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http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk...dfarm_plan.php

Looks like Accrington might be getting a windfarm!!!

That is if the plans go in and the meetings with councillors go ok and public meetings etc

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And people moaned about a flying saucer on the coppice :D :D :D

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has anyone been near one of these?
they bloody massive!!
only look little things far away, couldnt believe it when i saw one close up!!

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They look better than pylons

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They look better than singing, ringing trees, as far as I'm concerned!

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we have quite a lot up here,was driving passed 1 the other day and seen it wasnt working,as we got closer there was a small figure,got closer it was a man dangling from a harness repairing it,wouldnt have noticed him if we hadnt got as close as we did

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Totally uncalled for dig!:mad:

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Well I don't think they look better or worse than pylons but because there are so many pylons around I don't see how anyone can object to them. I don't find either offensive to look at but they are a better and more sustainable source of energy.

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I have seen these things being transported and wouldnt want them near me.

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nothing living would go near you spug when youve had a few.:D personally i think they aint displeasing to the eye, unlike things others have mentioned.;) :D

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It wasn't a dig, it was a genuine observation. I think they look quite graceful and I find them far more aesthetically pleasing than the tree. Only my personal opinion, mind!

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Cheers for that cashy. :D

Depends on whether I have been on the veggies or rum and black. Either way the wind farm I become could power my house. :O

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Well I don't think they look better or worse than pylons --------do you go fishing at all gayle?:D

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theres nowt wrong with em:D

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At least windfarms serve a useful purpose. The singing, ringing tree seems to have no use whatsoever, except to win "awards" that the vast majority of us who live in the real world couldn't care less about.

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i think the windfarms are quite pleasing on the eye and i,m not against the proposal

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well ive seen them in places where they really have made a blip on the eye and believe me i think if any of you had them close to you , you would have a different view on them ..they are noisy, ugly and are taking over some of the most panoramic beautiful spots of land ... tell me if you lived up on the tops of ossy and had georgous views , would you really want one of them in your way?? i certainly wouldnt... good luck with em is all i can say.

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well ive seen places where these awful things have been placed and its dreadful... they totally ruin the landscape ,they are soo noisey and i for one would not like to live close to them ....think very hard before you go praising these awful things ... if they are out at sea fine but you really wouldnt like them on your doorstep....

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I heard that they are really noisy. I was gonna buy a house on the road to rochdale (owd betts) but later found about the windfarm being built up there between edenfield and rochdale. did a lot of searching and there is a lot of opposition to them in the area.

I cant understand why they dont build them in the sea or near the sea. when i went to tenerife there were loads on the beach

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Have expressed my opinion in prior threads re. windfarms and just reiterating ... basically, I am in love with them .. gorgeous, graceful,hypnotic, green,forward thinking and artistic .. bring 'em on. :love: :da:

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You aren't the dolly bird in the sports car that Windy Miller drives off with, are you?


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4360482.stm

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Here you are Kate, you can watch the windmill and old Windy getting his oats.:)




http://www.loosemoose.net/html/quaker_windy.php

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were you not listening to em in tenerife?:D

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theres quite a few out to sea over here and they arent a prob but i certainly wouldnt like to live close to em ..they make an awful buzzing noise ....

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put them out at sea not near houses no dowt in years to come they will find out they are the cause of some nasty things like cancer or something

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How very very dare you suggest that I would lower my standards to look after the needs of an overbloated flour grinder in a blue dress !! Umph!

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This article in today's Guardian

http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,2086626,00.html

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This is something new and we would have to get use,t to them poping up all over the place now

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cant see a lot wrong with em,sighted in a suitable place, i love the countryside as much as anyone from a town can, but the fact remains we need ENERGY, as i said earlier i find em pleasing to the eye, so if their situated out of living areas i cannot see the problem.

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Here, here Cashman, wouldn't like them to be a nuisance to anyone though.

Suppose you have seen in the Observer a proposal to site some over Ossie .. well, would certainly put us on the map for interest value if nowt else.

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But is it art? :D

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you may have to change from overlooking ducks and geese to overlooking ducks and geese and windmills gary.:D

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This was on rossendale online

http://www.rossendaleonline.co.uk/showthread.php?t=555

It covers a big big area.

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yeh its a big area,but i'm surprised that 253 people can use the internet up that way.:D

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What I'd like to know katex is were does the s**t come out, at least the old Windmills had a door and you could live in them. Why doesn't some bright spark include living accomodation, then you could really fall in love with them.:D. Free lectric and all mod coms chucked in.:p

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Cashy do you want a beer shampoo on saturday night?:D Because you are heading the right way for that!!!!!:D :D And it will be your beer as well!!!!

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Sorry to dissapoint you shilleagh cashy doesn't drink.:D It's going to have to be your ale i'm afraid.:p

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I'm another that finds them quite hypnotic and graceful although I do know they can be a bit noisy and are a danger to local birdlife.

In these days of 'green' madness I think we will be making choices between things like this and nuclear. I'm not fussed either way, YMMV of course

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It seems that it is likely to be at map ref SD783232
which the expanse of moor between Haslingden Rd (top road) and Grane Rd. The Observer says that a joint consultation with Hyndburn & Rossendale Council is needed, and the council border goes through the middle of this map ref I have shown. Google earth does not show it to be near any built up area - maybe there are some hermits up there - who knows

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Ps - that map ref doent seem to be the right one - sorry -try SD 755240

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That one took me to a delicatessen in Alabama :o

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Sorry Willow - I must be having a 'senior moment' or two
I was using Multimap for that ref
Use BB4 4 UK on Google Earth
On google earth the roads are Roundhill Rd and Park Rd

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I'll make him buy a pint ian dont you worry!!! :D Do you honestly think i'd waste a pint on him? :D

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No, not in the true meaning of the word garinda .. trust you .. more 'art by accident' sort of. All engineering is a type of art :rolleyes:

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I think we should all have a turbine on our roof and solar panels with large wind farms to power schools and the like

I have been trying to by a proper turbine for 2 years (not the B & Q tiddler) and its harder work than working!

I have a green energy consultant coming on my radio show some time next month and I hope to make my house a little power goldmine!!!!

Loweiy

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I'll bet he'll be a no show shillelagh not much fun in a pub if you can't drink. I will not be there as 'barmy Charlie' my wifes ex goes in there and he's a three pint drunk. Church is not the most suitable place, What is wrong with Accrington, The upstairs room at the Canine WM Club is fine I could probably get it for nothing if it's not booked, it is also central for all members and guaranteed trouble free, the Queens in my opinion has always been a dump.

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i'll be there no problem, if cashy says hes goin anywere- he goes.;) hey ian you pi$$ed? were in the wrong thread.

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well you are going to have to get use,t to them because i think they will be poping up all over

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I was one of the few Councillors who attended a briefing with the company with our Planning Department. It was interesting and they are very committed to the ecology and local feelings.

I don't think the main question is will they blight the landscape, though I am sure for some people it is. In these troubled times with energy, the main question for me is do we need them or not. I believe we do so I would be prepared to make some compromise.

If we ever went to rationing, would the fact that it is here help Hyndburn? The output they said would be around 15-20 Megawatts which is quite significant.

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I received a press release from the company who is dealing with this and asked if they minded me printing it on here - this is the full text.



Monday 24th September 2007


HASLINGDEN MOOR WIND FARM PROPOSAL


A specialist team of environmental consultants are still working on proposals to build a wind farm to generate green electricity at Haslingden Moor. An application to central government for consent to erect a temporary anemometer mast on the moor will be made on Wednesday 26th September. Project Manager, Judith Cornfield, said that “Local people already know that the area is very windy, a mast sited on the moor itself will provide additional valuable information to confirm publicly available wind speed data.” As Haslingden Moor is common land an additional consent is required from central government in addition to planning permission. An application also will be made to Rossendale Borough Council for planning permission for the anemometer mast during October.

Energiekontor have been investigating the potential environmental impact of a wind farm across a study area which includes Haslingden Moor, Thirteen Stone Hill and Oswaldtwistle Moor. The company has ruled out positioning turbines on Thirteen Stone Hill, recorded in the National Monuments Record as the site of a possible stone circle, and close to several farm houses. They believe that 10 turbines of up to 122 m to blade tip could be sensitively sited on Haslingden Moor and they are still continuing their investigations into the possibility of positioning turbines on Oswaldtwislte Moor.

Judith said “Our environmental investigations should be completed soon and we are expecting to hold a public exhibition where people will be able to see what the proposed wind farm will look like before the end of the year. A full planning application will be made to Hyndburn Borough Council and Rossendale Borough Council following the exhibition.” Meanwhile an application for consent to build on common land is being lodged with central government for erection of ten turbines on Haslingden Moor. Ten turbines would generate enough green electricity for 13,500 homes, a town twice the size of Haslingden.

Energiekontor have produced an information leaflet which is available from local libraries or from their web site: EnergieKontor.

ENDS
Contact: Judith Cornfield at Energiekontor UK Ltd,
Tel 01423 799042, Fax 01423 799049,
[email protected]

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The British taxpayer currently subsidises these so-called 'Green' wind farms to the tune of half a billion quid a year. I am absolutely amazed that the representatives of Hyndburn and Lancashire Council are even considering allowing a bunch of Germans to come along, dececrate our beloved landscape and then get their pockets lined, courtesy of us.

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Maps of the world, country map search - powered by Multimap
The map ref I put here at the time we were discussing it before, doesnt show '13 stone hill'.
If we possibly have a site of our own mini Stonehenge there I an VERY interested - will websearch 'National Monuments Record' and get back to you if I find anything

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I don't know if it's connected, but at Ossy Mills the Heritage Society have a poster showing a prehistoric burial ground up on the moors, which can still be seen on the skyline today.

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You're sure it's not a stone age panopticon?

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found this
The Modern Antiquarian.com | UK | Thirteen Stones Hill (Stone Circle)
still searching

PS thats my cleaning up gone for a burton today :D

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Bet you really bothered about that:p

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Those ancient stones go deep into the ground so it is likely that the bottom parts of them are still there. Only one left protruding 3ft above ground it seems.
They are only half a mile from me - Oh how I wish I had good feet for walking and wasn't too breathless to go that far (uphill).
I was born and raised in Ossie and this is the first time I have ever heard of of this ancient monument on our doorstep. I am 'wowed'

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It says something on that site about farmers having cleared them though, apart from that last one. :(

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They are not likely to have dug 6ft down to remove the lot - just smashed off the top bits - that website I found shows bits of some others just showing above the surface.

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We are lining everyone elses pockets so we might as well line theirs. Sooner or later we will need other forms of energy because once North Sea oil and gas runs out we would be dependent on others for our supplies with all the pitfalls that comes with that. They may be unsitely not well placed even a slight eco problem but its better than diving back to the stone age. We cant have polluting coal fired power stations nuclear is a contentious issue bio fuel couldnt provide enough for our daily needs. With all the rain and cloud even solar is not viable nor is hydro as that will also spoil large areas of beauty in mountainous areas. All in all windfarms are the lesser evil.

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You can’t make an omelette without breaking eggs.

Hydro electric is the only economic way forward. Rain is free and we have an abundance of that. Gravity is also free and never ending.

What would you sooner have? Vast tracts of beautiful mountain countryside and no electricity or a handful of allegedly spoiled countryside sites and electricity in abundance. Even so, lakes man-made or otherwise have their own special beauty and they could spark a water borne leisure industry.

There was a programme on the telly a couple of weeks ago that destroyed the myth of the viability of wind farms. A windmill, during its lifetime, will not produce more energy than it took to build and position it.

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Totally in agreement with you on this one.

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If hydro is the way forward then the south east will not be full of large manmade resivours to make energy it will be places like the lake district.

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They have tides in the south-east.

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What about wave power? By definition the contraptions that convert wave movement into electricity have to be in the sea. When the sea levels rise these contraptions will get submerged. It’s the same for off shore wind farms.

The question is will the sea levels rise high enough? Who knows? The government is considering a new Thames barrier scheme because the current one will not cope with potential sea level rise. So I guess sea levels will rise during this century.

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Why not nuclear, The French use it to provide over 78% of their power. :cool:

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I don't mind wind farms aesthetically but I agree with Boeing, nuclear power is the way to go.

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You are too young to remember the Windscale fire of 1957.
Some of us oldies do not want history repeated - we are NIMBYs for good reason

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Some 50 years later I think we could at least reassess the situation on nuclear safety.

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I tend to agree Andrew, after all we have actualy walked on the moon since then:rolleyes:

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The french have had nuclear accidents too
TWO ACCIDENTS RAISING QUESTIONS ABOUT FRANCE'S NUCLEAR PROGRAM - The New York Times

At the time of the fire, and for many years after, my parents had a weekend caravan on the coast at Crag Bank on Morecambe Bay.
They spent every weekend there. My father loved to walk out on the mudflats for most of those weekend days in summer.
Radioactive hotspots in the Wyre estuary have been reported less than 10 years ago.

My father died from multiple myeloma (white blood cell cancer)

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The debate on wind farms on Ossy Moors is back on again of course. New Planning Application going in I'm led to believe.

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I have read the this revised application will be for fewer turbines, and on Oswaldtwistle side of the boundary only.
National heritage intervened because of the prehistoric stone circle site.

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That's my understanding also Margaret. The consultation rounds are going on at the moment.

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So Hyndburn Council won't have to share(with Rossendale) the big chunk of money provided by the energy generation company as 'compensation'

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Not forgetting, Three Mile Island, Chernobyl. I never suggested that I was a strong proponent of Nuclear Energy, I am not, (what reasonable choice do we have?). But the stupidity of wind farms, .... well why don't we start a theory on that then.

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Reduced from 24 turbines to 12, they have a website to keep people in touch:

Hyndburn Wind Farm - Welcome to the Hyndburn Wind Farm website

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There is a theory ;) that nicholas Tesla, who invented the system of alternating current, later devised way to produce free energy.
His experiment results were impounded by the US government who had a vested interest in oil production.
Chapter 7 of this link outlines the method he is credited with inventing.

Lost Journals of Nicholas Tesla - Tesla and Science-Research

but of course this is just a 'conspiracy':rolleyes:

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They say that the new Planning Application addresses some of the concerns that were brought up around the original application

I haven't heard the one about compensation before.Although from the company's point of view, its probably easier to deal with one planning authority

I suppose there may also be talk of a section 106 agreement being attached to the application, which is a form of compensation.I'm not sure

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I do recall 'compensation' being mentioned in old press reports.
I have found reference to such 'compen' being paid in Scotland here-
BBC NEWS | UK | Scotland | Village fights for wind farm cash

ScottishPower, which is behind the plan, is expected to make regular payments for the benefit of the local community, totalling about £100,000 per year.

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They are offering £100,000 to the Environmental Fund.

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LEF Website
...so PB won't get a say in how it is spent?.....I can't see that happening :D

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Think is intended to go to the Prospects Foundation, which I don't think Peter Britcliffe has anything to do with ?

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I have just explored that link I gave.
http://lancsenvfund.org.uk/index.php...id=20&Itemid=6
Amongst a long list of Lancashire projects I found only one for Hyndburn
Fern Gore Community Wildlife Area, Accrington

Anyone ever heard of it?


PS maybe the residents are the 'wild life' :D

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Tesla was a genius, maybe a bit mad, but that's the price you pay for being a genius.
I really wanted to agree with you Margaret, but HAARP and Chemtrails..... Too much for me.

It would be great if he had discovered a way of making self perpetuating electricity, but maybe the future is in cold fusion, if we can ever get there.

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'AN ‘extraordinary’ meeting has been called where all council representatives will take a key decision about a controversial windfarm.
Hyndburn Council announced yesterday that it has scheduled the special meeting after pressure from members of the planning committee that the decision be made by all 35 councillors.
Leader of the council Peter Britcliffe said the proposed development of the windfarm in Oswaldtwistle Moors affected every borough in Hyndburn.
And added protesters against the windfarm off Haslingden Road, Oswaldtwistle and those for it had been lobbying residents around the borough.
The Member Services Department took the decision due to the ‘scale and importance of the development.’ The last Extraordinary Council Meeting was called more than five years ago when Hyndburn Homes was privatised Coun Britcliffe, Conservative, said: “It is a decision that affects every borough in Hyndburn and issues of global warming. We are giving every councillor in the area a opportunity to take part in the decision. I know people in favour are canvassing and lobbying and those against it are doing the same.
“There has been pressure from councillors who want to take the decision and can’t and from the 12 members of the planning committee.
“This is such a huge issue and deserves consultation with the full council.”
Leader of the opposition Graham Jones, Labour, criticised the move.
He said: “This is the Conservatives unable to make a decision. There is a lot of protest in Belthorn and the leading group is scared of what’s best.
“I suspect the Conservatives are going to vote against it. We should be looking to save the planet and protect the future.”
Members of the public are welcome to attend and view the event from the public gallery. Those who wish to submit comments with regards the application and/or registering to speak must contact the council no later than 5pm Tuesday February 23.'

Extraordinary meeting called over Oswaldtwistle Moor windfarm (From Lancashire Telegraph)

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There is an online letter of support that you can submit, the template is self-generating:

Hyndburn Wind Farm - Support

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This link explains how the money is to administrated and hints very strongly that it will be a specially appointed member from Prospects:

Hyndburn Wind Farm - Community Fund

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For once I will keep my opinions to myself after reading that.

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I'm part of the Prospects Group in Rishton and we can make tiny amounts of money go a long way so a potential £100k per year boost across the borough would be very welcome.

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I know about Prospects and some of the things you do.

Why was Prospects chosen to decide what happens to the money?

Will Prospects be funding projects solely through there own groups or will other local groups be able to receive money for their own projects.

I ask because I am involved with several local groups who would welcome access to this money as lottery funding is getting harder to obtain.

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That's a good question and I don't know why. I would imagine that it's because Prospects is a recognised organisation across the whole of Hyndburn and would therefore have most impact in each town. I'm not excusing the money going to just one organisation but Prospects deals with many aspects that need atention rather than just focussing on one particular area of concern, for example abandoned dogs.

Anyone can become part of the Prospects Group and suggest improvements to their town, it's a very wide-ranging scheme.