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blazey 19-06-2007 11:13
Artists in Accy?
 
Hey, I know there will be a few artists in Accy so how about we have a thread for those who'd maybe like to show some of their work?

Heres a link to mine: Blazenmoon on deviantART

Hope you like it.

By the way you go into the bit that says my gallery

grego 19-06-2007 13:01
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Cant get your link to work Blazey?

SamF 19-06-2007 13:24
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samsgfx on deviantART

^ Very outdated

Sunbleach - Portfolio

^ T shirt designs

I really need to get an up to date portfolio of my gfx...

WillowTheWhisp 19-06-2007 13:46
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
I think I was one of those left over hippies Sam. :D

garinda 19-06-2007 14:26
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
A passable pastiche of the work of Robert Rauschenberg, but limited evidence of drawing skills.

Royboy39 19-06-2007 14:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 437300)
A passable pastiche of the work of Robert Rauschenberg, but limited evidence of drawing skills.
I cant see the thread opener.
As Stan would say in Dinner Ladies "Now I've got my Dander up!!)

garinda 19-06-2007 14:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 437304)
I cant see the thread opener.
As Stan would say in Dinner Ladies "Now I've got my Dander up!!)


rauschenberg - Google Image Search:D

Royboy39 19-06-2007 14:45
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 437307)
My Grandson cuts pictures that take his fancy and sticks them in his book.
The finished article looks better than the images on Google.
My Grandson is 8 years old.

garinda 19-06-2007 14:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 437314)
My Grandson cuts pictures that take his fancy and sticks them in his book.
The finished article looks better than the images on Google.
My Grandson is 8 years old.
No comment.:rolleyes:

garinda 19-06-2007 15:48
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Blazey, this from your blog, attached to the gallery, made me smile.


'we can even intentionally upset people and mentally harm them and we often dont reflect on the pain we've caused them, others may even justify us doing it.'

blazey 19-06-2007 17:11
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Hey I'd never seen Rauschenbergs work before, what a shame or I could've used him as my focused artist. I just used the graffiti artist Banksy for my focused work.

Glad you like my artwork anyways :) different technique used to the artists work you linked though as he looks like he's used some form of wood cutting to do the prints.

Looks like most of his work is collage too, I don't do collage.
For the art project tats there we were MEANT to base it on other artists. Mine where Andy Warhol and Banksy. Just so you know that it wasn't just blatantly ripping people off lol.
If artists didnt do the same as other artists sometimes then what exactly would be draw or paint?

I'm not dissuaded by your remarks lol seen as what you just said made my art work even more deserving of the grade, even if you didn't recognise the characteristics of the artists it WAS based on lol.

blazey 19-06-2007 17:12
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Oh and nice work Sam, my friends into photoshop too and some of the stuff you can do on it is amazing. I once downloaded it but the most I did was edit contrast of photographs lol and thats it :D

blazey 19-06-2007 17:14
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by grego (Post 437264)
Cant get your link to work Blazey?
Just checked and it definatly works.

garinda 19-06-2007 17:26
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Rauschenberg influenced the work of both Warhol, who I've met, and Banksy.

I prefer to go direct to the source.;)

blazey 19-06-2007 17:33
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 437646)
Rauschenberg influenced the work of both Warhol, who I've met, and Banksy.

I prefer to go direct to the source.;)
Well then I hope i'm the next in line because basically that means two generations of well known artists came from someone you just pointed out.

I hadn't seen Rauschenbergs work before but I have my art preview night tomorrow at college so i'll mention it to my teacher and see what he thinks. The bike image certainly has a strong link with him, that was just off a random scrap of paper we decided to use and it took a while to cut for the stencil.

I'm not particularly big on artists, I started the project and then just linked the artists in with it when it was nearly done. Bit of a bad way to do an exam lol but nevermind!

Acrylic-bob 19-06-2007 17:56
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"Common sense" is what people in common would agree: that which they "sense" in common as their common natural understanding. It has no connotation of prejudice, collected or otherwise, and it is not limited by age.

I think that you are, perhaps, mistaking it for the word "Pretention" and its conjugations; a surprisingly common failing in teenagers who believe that they know everything but who, on examination, turn out to know very little of any substance, breadth or depth.

I am, generally speaking, quite in favour of people expressing themselves, but do we really have to trawl through drivel of this sort...

" I wanted people to have to think about what I was portraying. Not every piece is as simple as it is first percieved. I wanted to capture pain and the sorrow that we often overlook when we consider notions of freedom.

We have the freedom to protect ourselves, protect our homes, protect our families. So often in the media recently there are stories of children committing gun crimes, carrying weaponry and so forth. Their misconception of need to protect often leads to the physicial pain of the individual, the pain of the friends and family, the pain their mother feels stronger than anyone that her baby has been slaughtered at the hands of another who practiced so called rights of protecting themselves."

At school I was taught that it was generally a good idea to "Think before you ink" I am certain a good deal of thinking has been put into the various ideas that make up this "artist's" statement, though sadly I am far from convinced that any of it is the fruit of the "artist's" own thought processes. Trite, obvious, mawkish and self-indulgent are the words that spring most readily to mind.

Art, by its very definition, cannot be taught. If it could then we would all be capable of learning how to do it. I can teach a person how to draw or how to paint, but I cannot teach a person how to create Art. And no amount of fine sounding phrases, angst and overblown handwringing will make juvenile daubing into anything other than what it is.

blazey 19-06-2007 18:02
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 437655)
"Common sense" is what people in common would agree: that which they "sense" in common as their common natural understanding. It has no connotation of prejudice, collected or otherwise, and it is not limited by age.

I think that you are, perhaps, mistaking it for the word "Pretention" and its conjugations; a surprisingly common failing in teenagers who believe that they know everything but who, on examination, turn out to know very little of any substance, breadth or depth.

I am, generally speaking, quite in favour of people expressing themselves, but do we really have to trawl through drivel of this sort...

" I wanted people to have to think about what I was portraying. Not every piece is as simple as it is first percieved. I wanted to capture pain and the sorrow that we often overlook when we consider notions of freedom.

We have the freedom to protect ourselves, protect our homes, protect our families. So often in the media recently there are stories of children committing gun crimes, carrying weaponry and so forth. Their misconception of need to protect often leads to the physicial pain of the individual, the pain of the friends and family, the pain their mother feels stronger than anyone that her baby has been slaughtered at the hands of another who practiced so called rights of protecting themselves."

At school I was taught that it was generally a good idea to "Think before you ink" I am certain a good deal of thinking has been put into the various ideas that make up this "artist's" statement, though sadly I am far from convinced that any of it is the fruit of the "artist's" own thought processes. Trite, obvious, mawkish and self-indulgent are the words that spring most readily to mind.

Art, by its very definition, cannot be taught. If it could then we would all be capable of learning how to do it. I can teach a person how to draw or how to paint, but I cannot teach a person how to create Art. And no amount of fine sounding phrases, angst and overblown handwringing will make juvenile daubing into anything other than what it is.
This got the highest mark in the art exam so how dare you tell me my work cannot be art.

Shall I expect you to be at the preview to give a speech on how the moderators and my teachers have no capabilities at recognising art?

The topic was freedom and I answered the question with negative aspects of freedom that are often overlooked; war, famine, domestic violence and so on.
Just because you don't like my style doesn't mean it isn't art. How dare you. Who are you to say what is and isn't art?

It was an explanation of where the idea came from. Would you have even guessed the theme had it not been written for you to see?

Royboy39 19-06-2007 18:06
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 437655)
"Common sense" is what people in common would agree: that which they "sense" in common as their common natural understanding. It has no connotation of prejudice, collected or otherwise, and it is not limited by age.

I think that you are, perhaps, mistaking it for the word "Pretention" and its conjugations; a surprisingly common failing in teenagers who believe that they know everything but who, on examination, turn out to know very little of any substance, breadth or depth.

I am, generally speaking, quite in favour of people expressing themselves, but do we really have to trawl through drivel of this sort...

" I wanted people to have to think about what I was portraying. Not every piece is as simple as it is first percieved. I wanted to capture pain and the sorrow that we often overlook when we consider notions of freedom.

We have the freedom to protect ourselves, protect our homes, protect our families. So often in the media recently there are stories of children committing gun crimes, carrying weaponry and so forth. Their misconception of need to protect often leads to the physicial pain of the individual, the pain of the friends and family, the pain their mother feels stronger than anyone that her baby has been slaughtered at the hands of another who practiced so called rights of protecting themselves."

At school I was taught that it was generally a good idea to "Think before you ink" I am certain a good deal of thinking has been put into the various ideas that make up this "artist's" statement, though sadly I am far from convinced that any of it is the fruit of the "artist's" own thought processes. Trite, obvious, mawkish and self-indulgent are the words that spring most readily to mind.

Art, by its very definition, cannot be taught. If it could then we would all be capable of learning how to do it. I can teach a person how to draw or how to paint, but I cannot teach a person how to create Art. And no amount of fine sounding phrases, angst and overblown handwringing will make juvenile daubing into anything other than what it is.
Ouch Bob............That should put the cat among the pidgeons

blazey 19-06-2007 18:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 437664)
Ouch Bob............That should put the cat among the pidgeons
It doesnt hurt, it just infuriates me that someone thinks they have some sort of right to say what is and isn't art.
My art work is an achievement and I have had plenty of really good feedback on it.

I'm proud to have achieved what I did. I just wanted to share it with everyone else and have a nice thread and its turned into another criticism of something i've wrote, not even the art work.

Don't see you posting your art works for everyone to see. Reminds me of the girls in my class who bitched about me all the time in class and then got a lower grade than me. Maybe if they'd spent less time bitching about it and getting on with their own work they'd have done better.

BrianPotter 19-06-2007 18:24
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This is what Acrylic-bob calls art.


http://www.mccalls-cakes.com/school/Qultd_Love2.jpg

Tin Monkey 19-06-2007 18:30
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
I think someone has a criticism problem. Of course they'll deny it, but I wouldn't expect anything else.

blackbandit 19-06-2007 18:41
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Oh well,I thought it was rather good,Blazey.
Friend of my sisters is an artist,and some of his work is odd to say the least!! I'll try and find a pic of some of his work.
If art is what you want to do as a career,fair play to ya.

Wynonie Harris 19-06-2007 18:52
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by blazey (Post 437665)
I'm proud to have achieved what I did. I just wanted to share it with everyone else and have a nice thread
In other words, you just wanted everyone to tell you how wonderfully talented you are, while you basked in the adulation. Sorry, the real world doesn't work that way. If you can't take criticism, you've got a rough ride ahead!

blazey 19-06-2007 18:54
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by blackbandit (Post 437678)
Oh well,I thought it was rather good,Blazey.
Friend of my sisters is an artist,and some of his work is odd to say the least!! I'll try and find a pic of some of his work.
If art is what you want to do as a career,fair play to ya.
Its more of a hobby. Its just cutting hand made stencils and spraying them. They can take a while to cut and layer and everything so I'm defensive because alot of hours went into my work and this is the first horrible criticism i've had just because of what I wrote to describe the theme.

I'd like to see his work. :)

Tombraider 19-06-2007 18:56
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Their not the type of things I would hang on my wall but they do look interesting :)

blazey 19-06-2007 18:56
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 437681)
In other words, you just wanted everyone to tell you how wonderfully talented you are, while you basked in the adulation. Sorry, the real world doesn't work that way. If you can't take criticism, you've got a rough ride ahead!
The thread isnt called LOOK AT MY ART, its for everyone to post their art. Noticeably the people who HAVE criticised rudely havent got anything of their own to show for. Either they're hiding it away or they just wanted to criticise someone elses.

I wouldn't mind but it wasn't the work that was criticised, the only fault someone could find was with the description lol. As for being compared to another talented artist, I am overwhelmed at that even if maybe they could have been trying to say I ripped off someone elses.

blazey 19-06-2007 18:57
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrianPotter (Post 437670)
This is what Acrylic-bob calls art.


http://www.mccalls-cakes.com/school/Qultd_Love2.jpg
What do you mean by this?

Wedding cakes can be a brilliant art though, they take alot of skill and its something I couldnt do. Have you seen that advert where they make that car out of cake!? wow.

Wynonie Harris 19-06-2007 19:02
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by blazey (Post 437685)
The thread isnt called LOOK AT MY ART, its for everyone to post their art. Noticeably the people who HAVE criticised rudely havent got anything of their own to show for. Either they're hiding it away or they just wanted to criticise someone elses.
No, but it may have well as been, because that was the intent behind it. And are you really saying that only other artists are allowed to criticize your work?

lettie 19-06-2007 19:03
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
[quote=blazey;437685]The thread isnt called LOOK AT MY ART, its for everyone to post their art. Noticeably the people who HAVE criticised rudely havent got anything of their own to show for. [quote]

Actually, examples of Garinda and Acrylic Bob's art are posted in some old threads, I have to say that they are, in my opinion, brilliant..:D

blazey 19-06-2007 19:06
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 437687)
No, but it may have well as been, because that was the intent behind it. And are you really saying that only other artists are allowed to criticize your work?
I said who are they to say what is or is not art. Saying 'that isnt art' isn't criticism at all. Its just plain rude.

blazey 19-06-2007 19:07
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
[quote=lettie;437689][quote=blazey;437685]The thread isnt called LOOK AT MY ART, its for everyone to post their art. Noticeably the people who HAVE criticised rudely havent got anything of their own to show for.
Quote:

Actually, examples of Garinda and Acrylic Bob's art are posted in some old threads, I have to say that they are, in my opinion, brilliant..:D
Then why didnt they just link them like sam instead of having a go at me? The thread was to show art work, not drag people down for it. It astounds me how shallow and rude you people are.

piltymon 19-06-2007 19:09
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
I can scribble with crayons. Does that qualify? I do some great side to side lines in lots of colours. :D

blazey 19-06-2007 19:10
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by piltymon (Post 437694)
I can scribble with crayons. Does that qualify? I do some great side to side lines in lots of colours. :D
I think patrick heron may have had some crayon drawings. I cant remember though. There is an artist who does things like that because theres a girl at college who was copying one for her coursework.

lettie 19-06-2007 19:11
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
[quote=blazey;437692][quote=lettie;437689]
Quote:
Originally Posted by blazey (Post 437685)
The thread isnt called LOOK AT MY ART, its for everyone to post their art. Noticeably the people who HAVE criticised rudely havent got anything of their own to show for.

Then why didnt they just link them like sam instead of having a go at me? The thread was to show art work, not drag people down for it. It astounds me how shallow and rude you people are.
I don't think that there is anything rude or shallow about my post. It is extremely rude of you to make sweeping generalisations like that. I shall no longer participate in this thread:mad:

Wynonie Harris 19-06-2007 19:14
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 437300)
A passable pastiche of the work of Robert Rauschenberg, but limited evidence of drawing skills.
Well, that looks like criticism to me. And as, in my view, the worth of any piece of art includes the thinking that went into it, then I would say that A-B's opinions constitute criticism, too. It seems to me that you regard any criticism of your work as "rude" and "horrible" and you just want to hear people say nice things about it. As I said, the real world just doesn't work that way, but I suppose you'll learn...

blazey 19-06-2007 19:14
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 437698)
Well, that looks like criticism to me. And as, in my view, the worth of any piece of art includes the thinking that went into it, then I would say that A-B's opinions constitute criticism, too. It seems to me that you regard any criticism of your work as "rude" and "horrible" and you just want to hear people say nice things about it. As I said, the real world just doesn't work that way, but I suppose you'll learn...
Seen as it isnt even drawing I assumed that there is no evidence of drawing skills lol. There isnt meant to be.

Wynonie Harris 19-06-2007 19:21
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by blazey (Post 437649)
I hadn't seen Rauschenbergs work before but I have my art preview night tomorrow at college so i'll mention it to my teacher and see what he thinks. The bike image certainly has a strong link with him, that was just off a random scrap of paper we decided to use and it took a while to cut for the stencil.
Whether it's drawing or not, you yourself admit there is an (admittedly unintentional) link with his work, so I would say Garinda's criticism is well-founded.

blazey 19-06-2007 19:34
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 437705)
Whether it's drawing or not, you yourself admit there is an (admittedly unintentional) link with his work, so I would say Garinda's criticism is well-founded.
I wouldnt say it was a criticism though as its MEANT to be linked to artists. The fact that is the person who influenced my chosen artists is if anything brilliant as it means I was able to see my chosen artists work and see what inspired them and put it into my own.

The fact that she recognised the style was if anything a great pleasure :D

piltymon 19-06-2007 19:36
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by blazey (Post 437643)
Just checked and it definatly works.
Maybe you need to delete your cookies and try again?

PM me if you need more details of how to do it.

blazey 19-06-2007 19:36
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
[quote=Wynonie Harris;437707][quote=blazey;437701]
Quote:
Originally Posted by lettie (Post 437697)

Mature, very mature. :rolleyes:
You never heard that phrase before? It means go annoy someone else basically. I dont think theres any mature or immature about it.

Do you have some art work to post?

Wynonie Harris 19-06-2007 19:39
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[quote=blazey;437715][quote=Wynonie Harris;437707]
Quote:
Originally Posted by blazey (Post 437701)

You never heard that phrase before? It means go annoy someone else basically. I dont think theres any mature or immature about it.

Do you have some art work to post?
Yes, I've heard it before...from 10 year olds.

No, I've no work to post. Why, are only artists allowed on this thread?

Tin Monkey 19-06-2007 19:54
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
What a brat! :(

WillowTheWhisp 19-06-2007 20:05
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Can we please clarify if you actually chose the artists and then based your style on their work, or created a few things and then decided whose work it seemed to look like.

You seem to have said both in this thread and that is clearly impossible.

I was talking to my daughter's art teacher yesterday and he said that it isn't only the final product which they judge, but also the road the student took to get there and evidence of the signposts along the way.

piltymon 19-06-2007 20:33
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Why is tin monkey calling himself a brat in an art thread? I came to see some art not fools making personal comments! :D

Gayle 19-06-2007 20:38
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
If I could be bothered to look for it somewhere on this forum Garinda said something along the lines of 'art provokes debate'.

So on that basis Blazey, your art has provoked debate therefore it is definitely art.

blazey 19-06-2007 20:54
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 437763)
If I could be bothered to look for it somewhere on this forum Garinda said something along the lines of 'art provokes debate'.

So on that basis Blazey, your art has provoked debate therefore it is definitely art.
An art project based on war, famine and domestic violence is very likely to create a debate I would've thought whether that was intentional or not. The intention was to shed light on notions of freedom which we believe have positive aspects only, when in fact they have very negative aspects aswell.

Freedom to vote for leadership > leadership takes us into war
Freedom to choose what you eat/lifestyle choices > eating disorders/abortions
Freedom of the home/sanctuary > domestic violence, child abuse

Everything about the project was meant to be politically based. I'm glad its caused a debate but the debate isnt about the right things. My art was successful with the other students who understand and appreciated the message. People have overlooked the messages so far on here which is a shame.

I picked Banksy first, did the prep work on Banksy and then added Andy Warhol towards the end of the prep work and the exam pieces, hence the repetitions in the green neon-like skulls one which is meant to represent genocide (freedom of power and speech). The only reasonable criticism i've had so far was of the prep work which has andy warhols electric chair in it.

However one of my art teachers pointed out that andy warhol used the image of the chair to create his piece, I merely did the same and made the chair my own.
The chair was meant to represent punishment for acting on false freedoms. I also had a religious aspect in two of them for freedom of speech, for the remembrance that not every country or society has that freedom.

garinda 19-06-2007 23:15
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by blazey (Post 437660)
How dare you. Who are you to say what is and isn't art?
He's actually someone who has attended the premier art institution in this country, so I think he is more than qualified to critique your little efforts.

The fact that your daubings were awarded top marks in your class is neither here nor there. Mediocrity isn't a good bench mark for comparisson.

blazey 19-06-2007 23:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 437939)
He's actually someone who has attended the premier art institution in this country, so I think he is more than qualified to critique your little efforts.

The fact that your daubings were awarded top marks in your class is neither here nor there. Mediocrity isn't a good bench mark for comparisson.
It doesnt mean it gives someone the right to drag someones work down and say it isnt art.

Someone recognised my work as being like a famous artist, just because that style isn't recognised as art by some people doesn't mean it ISNT.
Someone who cant appreciate everyones form of art is just very restricted in my opinion.

garinda 19-06-2007 23:22
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Darling, you are more of a work of art than your little stencilled efforts.

A performance artist up there with Yoko Ono, but without the sense of humour.

WillowTheWhisp 19-06-2007 23:23
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Damon Hirst thinks pickled sheep are art but I disagree.

piltymon 19-06-2007 23:26
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by blazey (Post 437944)
It doesnt mean it gives someone the right to drag someones work down and say it isnt art.

Someone recognised my work as being like a famous artist, just because that style isn't recognised as art by some people doesn't mean it ISNT.
Someone who cant appreciate everyones form of art is just very restricted in my opinion.
Garinda is just TRYING to get you banned. Just ignore him. Let the troll go find someone else to try and get banned.

As to you Garinda it has been a long, long time since I have met someone that behaves as pathetically as you are doing. We leave one thread and you follow us to another just to try winding us up until we get banned.

Get a life Garinda because if this is how you spend all your time you must have a pretty sad one!!

:D:D < Oh yeah, of course, we're only joking aren't we.

WillowTheWhisp 19-06-2007 23:28
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Which other forums have you been on?

I'm still waiting to hear about all these forums where I'm supposedly a well known pain in the rear.

garinda 19-06-2007 23:30
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by piltymon (Post 437951)
We leave one forum and you follow us to another
You seem to have me mixed up with someone else.

I have never been a member of trailerparktrash.com.

WillowTheWhisp 19-06-2007 23:32
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Maybe you've been on some of those mysterious forums where I'm so famous Rindy. If you ever find out where they are do please let me know.

piltymon 19-06-2007 23:33
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 437954)
Which other forums have you been on?

I'm still waiting to hear about all these forums where I'm supposedly a well known pain in the rear.
Sorry I meant thread. Mistake corrected. Who said that you were a pain in other forums? I was talking about Garinda following us around.

cashman 19-06-2007 23:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by piltymon (Post 437951)
Garinda is just TRYING to get you banned. Just ignore him. Let the troll go find someone else to try and get banned.


never read so much bunkem in all my time on here piltymon, that is just pathetic. n thats not the "accyweb mafia" speaking its common sense.

WillowTheWhisp 19-06-2007 23:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by piltymon (Post 437959)
Who said that you were a pain in other forums?

Your daughter - apparently I'm a well known trouble maker all over the internet according to her.

piltymon 20-06-2007 00:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 437966)
never read so much bunkem in all my time on here piltymon, that is just pathetic. n thats not the "accyweb mafia" speaking its common sense.
So WHY does he keep heading straight for any thread that we are posting in and his first post is a personal insult to either Blazey or me? Don't take my word for it, go take a look! While your at it you may want to read my thoughts on it in the "missing thread" thread. Garinda fulfilled lots of Techniques trolls use from his own post of a poster. I fit none! Ask a moderator to check it. In every thread that I have been on where abuse has started I have NEVER been the one to start it so why am I called the troll when in point of FACT, Garinda fits the title FAR more?

blazey 20-06-2007 10:48
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 437967)
Your daughter - apparently I'm a well known trouble maker all over the internet according to her.
I dont recall saying that. In fact I don't recall saying much directly to you.

piltymon 20-06-2007 12:36
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 438109)
I dont recall saying that. In fact I don't recall saying much directly to you.
Well I didn't say it. Probably rue if she behaves like the **** artist she behaves like on here though! Love the art kiddo. Great news about you coming at the top of your class!!!!!!

piltymon 20-06-2007 12:39
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Sorry to ruin your thread Blazey but they all said they wouldn't post if I took part in a thread. I'm so heartbroken. I don't know what I'm going to do. Maybe I should cry and whine like a baby but, then again, why should I sink to their level huh? I've been looking at some more of your work and I have to say I'm very impressed. You seem to be a very promising artist to me. I wish I could be in your position again where the world is yur oyster!

Acrylic-bob 20-06-2007 14:41
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 437660)
This got the highest mark in the art exam so how dare you tell me my work cannot be art.
Because, irrespective of the mark your teachers decided to award, merely daubing paint on a surface and ascribing some obtuse meaning to the marks made is not "art". It never was and it never will be. "Art" is what happens in the mind of the viewer when considering the work of a master of his chosen craft. "Art provokes powerful, unexpected and often disturbing connections in the mind of the viewer. Go and see the work of Mark Rothko in the Tate Gallery and then ask the attendant how people react to it. Cutting and pasting the work of others does not demonstrate anything, other than a certain facility with glue and scissors.

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 437660)
Shall I expect you to be at the preview to give a speech on how the moderators and my teachers have no capabilities at recognising art?
I am sure that your teacher is as capable of recognising "Art" as anyone else. Just as I am sure that your teacher is as capable of recognising dross in exactly the same way. The thing you must remember is that your teacher's continued employment, salary and pension depend on the grades acheived by students under his/her tuition. Regarding the "preview", thanks for the invitation but a quick look at my social diary reveals that I am scheduled to be sticking hot pins in my eyes that night. Sorry.

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 437660)
Just because you don't like my style doesn't mean it isn't art.
You are actually quite correct in assuming that don't like your "style". I don't like it because I have seen it done so much better by people who knew what they were doing. I think that you will find, if you could be bothered to do the research, that the aims and objectives of the current curriculum, as it applies to studies up to 'A' level, is to increase awareness of the history of the subject and to encourage some practical appreciation of the skills employed. I am sure that even Tessa Jowell would not be so arrogant as to claim that the period of study leading to the 'A' level equipped candidates to be accomplished and finished artists.

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 437660)
How dare you. Who are you to say what is and isn't art?
Errm, let me see...I hold O'level qualifications, A'level Qualifications, A Diploma of Higher Education, and a Degree, with honours, all in "Art" and related fields, I am also a member of the Association of Illustrators and I have earned a living from my work. I think that makes me more than qualified to offer a critique, don't you?

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 437660)
Would you have even guessed the theme had it not been written for you to see?
I assume from this comment that your teachers have not seen fit to introduce you to the concept of "Art" as a method of communication that transcends the barriers of culture and the written word. What is the point of attempting to communicate an idea in purely visual terms which nobody can appreciate unless you accompany it with reams of tortuous written explanation?

WillowTheWhisp 20-06-2007 14:49
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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 438109)
I dont recall saying that. In fact I don't recall saying much directly to you.

I would point you in the direction of the relevant post were it not for the fact that it has been removed (not at my request I hasten to add). I did question your comment at the time of posting but you chose not to reply - presumably because you had no facts to back up your ludicrous statement. Your memory seems to be failing you, a tragedy in one so young.

Ianto.W. 20-06-2007 14:50
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Acrylic-bob, What is the point of attempting to communicate an idea in purely visual terms which nobody can appreciate unless you accompany it with reams of tortuous written explanation?
And so say all of us, I wish I had your way with words 'Sir'.

Royboy39 20-06-2007 14:57
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
I'll have one of your cakes Bob

yerself 20-06-2007 15:09
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp
I would point you in the direction of the relevant post were it not for the fact that it has been removed (not at my request I hasten to add). I did question your comment at the time of posting but you chose not to reply - presumably because you had no facts to back up your ludicrous statement. Your memory seems to be failing you, a tragedy in one so young.
Whether or not I agree with Blazey I think you may owe her an apology. The relevant post has not been deleted it's here:http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/436326-post22.html

'Tis a tragedy of advancing years that one's memory begins to fail one.:rolleyes:

cashman 20-06-2007 15:16
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
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Originally Posted by yerself (Post 438231)
Whether or not I agree with Blazey I think you may owe her an apology. The relevant post has not been deleted it's here:http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/436326-post22.html

'Tis a tragedy of advancing years that one's memory begins to fail one.:rolleyes:
i,m sure i read that comment a while before that was posted yerself, from somebody else, think the post your highlighting has quoted from it.:confused:

blazey 20-06-2007 15:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by yerself (Post 438231)
Whether or not I agree with Blazey I think you may owe her an apology. The relevant post has not been deleted it's here:http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/436326-post22.html

'Tis a tragedy of advancing years that one's memory begins to fail one.:rolleyes:
I had a feeling it wasn't me, though funnily enough I do suffer from a short term memory problem.

blazey 20-06-2007 15:27
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 438220)
Because, irrespective of the mark your teachers decided to award, merely daubing paint on a surface and ascribing some obtuse meaning to the marks made is not "art". It never was and it never will be. "Art" is what happens in the mind of the viewer when considering the work of a master of his chosen craft. "Art provokes powerful, unexpected and often disturbing connections in the mind of the viewer. Go and see the work of Mark Rothko in the Tate Gallery and then ask the attendant how people react to it. Cutting and pasting the work of others does not demonstrate anything, other than a certain facility with glue and scissors.


I am sure that your teacher is as capable of recognising "Art" as anyone else. Just as I am sure that your teacher is as capable of recognising dross in exactly the same way. The thing you must remember is that your teacher's continued employment, salary and pension depend on the grades acheived by students under his/her tuition. Regarding the "preview", thanks for the invitation but a quick look at my social diary reveals that I am scheduled to be sticking hot pins in my eyes that night. Sorry.


You are actually quite correct in assuming that don't like your "style". I don't like it because I have seen it done so much better by people who knew what they were doing. I think that you will find, if you could be bothered to do the research, that the aims and objectives of the current curriculum, as it applies to studies up to 'A' level, is to increase awareness of the history of the subject and to encourage some practical appreciation of the skills employed. I am sure that even Tessa Jowell would not be so arrogant as to claim that the period of study leading to the 'A' level equipped candidates to be accomplished and finished artists.


Errm, let me see...I hold O'level qualifications, A'level Qualifications, A Diploma of Higher Education, and a Degree, with honours, all in "Art" and related fields, I am also a member of the Association of Illustrators and I have earned a living from my work. I think that makes me more than qualified to offer a critique, don't you?


I assume from this comment that your teachers have not seen fit to introduce you to the concept of "Art" as a method of communication that transcends the barriers of culture and the written word. What is the point of attempting to communicate an idea in purely visual terms which nobody can appreciate unless you accompany it with reams of tortuous written explanation?
Love I honestly don't have the time to read that to comment on it as the life of a student is so hectic and I already got the qualification that I dont actually CARE what you are saying. Its not my chosen profession anyway so good luck to you with your life choice, but I'll make my own.

Nickelson 20-06-2007 15:32
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Willow in all fairness it was treacletart that said that to you. Not blazey , i see piltymon has been banned...

blazey 20-06-2007 15:39
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Originally Posted by Nickelson (Post 438236)
Willow in all fairness it was treacletart that said that to you. Not blazey , i see piltymon has been banned...
To point out I know I wouldnt have mentioned her following me around any forums because the only other forum I use is the student one and I can't see her using that one ;)

Nonetheless I wont expect an apology.

davo69 20-06-2007 15:53
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what good news

blazey 20-06-2007 15:56
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Originally Posted by davo69 (Post 438239)
what good news
I dont understand, is this a question?

WillowTheWhisp 20-06-2007 16:31
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Thank you to Yerself and Nickelson for pointing out my error. I do apologise Blazey. I was mistaken. It was indeed someone else. I had tried to find the post amongst yours and when I couldn't find it I assumed it was one of those which had been deleted. So it is my memory which is failing me, not yours failing you.

Of course now that I see it was posted by someone who has since been banned I suppose I will never know the answer and it will puzzle me forever.

WillowTheWhisp 20-06-2007 16:36
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 438232)
i,m sure i read that comment a while before that was posted yerself, from somebody else, think the post your highlighting has quoted from it.:confused:
There may well have been more than one post on the same theme but they more than likely had the same source, no wonder I couldn't find it where I was looking.

I'm supposedly so well known on other forums for my bad behaviour though and it really puzzles me as to where this might be. :rolleyes: It's a shame I never got a reply.

todbear 20-06-2007 17:31
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Willow, I have seen a lot of your posts, on several different forums, if that is bad I like it. keep on keeping on. It all looks good to me.

Blazey, I am on an arts council in Dorset, I should like to give you just one piece of advice.
If you think it is art, that is enough we are all influenced by others, it is how we grow, and develop our own style.
Even Van Gogh was influenced by others on his journey. His art was jeered at and derided as total rubbish. Thanks be to all the gods he ignored it all as should you. As I said to Willow " Keep on keeping on" and S.O.D the rest.

davo69 20-06-2007 17:49
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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 438240)
I dont understand, is this a question?
about your dad

WillowTheWhisp 20-06-2007 17:56
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Thank you Todbear. I was beginning to wonder if I was a female version of Dr. Jekyl. :D


I've been thinking about art - mostly based on the conversation with my daughter's teacher and it seems that a lot of what students do these days is directed towards having them discover for themselves how to create a certain result and how artists went about acheiving theirs. I'm not sure whether what the students create during this process is actually intended to be art in its own right but hey, if you, we, they like it does it really matter? The exam results are what they are aiming for. It's just different to how it was in my day.

todbear 20-06-2007 18:28
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 438282)
Thank you Todbear. I was beginning to wonder if I was a female version of Dr. Jekyl. :D


I've been thinking about art - mostly based on the conversation with my daughter's teacher and it seems that a lot of what students do these days is directed towards having them discover for themselves how to create a certain result and how artists went about acheiving theirs. I'm not sure whether what the students create during this process is actually intended to be art in its own right but hey, if you, we, they like it does it really matter? The exam results are what they are aiming for. It's just different to how it was in my day.
think you said it all Willow:Banane04:

WillowTheWhisp 20-06-2007 18:30
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
My daughter's totem pole is going on display at school. I'm not sure how long for but we were hoping to get it back.

MargaretR 20-06-2007 18:53
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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 438300)
My daughter's totem pole is going on display at school. I'm not sure how long for but we were hoping to get it back.
LOL Willow - what are you going to do with it ? (mobile phone mast by any chance?)

WillowTheWhisp 20-06-2007 18:54
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I have absolutely no idea but I like it. :D

MargaretR 20-06-2007 18:56
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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 438310)
I have absolutely no idea but I like it. :D
Good enough reason - your daughter will know you value her effort.

Tin Monkey 20-06-2007 19:33
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 438282)
The exam results are what they are aiming for. It's just different to how it was in my day,
Out of interest, do you actually agree with this Willow? By reducing everything, be it art or whatever, down to mere exam results, isn't there the chance that real talent is being supressed in the name of what passes exams?

Just a thought.

WillowTheWhisp 20-06-2007 19:44
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I doubt it. They learn techniques and skills. If they have the artistic vision they are then able to use those techniques and skills to produce what they are aiming for. If there is a real artist in there it will come out.

Back in my day there was a girl in my class who had no vision of her own but could copy other people. It got her through her exams but after that she wasn't able to do anything in her own right. But then again she didn't want to.

As for me, I was always a bit of a rebel and tried to find new ways of doing things anyway which didn't always go down well.

Tin Monkey 20-06-2007 20:02
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
I understand what you are saying, but by only rewarding talents that fit the exam criteria, I believe that there is a lot of talent that goes to waste.

I think I'm becoming increasingly disillusioned with the education system, which is a shame.

garinda 20-06-2007 20:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 438333)
Out of interest, do you actually agree with this Willow? By reducing everything, be it art or whatever, down to mere exam results, isn't there the chance that real talent is being supressed in the name of what passes exams?

Just a thought.

Art is taught at a higher level as an acedemic subject, so there are very probably Van Goghs and Cezannes slipping through the net.

Tin Monkey 20-06-2007 20:10
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 438352)
Art is taught at a higher level as an acedemic subject, so there are very probably Van Goghs and Cezannes slipping through the net.
True, but it's not just art I'm thinking about. It's all kinds of disciplines.
It's been a long day at work. ;) :D

garinda 20-06-2007 20:18
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Well, I also agree with your earlier statement. Education should be about more than just working to pass examinations.

Going back to art, if you give enough chimpanzees a paint pot and a brush, soon one of them will come up with a Picasso. The same could be said if you give them a typewriter...eventually they'd write Hamlet.:D

Tin Monkey 20-06-2007 20:26
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 438361)
The same could be said if you give them a typewriter...eventually they'd write Hamlet.:D
Wasn't that a play about a Danish pig?

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/5750/smhamlet2xv2.jpg

I had heard the theories about the chimpanzees actually. I currently have 8 of them banging away on typewriters in my cellar. No Shakespeare yet, but they've just turned out Jeffrey Archer's next novel. ;)

garinda 20-06-2007 20:29
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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 438366)
Wasn't that a play about a Danish pig?

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/5750/smhamlet2xv2.jpg

I had heard the theories about the chimpanzees actually. I currently have 8 of them banging away on typewriters in my cellar. No Shakespeare yet, but they've just turned out Jeffrey Archer's next novel. ;)
Let's hope the ones banging away in your callar stay with their respective 'fragrant' mates, and don't do their banging with prostitutes instead.:D

Tin Monkey 20-06-2007 20:35
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 438368)
Let's hope the ones banging away in your callar stay with their respective 'fragrant' mates, and don't do their banging with prostitutes instead.:D
Ooooo..... now that's basement humour. My chimpanzees would never write anything like that.

This one thinks he's John Grisham....

http://home.houston.rr.com/epasveer/...onkeyLarge.jpg

West Ender 20-06-2007 20:59
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Call me a Phillistine (no, don't bother, you won't change my mind) but I don't rate Picasso at all, in fact I've always wondered if he was "having us on". People (mainly those who are paid to critique Art) tell us what a wonderful interpretation Picasso's Art was but, I'm sorry, I just don't "get" a woman with her breasts on her face and her left eye under her armpit. In my opinion he either had a weird sense of humour or he was permanently "high". ;)

blazey 20-06-2007 21:01
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
I had a brilliant time at the art preview. A swedish man took my name, he was interested in the consumerism one (the cow one) for some big offices he works in.

I dont think i'd let it go though, they should go as a full set really but he wanted something that wasnt controversial so the modelled to perfection one wouldn't have suited his needs.

Had a nice time.

And thanks for the bad rep. I dont know what i've done wrong yet in regards to being accused of telling willow she follows people around forums but if they'd read the thread the person would have realised it wasnt even me who had said it ;)

blazey 20-06-2007 21:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by West Ender (Post 438381)
Call me a Phillistine (no, don't bother, you won't change my mind) but I don't rate Picasso at all, in fact I've always wondered if he was "having us on". People (mainly those who are paid to critique Art) tell us what a wonderful interpretation Picasso's Art was but, I'm sorry, I just don't "get" a woman with her breasts on her face and her left eye under her armpit. In my opinion he either had a weird sense of humour or he was permanently "high". ;)
I never had a liking for Picasso either.

Right now I'm really liking Gustav Klimt. He has some brilliant pieces. Its a shame most of them aren't with their rightful owners though.

garinda 20-06-2007 21:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blazey (Post 438382)
I had a brilliant time at the art preview.

I'm glad that you enjoyed it, and that it went well for you.:)

WillowTheWhisp 20-06-2007 21:28
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 438352)
Art is taught at a higher level as an acedemic subject, so there are very probably Van Goghs and Cezannes slipping through the net.

I doubt that a Van Gogh or a Cezanne could be taught anyway. In many ways they broke the mould (mold?) and wouldn't have conformed. Art as an academic subject is not the same as art itself. In the same way my daughter learns a lot about music theory but Segovia she ain't.

Quote:
Originally Posted by blazey (Post 438382)

And thanks for the bad rep. I dont know what i've done wrong yet in regards to being accused of telling willow she follows people around forums but if they'd read the thread the person would have realised it wasnt even me who had said it ;)
I apologised to you for having thought that someone else's post was yours.

It didn't say I followed people around forums. It said I was well known on many forums and I was curious to know which ones they were as I don't actually visit that many very often, probably 4 on a daily basis and others less frequently.

:D I follow everyone around this forum because I look at all the new posts to see if there's anything interesting been written since I was last here. If a subject has some interesting new posts I answer them, if there is nothing new worth saying than I just move on to the next one. If you check my posts you'll see that I have responded to many people.

Quote:
Originally Posted by blazey (Post 438384)

Right now I'm really liking Gustav Klimt. He has some brilliant pieces.
I absolutely love some of Klimt's work - especially the meticulous detail in the hair. I don't have that kind of patience.

blazey 20-06-2007 21:29
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 438399)
I'm glad that you enjoyed it, and that it went well for you.:)
Thanks, the only downfall was that it was hot and everyone was getting tipsy by the time I got there. Was a good night though, I got a few funny remarks about going to study law lol. My art teacher expects I'll end up going back but I dont think I will.

I think its hard to make choices of what career to go into when people are dragging you two different ways. Arts obviously a brilliant career to go into but I can imagine people would be disappointed changing my mind from law to art...

blazey 20-06-2007 21:31
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 438401)

I doubt that a Van Gogh or a Cezanne could be taught anyway. In many ways they broke the mould (mold?) and wouldn't have conformed. Art as an academic subject is not the same as art itself. In the same way my daughter learns a lot about music theory but Segovia she ain't.



I apologised to you for having thought that someone else's post was yours.

It didn't say I followed people around forums. It said I was well known on many forums and I was curious to know which ones they were as I don't actually visit that many very often, probably 4 on a daily basis and others less frequently.

:D I follow everyone around this forum because I look at all the new posts to see if there's anything interesting been written since I was last here. If a subject has some interesting new posts I answer them, if there is nothing new worth saying than I just move on to the next one. If you check my posts you'll see that I have responded to many people.



I absolutely love some of Klimt's work - especially the meticulous detail in the hair. I don't have that kind of patience.
Apology accepted, I dont hold grudges. I can be quite tedious at times. My boyfriend says i'm a nightmare to deal with lol.

Yeh I like the big dresses and all the squares and triangles. I don have that patience either.

garinda 20-06-2007 21:35
Re: Artists in Accy?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 438401)
I doubt that a Van Gogh or a Cezanne could be taught anyway. In many ways they broke the mould (mold?) and wouldn't have conformed. Art as an academic subject is not the same as art itself. In the same way my daughter learns a lot about music theory but Segovia she ain't.
There are very few artists making a living today, who haven't gone through the higher art education system in this country.

They act in the same way as the salons of Paris did in the nineteenth and early twentieth century, a place to further your learning and develop ideas amongst your contemporaries.

I do however half agree. Anyone can be taught how to draw, and the basic rules of painting, but true artistry can't be learnt.


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