke! :rolleyes:

andrewb 03-05-2007 08:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 418691)
Your spelling is also ridiculous mate :D

Never been in your position of faffing around with all those different quacks but hope everything gets sorted soon.
We had got to post 10 and nobody had said anything, damnit :p

I wish we could edit posts after 10mins :p

WillowTheWhisp 03-05-2007 08:30
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I'm lost for words reading THIS - if it was in a TV sit com you wouldn't believe it would you? You'd say it was too far fetched. I can just hear Victor Meldrew now.

flashy 03-05-2007 08:46
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well the answer to this thread is simple isnt it, if you dont like the FREE NHS then pay to go private

andrewb 03-05-2007 08:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flashytart (Post 418845)
well the answer to this thread is simple isnt it, if you dont like the FREE NHS then pay to go private
Its not free though is it. We are taxed out of our ears, and then stealth taxed some more.

Therefore we have a right to complain about the service.

flashy 03-05-2007 08:49
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i wasnt saying dont complain about it, was merely pointing out the fact that we get a lot more form the NHS (fair enough yes people do pay tax) than they would in another country, people have to pay for it, and sometimes cant even get any sort of medical attention at all

entwisi 03-05-2007 08:49
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hark the new taxpayer! :D

Ber999T 03-05-2007 08:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 418699)
It must be very frustrating Lettie for anyone within the NHS who can see why it isn't working and yet still to be tied by all the nonsense.

I don't know if Blackburn A&E is the same as Lancaster Jambutty but when I went there with my daughter one summer they explained that the few people you see in the waiting room are the walking wounded with no life threatening problems. What you don't see are those brought in by ambulance and those whose lives hang in the balance and whose needs must take precedence so although it seems on the surface that they are taking forever to deal with a handful of patients you are not seeing all the others whose need is far greater.
I couldn't have said that any better Willow. Plenty of times when I take someone to A&E (Triage) they will still be there about 3 hours later, but I may have taken another 2 cases into MAJORS where the staff have to deal with the more serious cases first. It doesn't matter which hospital I go to they all have to work the same way.

They do a "see & treat" both at BGH (Burnley) and RBH (Blackburn) now and this seems to be helping at times, not fully sure how it works but think senior nurses been given more training and scope to deal with see & treat cases.

Ber999T 03-05-2007 08:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flashytart (Post 418845)
well the answer to this thread is simple isn't it, if you don't like the FREE NHS then pay to go private
Flashy I have been called to "Private" hospitals to take patients to A&E cause they can't deal with ACUTE causes of illness as they don't have the necessary equipment/treatment or staff.

Sometimes going private is the way forward but you still see the same Consultant as you would within the NHS (if you stay within your own area)

flashy 03-05-2007 08:58
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yes i know this, i myself could never afford to go private, what i'm saying is, i think we have a pretty good NHS at least we dont have to pay for it









*goes and bangs her head against a wall*

lettie 03-05-2007 09:02
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It's a long time since I worked in A&E but it sounds like the walking wounded still have to wait whilst the major life threatening cases are dealt with first. These cases never see the waiting room but go straight into a treatment room or resuscitation if they are really critical.

The plan is that the new health centres being built will cater for some of the walking wounded, but we all know that some GPs won't do it, and some people will still turn up in A&E rather than go to the health centre. :cool:

Ber999T 03-05-2007 09:09
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Know what your saying in that it "free at point of delivery" but with all the taxes that we pay (we all pay VAT) surely the NHS could be run better. Like lettie said they have to have a meeting about anything and I have been told that this is to be a new policy

"The use of staples to fasten papers.
The health and safety committee have now deemed that staples are to be considered as SHARPS and therefore the continued use MUST be actively discouraged"

Believe that meeting took over 2 hours and just wait till some patients notes get lost or mixed up and then they would be in meetings!!!!!!!!!!!

lettie 03-05-2007 09:14
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Lol Ber999T, that would be funny if it wasn't true but unfortunately...........

Ber999T 03-05-2007 09:26
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Originally Posted by lettie (Post 418862)
Lol Ber999T, that would be funny if it wasn't true but unfortunately...........

I got a rite telling off in A&E when I had stapled all my papers together but not been informed of the new policy.

I had the main PRF, Morphine administered sheet, Thrombosis used check sheet, other drugs used and 3 12-lead ECG's so had like 7 different sheets...........madness in the asylum.........................:Banane30:

SPUGGIE J 03-05-2007 09:56
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Someone will be pushing for PDA's so that the info can be recorded on a computer. If the NHS has esided that staples are infact dangerous then why havent the H&E mob been running round trying to ban em. Are the going to have a large supply of paper clips available or are they deemed unsafe?

Ber999T 03-05-2007 11:35
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Already use a "tuff-book" PC to record all patients details but as yet not been able to link with hospital networks to up-load information so have to use a "smart-card" and reader to print of details then go and let receptionists put the patient details in so that can be printed on to a causality attendance card which then becomes part of the patients record. It is hoped that sometime in the future we'll be able to up-load direct to network and cas card prints and we don't have to bother the busy staff on front desk!!










ah dream times !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

jambutty 03-05-2007 11:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 418699)
It must be very frustrating Lettie for anyone within the NHS who can see why it isn't working and yet still to be tied by all the nonsense.

I don't know if Blackburn A&E is the same as Lancaster Jambutty but when I went there with my daughter one summer they explained that the few people you see in the waiting room are the walking wounded with no life threatening problems. What you don't see are those brought in by ambulance and those whose lives hang in the balance and whose needs must take precedence so although it seems on the surface that they are taking forever to deal with a handful of patients you are not seeing all the others whose need is far greater.
I appreciate that ambulance cases should take precedence over the ‘walking wounded’ but during the time that my daughter’s feller was waiting he only saw two ambulances arrive.

Ber999T 03-05-2007 12:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 418986)
I appreciate that ambulance cases should take precedence over the ‘walking wounded’ but during the time that my daughter’s feller was waiting he only saw two ambulances arrive.
I understand what your saying jambutty but if there is a serious case that needs several things checking i.e. fractures, breathing, blood loss, abdominal injuries all these are done but the specialist staff sometimes have to be called in from home.

So for a time the A&E staff have to look after the patients or get them transferred.

2 ambulances could well have had 2 serious cases.

We never know what we will find when called out, as sometime the information has not been gleaned from the person making the call, but we know that if it serious then a stand-by call to A&E will ensure that staff are aware of what we are bringing in..

WillowTheWhisp 03-05-2007 12:48
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When my daughter was rushed to Blackburn A&E following a road accident she was in a critical life threatening condition for several hours. If anyone sitting in A&E is then capable of going home and coming back the next day without having been seen and then complains about the staff not being available because 'only' two ambulances turned up all I can say is be thankful that it isn't one of your loved ones in one of those ambulances.

WillowTheWhisp 03-05-2007 12:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyfr (Post 418846)
Its not free though is it. We are taxed out of our ears, and then stealth taxed some more.

Therefore we have a right to complain about the service.
Especially considering that people within the service itself also complain because they can see at close quarters where it is all going wrong.

SPUGGIE J 03-05-2007 13:21
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We all owe or will owe a lot to the people that do these jobs and we should be thankful they do. I dont care how it is paid for providing it is there whwn it is needed as it has in the past. Those on the front line know more than we in general do and therefore cannot be dismissed. It would be like commenting on a sports match without having been there or even seen highlights. Those that hate can do so but I hope that you dont need them in a hurry because if the service suffers lives are lost and next time it could be you the needs their help!

Lambasting a service that is helpful is not the way forward. If they need to do something that benifits then fine but the defeatist attitude makes it harder on the front line people!

Rant over!!

shillelagh 03-05-2007 13:56
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Ok in the last 8 months i've been carted off in an ambulance (Thanks Ber). I hate going in them because i know what i need - to go home and go to bed but one time nhs direct told me to ring for an ambulance and the other the iceland staff rang for it and i very much doubt they would have let me go home on the bus seeing as i wasnt with it. Both times i sat in the waiting room but i was lucky there wasnt much wrong with me just the after effects. Anyway when i went in at 3am - was home for 4.30am. The other was a saturday afternoon at 4.30 pm - was in a&e till 8.00pm. I was seen by a nurse but they like to make sure that im ok that there are no broken bones etc.

I cant thank the ambulance service enough for what they do. They looked after my mum and look after me. A & E is exactly the same they do a good job so what if i have to wait if someone else has come in. They do have to check to see if you are the walking wounded or lying wounded. If they need their help more urgent than what i need it then do it i can wait.

bullseyebarb 04-05-2007 17:16
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Cyfr, so sorry to hear that your health problems have still not been resolved. What a treadmill you've been on the last year and a half!

Coincidence, perhaps, that you should bring up this subject again since Eric from Ontario and I have been having a little back and forth on the merits, (or lack thereof), of socialized medicine on another thread. I just pulled up an article from June 8th, 2005, written by David Asman, comparing the care his wife received under the British NHS vs that of the U.S. system. I think it is a very fair assessment.

www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110006785

garinda 04-05-2007 17:51
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I'm sorry to read they still haven't found out what is ailing you Cyfr. Fingers crossed.

Personally I can't fault the treatment I receive for Parkinson's Disease. The drugs I'm currently on are relatively expensive, and through reading various Parkinson's forums, a lot of people in the U.S.A. are unable to access the most effective treatments for the disease, because they're unable to afford them, and no health insurance firms will touch them with a barger pole.

Thank goodness for the N.H.S.

Not perfect, but I perish the thought of the alternative.

slinky 04-05-2007 18:06
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Cyfr I hope you recover or find out soon. It is terrible to be Ill, but I think it's the weeks, month's or even years of worry you have to go through not knowing what is wrong. It's a awful feeling when you know there could be something wrong but no-one seems to give a damn.

I hope you get to the bottom of it soon x

Neil 04-05-2007 18:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyfr (Post 418465)
Yes I saw a consultant on first occasion, but none of the previous notes were seen by the junior doctor on the second occasion, both in Blackburn and Manchester.
Yep that happened to me. The Doc I saw had no idea what my consultant planned to do. I explained to him that I did not mean to be rude but he was wasting my time, I had come out of work, his own time and the nurses time. He made a phone call to the consultants secretary and I saw my consultant the following week. He did some tests and operated. You can't let them mess you around. Tell them what you want and what you expect from them. If you want to see your consultant then make sure when you get your appointment through that he/she will be seeing you. If you get their and it is not the consultant ask why and make another appointment. If you make a nuisance of yourself in a positive and polite way you should get what you want.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 418681)
A couple of weeks ago my daughter’s feller got a sliver of metal in his eye so he went to A & E Blackburn. The sign said a minimum of 6 hours wait yet there were less than a dozen people waiting to be seen. After an hour when no one had been attended to he walked out.
That post made me think of 2 things.

1. We have no idea what is going on the other side of the wall in A&E. There may have been a major RTA and patients brought in my ambulance.

2. If he left A&E without getting his eye sorted out then he really needs his head sorting out. Eyes are far to precious to walk out of A&E because it looked like nothing was happening.

chrissy 04-05-2007 18:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyfr (Post 418460)
Where do I start. Christmas 2005 I started getting really bad headaches and then felt really sick, so I went to my doctor when it continued for a few days.
I was given medication, the headaches went away but the sickness didn't and I also had bad stomach pains.

The pains got so bad in early January that I called 999 because it was that bad at one point. I had bloods done, and more medications and a drip because I'd lost a lot of fluid from being sick all the time.

Over time throwing up stopped (months we're talking) but the feeling sick and pain did not stop. I went back to my doctor many many times, he gave me lots of different types of medication none of which helped. I had an endoscopy (camera down in to my stomach) which I had to wait like 8weeks for, and a CT scan which was also going to be an 8weeks wait. However its not as if I just had 16weeks and I was all checked out, had to go in and out of the doctors and out of patients surgery every few weeks, sometimes more than once a week, in order to convince them that they needed to put me on the waiting list.

Neither the Endoscopy or CT scan showed anything conclusive. So my doctor and consultant basicly put it down to something i'd have to live with.

I kept going back and annoying my doctor, because I wasn't getting better, feeling sick EVERY DAY and nothing was working. By now its had a major impact on my every day life, I mean how would you feel to be sick 24/7?

We insisted we be refered to a specialist in Manchester which we were, weeks and weeks later I got another test for stomach acid. Then another 6weeks later (today) I visited Manchester Royal Infirmary for the results.

We had to wait 2hours longer than our appointment time, then we saw a doctor, who wasn't the consultant which we had on our letter, who had NO case notes, NO test results had NO idea what had been going on for the last 1.5years, and gave me medication which i've already had and didn't work. Now I have to wait a further 7weeks to be seen again.

I really can't express how angry I am. I have been passed pillar to post for the last 1.5years and it's quite frankly beyond the joke. The waiting times are a joke for things they could just tell me over the phone, or things that just don't need to wait that long for, the communication between departments is a shambles. How am I ever supposed to get anywhere if I have to explain my situation to a different doctor everytime I visit? I'm not getting any followups, im being treated as a new patient everytime I visit.

One point five years. I'm an otherwise healthy 18year old who should be enjoying life, but I can't. I don't understand how they can get it so wrong. Why can't somebody sit down, understand the situation, follow the situation through to the end resulting in a diagnosis and treatment?

Quite frankly, Mr Blair, Mr Brown, and New Labour, your waiting times might be down, but it dosn't mean a damn thing if people are not getting better.
Sorry to hear about your bad luck, hope you soon get well Cyfr I too am disillusioned with the NHS. I went through hell a couple of years ago after a major op. I found that people (some nurses and doctors) just dont listen to what you have to say, if someone had, then I wouldnt have had to go in for a further 3 more ops.The things I witnessed on the wards was disgusting to say the least, and Ive witnessed how some of these super bugs can get passed. :mad:

bullseyebarb 04-05-2007 18:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 419533)
The drugs I'm currently on are relatively expensive, and through reading various Parkinson's forums, a lot of people in the U.S.A. are unable to access the most effective treatments for the disease, because they're unable to afford them, and no health insurance firms will touch them with a barger pole.
They should contact the pharmacutical companies directly. Most, if not all, have special programs for people who lack the insurance coverage or necessary income. Patients who qualify receive medications at low cost.....and sometimes for free.

steeljack 04-05-2007 19:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bullseyebarb (Post 419564)
They should contact the pharmacutical companies directly. Most, if not all, have special programs for people who lack the insurance coverage or necessary income. Patients who qualify receive medications at low cost.....and sometimes for free.
Bullseyebarb , Yep the drug companies have special programs for needy patients, but let me tell you a story, I know two people who have serious medical problems requiring multiple drugs , both are no longer able to work and are on disability, through various un-ethical and legal means both have been dropped by their insurance companies , Both applied to the manufacturers of the drugs they were taking asking if any relief was possible , guess what ......four companies came back with great news, they all had new drugs better than the ones they were taking , the only 'hang-up' was the drugs were still unapproved and in still in the testing stage and would they like to join a testing panel , oh, just one thing , they would be required to sign waivers absolving the drug companies of any future liabilities other wise sorry couldn't help.
I do appreciate the fact that new drugs have to be tested, in fact I have partaken in them myself for a new medication (til I recieved an emergency phone call at work telling to stop immediatly) but the point is I wasn't being blackmailed and I hadn't signed any waivers,

;) :D

garinda 04-05-2007 21:20
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I recently got legless, and was shocked to find out my medical insurance had ran out, which leaves me on a bit of a sticky wicket.
I feel like I am going round in circles, could you possibly help me?
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andrewb 04-05-2007 21:40
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I am thankfull that we have the NHS rather than the American system, however I still think the NHS could be in a lot better shape.

cashman 04-05-2007 22:29
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Originally Posted by Cyfr (Post 419665)
I am thankfull that we have the NHS rather than the American system, however I still think the NHS could be in a lot better shape.
so yer thankful to labour for summat then, hope yer get sorted sooner,rather n later.;)

andrewb 04-05-2007 22:30
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Thankfull for them introducing the NHS, but I don't judge them based on something 59years ago! :p

Eric 04-05-2007 22:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyfr (Post 419665)
I am thankfull that we have the NHS rather than the American system, however I still think the NHS could be in a lot better shape.
I agree. I believe that health care, even though it should not be, is a political issue. In Canada, whenever any govt. provincial or federal proposes tinkering with our health system, Canadians speak out very forcefully and tell them to "F***ing A forget it." When politicians come asking for votes, they are told not to mess with medicare.

Last year I had complicate surgery to bypass a plugged aorta. One of the best vascular surgeons in Canada did the surgery. I had 3 days in intensive care, and two weeks on the ward. After I got home, a home care nurse changed dressings and took out the staples. I now take lipitor daily .... and the cost to me? A few cents extra tax on gas, cigs, booze ... like the important stuff. The NHS may be in a mess, but I think it is still much better than the American medicine for profit system.

cashman 04-05-2007 23:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyfr (Post 419693)
Thankfull for them introducing the NHS, but I don't judge them based on something 59years ago! :p
thats true 3 years after the war when there was a conservative goverment, many returned home in 45 wounded and ex-prisoners of war (my dad was one) yet ask yourself why the torys never brought it in then.:(

Gayle 20-05-2007 15:33
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Well I'm very thankful for the NHS. Yesterday I fell - a particularly foolish accident - anyway, I went up to A&E and was dealt with very quickly. They x-rayed me to make sure my spine, shoulder and hip were ok, which I thought was very thorough. Everywhere was very clean and I was in and out within a couple of hours. So, once again, nothing but praise for the system.

I'm fine by the way, although a few delightful shades of blue, purple and black.

cashman 20-05-2007 15:38
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saw a consultant last tuesday, got a letter with op appointment for 29th may on sat, cant complain at that.:)

grego 20-05-2007 16:43
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Took my 6 month old on Wednesday, was seen on time, the consultants were very good, his skin is clearing of eczema already and he's like a different baby, so I've no complaints either.
Hope your ok Gayle.

Gayle 20-05-2007 16:56
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Very sore Grego but will be ok.

Neil 20-05-2007 17:40
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I hope you are not too badly bruised.
I think you had better put your Wonder Woman outfit back in the drawer, its safer to let Chris do the jumping from on top of the wardrobe in his batman suit instead of you doing it. :D

MargaretR 22-05-2007 00:58
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At 4pm today, I cut my finger deep whilst cutting up a raw chicken into portions for freezing. I poured TCP on it and managed to stop the bleeding. Five hours later it had started to swell and ache so I rang NHS Direct who told me to go to A&E. Was told on arrival at 9.30pm that there was a 3 hour queue!!!
I had a tetanus injection and a finger splint and have got back home after 4 hours at 1.30am. That is an abysmal service - especially since the 2 vending machines were out of order too!! - There were young children in there waiting and suffering - no means of refreshment!!!
The chairs were not designed for sitting on for 3 hours- Altogether a most dismal experience. :(

Neil 22-05-2007 05:30
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Who do you intend to complain to beside us Margaret? I don't mean to be rude but telling us wont make a difference, complaining to the right people might, especially about the vending machines. It is difficult when you are sat waiting, I have been there more than once. You have no idea what is going on behind closed doors. The medical staff could be watching TV or dealing with a serious traffic accident.

steeljack 22-05-2007 05:51
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yep , vending machines in the emergency area , great idea , pour loads of caffine and sugar down the throats of accident 'victims' , I'm sure the EMTs appreciate blood pressure/sugar level readings way out of whack
Doh:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

davo69 22-05-2007 06:16
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vending machines are s good idea have you ever gone in with some one else and sat round for hours

MargaretR 22-05-2007 06:21
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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 427886)
Who do you intend to complain to beside us Margaret? I don't mean to be rude but telling us wont make a difference, complaining to the right people might, especially about the vending machines.
I think I've done more than my share of complaining lately ;) -worn out with the struggle.:bangh8:

steeljack 22-05-2007 06:23
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Originally Posted by davo69 (Post 427900)
vending machines are s good idea have you ever gone in with some one else and sat round for hours
seem to remember that Blackburn Royal Infirmary had an adequetly supplied and staffed cafeteria down on the basement level away from the trauma areas where visitors could get a cuppa without it interfering with the medical activities :) :p :)

davo69 22-05-2007 06:32
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it was closed at 3 am when i was there

MargaretR 22-05-2007 06:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 427904)
seem to remember that Blackburn Royal Infirmary had an adequetly supplied and staffed cafeteria down on the basement level away from the trauma areas where visitors could get a cuppa without it interfering with the medical activities :) :p :)
There is no BRI anymore - we got this super duper new 'sick palace' 'on the tops' near Shadsworth - Never saw any signs to any cafe - I did ask!
I will have to join this discussion later today -got to travel to Whitefield for that denture fitting (which is costing me an arm and 3 legs- because I cant get an NHS dentist and cant eat anything but mush).
So I'm not in a mood for chat after only 4 hours sleep and 6 buses to use to get there and back
ps - got let off the £4 parking fee by flashing my disabled bus pass -every cloud has its silver lining

alan7554 22-05-2007 10:10
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in may 2001,i got knocked down by a taxi,resulting in crucial ligament damage to both knee,s after treatment and being under a specialist(mr r paton) for 6 years i have been informed that i am not old enough for knee cap replacement (due to the bone splintering and rubbing away) but i am to old for steroid injections and key hole surgery,they can put a tube in my knee,s and suck the bits of bone out,but it will be another 6 years on the waiting list for a replacement operation,so to put it mildly being in limbo is not the word i would use,

grego 22-05-2007 10:32
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Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 427907)
There is no BRI anymore - we got this super duper new 'sick palace' 'on the tops' near Shadsworth - Never saw any signs to any cafe - I did ask!
I will have to join this discussion later today -got to travel to Whitefield for that denture fitting (which is costing me an arm and 3 legs- because I cant get an NHS dentist and cant eat anything but mush).
So I'm not in a mood for chat after only 4 hours sleep and 6 buses to use to get there and back
ps - got let off the £4 parking fee by flashing my disabled bus pass -every cloud has its silver lining
The new hospital has 2 cafe's in the entrance area also a coffee shop and staff cafeteria at the other end of the hospital, a supermarket style shop where you can buy drinks and sandwiches and pretty much anything else you might need, dont know what time it closes though. I dont understand why you would have to pay for parking Margaret when it took you 6 buses to get there:confused:
Hope your finger's ok though I'm cringing just thinking about it.

Ianto.W. 22-05-2007 11:55
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Thank the good Lord for the Health Service, just been for my 3 monthly CT Scan and Blood results, yippee all clear for another 3 months. Is there no A&E at Accrington Victoria for minor injuies like cut fingers and the like?, I thought it was open untill 9pm, It was last time I cut my finger on a corned beef tin.

Neil 22-05-2007 12:03
Re: The NHS is rediculous
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ianto.W. (Post 427951)
Is there no A&E at Accrington Victoria for minor injuies like cut fingers and the like?, I thought it was open untill 9pm, It was last time I cut my finger on a corned beef tin.
There is but I think you are better going to Blackburn.

MargaretR 22-05-2007 13:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by grego (Post 427937)
I dont understand why you would have to pay for parking Margaret when it took you 6 buses to get there:confused:

Hope your finger's ok though I'm cringing just thinking about it.
I'm sorry I wasnt clear about that - drove my car to hosp last night, but used bus to Whitefield today. I am not fit to drive to Whitefield because I have blurred vision in one eye (hopefully a temp condition- Blepharitis a few weks back)

grego 22-05-2007 14:30
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Blimey Margaret, you dont sound in a good way at the mo, hope things improve for you soon.:)

MargaretR 22-05-2007 14:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by grego (Post 427994)
Blimey Margaret, you dont sound in a good way at the mo, hope things improve for you soon.:)
Just old age rot :D - your turn will come - thanks for your concern

bullseyebarb 22-05-2007 15:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ianto.W. (Post 427951)
Thank the good Lord for the Health Service, just been for my 3 monthly CT Scan and Blood results, yippee all clear for another 3 months.
This is excellent news, Ian. I'm happy for you.

grannyclaret 22-05-2007 15:17
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[quote=Ianto.W.;427951]Thank the good Lord for the Health Service, just been for my 3 monthly CT Scan and Blood results, yippee all clear for another 3 months. quote]
.................................................. .................................................. .................
"NICE ONE " i am glad you think the n.h.s. is a good thing too....ITS BEEN A GODSEND TO OUR FAMILY

garinda 22-05-2007 15:18
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I'm glad you had good news re: your test results too, Ianto.:)

lettie 22-05-2007 16:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by grego (Post 427937)
The new hospital has 2 cafe's in the entrance area also a coffee shop and staff cafeteria at the other end of the hospital, a supermarket style shop where you can buy drinks and sandwiches and pretty much anything else you might need, dont know what time it closes though. I dont understand why you would have to pay for parking Margaret when it took you 6 buses to get there:confused:
Hope your finger's ok though I'm cringing just thinking about it.
The hospital does have cafes in the main entrance (not the A&E entrance), I think that these close at about 8pm ish. I would have thought that there would be vending machines in A&E but maybe they are not such a good idea...
Considering the amount of drunks we get in there at the weekend, the vending machines would be vandalised in no time, also, many people visiting A&E end up being admitted for surgery, even if it is only to reduce a fracture. Eating and drinking prior to seeing the doctor may delay any surgery that is necessary. I'll take a packed lunch with me next time I go. :D

cashman 22-05-2007 16:47
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good result iantow, keep batting mate.;)

Wynonie Harris 22-05-2007 19:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 428040)
good result iantow, keep batting mate.;)
I'll second that! Really glad to hear about that, Ian. :D

Ianto.W. 22-05-2007 20:30
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Thank's to all my friends and anyone who knows me, I am over the moon with the results as I was a born 'pessimist'. Her indoors Bernadete and myself have been out celebrating, no more hospital till August, Benidorm here we come, anyone who is having a raw deal keep up the pressure, the more you shout the more likeley you are to be heard. Thank's again 'love to you all'. Ian.XXX.

spinner 22-05-2007 21:05
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glad to hear the good news ianto

Ianto.W. 22-05-2007 21:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spinner (Post 428131)
glad to hear the good news ianto
Cheers spinner thank's for your support in my dark hours.;)

Eric 22-05-2007 21:16
Re: The NHS is rediculous
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ianto.W. (Post 427951)
Thank the good Lord for the Health Service, just been for my 3 monthly CT Scan and Blood results, yippee all clear for another 3 months. Is there no A&E at Accrington Victoria for minor injuies like cut fingers and the like?, I thought it was open untill 9pm, It was last time I cut my finger on a corned beef tin.
Glad to hear the good news ... I know it's tough when the old bod starts to wear out. Just had my 6 month vascular testing and blood work ... It seems as if the surgery and lipitor worked ... just to think of all the double pudding chips and peas I had in my youth makes my aorta squirm:D

cashman 22-05-2007 23:10
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hey ian you'll need more surgery if ya do Benidorm. it nearly bloody killed me.:D have a good un.:)

harwood red 22-05-2007 23:13
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Oooo glad to hear you got the all clear Ian..... :)

Wynonie Harris 23-05-2007 07:21
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[quote=grannyclaret;428008]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ianto.W. (Post 427951)
"NICE ONE " i am glad you think the n.h.s. is a good thing too....ITS BEEN A GODSEND TO OUR FAMILY
Sorry, Granny, still think you are missing the point. Most people think the NHS is a "good thing". In fact, everyone (with the possible exception of Barb) supports the NHS in principle and has the highest regard for the doctors, technicians, nurses, porters and all the other frontline staff. The criticism is against Blair and his government for raising considerable funds for the NHS via taxes and then proceeding to waste a large amount of it on bureaucracy, pen pushers, malfunctioning, unwanted IT systems and the like. This was a golden opportunity to make the NHS better and Blair has wasted it!

Ianto.W. 24-05-2007 22:51
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Thank's a million all of you, I say again you are the greatest motivator without your support and as I say friends like you I would find things very difficult. I do not seek sympathy I love a good scrap so if you do not aggree with me say so, because I'd damn well tell you.:D

grannyclaret 25-05-2007 13:31
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http://www.jammerbabe.com/images/Smiley/beach2.gifhttp://www.jammerbabe.com/images/gifs/icon_spa.gifHAVE A WONDERFUL HOLIDAY.........

bullseyebarb 25-05-2007 16:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 428250)
Most people think the NHS is a "good thing". In fact, everyone (with the possible exception of Barb) supports the NHS in principle and has the highest regard for the doctors, technicians, nurses, porters and all the other frontline staff.
In my youth, I worked in Gloucester for one of the premier orthopedic surgeons in England, John F. Bourdillon. Even back then the NHS had tremendous strains placed upon it. Mr. Bourdillon always felt that his hospital clinics resembled a conveyor belt. He thought it very unfair to the patients when he was overscheduled, (which happened all the time). A year after I emigrated to the U.S., he was offered a position in Canada, (prior to its own foray into the field of socialized medicine).

Ber999T 26-05-2007 03:08
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Good news for you IanW.................as to AVH MIU it is open everyday from 08:30-20:00, between 15:00-18:00 it is a Nurse lead unit (No Dr on duty), X-ray dept in use, they can suture, dress wounds etc But you have to walk in there Ambulance will not take

mani 26-05-2007 03:32
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cant add anythign useful to this apart from i hope u get well soon cyfr

just keep on top of the doc and keep the pressure on.

my mum recently got diagnosed with breast cancer and we couldnt believe how lax they were at making appointments and the lack of communication from their sides

andrewb 26-05-2007 09:05
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Understandably many of you have had good experience with the NHS, especially with much more serious things than I have. I suppose really its the fact that they just don't know what it is and I have to wait 8weeks everytime I see someone for 10minutes while they try and guess what it might be.

The waiting for 8weeks is really awful. I can't get any relief from it because none of the tablets appear to work (well no wonder, since nobody really knows what it is). I just wake up feeling really ill with a lot of pain and sickness.. and that is SO incredibly demotivating.

lindsay ormerod 28-05-2007 14:13
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My brother in law recently chopped the end off his finger in an accident at work in Blackburn,it was mid afternoon on a Thursday; he didn't actually get it operated on till the Sunday;a mere 60 hours of sitting around in agony with bone protruding from the end of his finger ! He had to go to Preston for the surgery and was sat there all day friday waiting for a space in theatre,he couldn't have anything to eat or drink and was then sent home untreated at 5 o'clock. He had to then ring the hospital every 3 hours on the saturday to see if they could fit him in; finally got it done on the sunday.
He is no whinger but he was in considerable pain,the finger end was badly mangled and the bone sticking out.Choice words were said and I don't blame him,it was frustrating for all of us around him and we even considered clubbing together to get him seen privately.Leaving him with such an open wound strikes me as plain stupid. He is still off work for another 3 weeks at least and has lost up to his first knuckle on his ring finger.:mad:

grego 28-05-2007 14:16
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Thats disgusting Lindsay, you'd think he would have been classed as emergency.

Ianto.W. 29-05-2007 00:43
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Quote:
lindsay ormerod, He is no whinger but he was in considerable pain,the finger end was badly mangled and the bone sticking out
That is one of if not the most painfull parts of the body, as the nerve ends are naturally very sensitive there. I trust they gave the usual mickey mouse painkillers (paracetamol), not a lot of use, yes lindsay as you say poor show that, and Preston Royal is a nightmare to get to and from if it's a first time.

cashman 29-05-2007 14:58
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attended hospital today @ 12-30 for minor op, at 13-30 a nurse came to my room and said i was number 3 on the list, at 14-30 another nurse came and said, sorry sir the guy is on holiday in wales, we will have to cancel,they offered me food n drink which i accepted,being bloody starving, but it leaves a lot to be desired with the communications of these people. have just arrived home now after being told i will recieve a letter for june 12th, which is the guys next surgery at gisburn.:( would have been blazing at this,once of a day,now i just accept it lol

norwich stanley 29-05-2007 15:37
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Five weeks ago i went to local doctors with severe stomach pains,i was also peeing about 40 times a day.1st doctor i saw sent me home with pills and said it was stress related,i went back a week later and saw a different doctor,got given more painkillers and told to change my diet.I went back three days later still in severe pain,and third doctor finally reccomended hospital.I went to hospital next day and they found i had a kidney stone.I had a stent fitted,which i had a bad reaction to-and am peeing blood 40times a day.About two weeks ago i got rushed to hospital in an ambulance and got put on the urgent list,but after 4 days got sent home as there was no one to do op.Next i get an appointment for 1 oclock today to go in for the op tommorow,needless to say i am still sitting at home at 4-35 awaiting a call to say they have a bed for me.(I hope that lot makes sense as i am in pain and fed up)

garinda 29-05-2007 16:00
Re: The NHS is rediculous
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by norwich stanley (Post 430179)
Five weeks ago i went to local doctors with severe stomach pains,i was also peeing about 40 times a day.1st doctor i saw sent me home with pills and said it was stress related,i went back a week later and saw a different doctor,got given more painkillers and told to change my diet.I went back three days later still in severe pain,and third doctor finally reccomended hospital.I went to hospital next day and they found i had a kidney stone.I had a stent fitted,which i had a bad reaction to-and am peeing blood 40times a day.About two weeks ago i got rushed to hospital in an ambulance and got put on the urgent list,but after 4 days got sent home as there was no one to do op.Next i get an appointment for 1 oclock today to go in for the op tommorow,needless to say i am still sitting at home at 4-35 awaiting a call to say they have a bed for me.(I hope that lot makes sense as i am in pain and fed up)
Hope they send for, and sort you out soon.:)

cashman 29-05-2007 16:12
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now that i would NOT accept, hope you get sorted ASAP norwich stanley.

norwich stanley 29-05-2007 16:12
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Thanks Garinda,finally got a call and now on way to hospital.Expect a slow time on quiz tommorow for me as very difficult to play in hospital.(Shakey mouse)

MargaretR 29-05-2007 16:25
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Pain relief does appear to be low on NHS priority list. About 2 years ago distalgesic was available on prescription, but then it was removed from the list, (but it is still availabe in Eire). The reason for removal? - too many people were using it for suicide!.
It was the only painkiller which worked for me and my osteoarthritis (because I have a minor stomach problem, cant take the others). So I now get only paracetemol which does very little to relieve pain - and pain is one of reasons people contemplate suicide anyway!! -ironic?

Neil 29-05-2007 16:58
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Now you can't get distalgesic ( well you can at certain Doctors in Accy because my Mother in law still does) people will just use something else, probably paracetamol. One packet of 16 should see you off no problem.

andrewb 29-05-2007 17:22
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The irony of all this is that the NHS have underspent by £500m it has emerged. No wonder im still ill.

WillowTheWhisp 29-05-2007 17:29
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I hope you get sorted out properly this time Norwich Stanley. The situation is just ludicrous.

MargaretR 29-05-2007 17:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil (Post 430211)
Now you can't get distalgesic ( well you can at certain Doctors in Accy because my Mother in law still does) people will just use something else, probably paracetamol. One packet of 16 should see you off no problem.
Since I posted I have done some more web searching - distalgesic is now banned in Eire too - but Hansard shows that docors here CAN prescribe it in special circumstances only until Dec 2007.
(I am considering asking for it - it is better than having to lie down for 1/2 hour in every 4)

Neil 29-05-2007 18:01
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Ask for it Margaret. Which Doctors do you use?

MargaretR 29-05-2007 18:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil (Post 430253)
Ask for it Margaret. Which Doctors do you use?
Manuel - the irishman with the spanish name - I think his ancestors were Spanish Armada survivors :D


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