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Good point,there's no difference.That's what's so annoying about this stupid legislation.They've taken things way too far and in some instances,like the one you've pointed out,it doesn't even make any sense.:(

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There is a 25% chance that the workman is a smoker - as I found recently during central heating work. If only one workman is on your premises I found that they are glad of the chance to smoke with you in your home. If there is more than one workman they tend to decline the offer (afraid of being 'shopped' by the other?).
I have been websearching again (my hobby :D) and found that smokeasy s are widespread in nations with anti smoking laws - we will have them here soon, if not already, but news of their location has to be spread by word of mouth only (of course). This law is criminalising 25% of the population when the original option of private club's exclusion from the law would have been an acceptable compromise.

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Smokeasys, like that idea margaret,PM me if you get addy of a local one.:D

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I've got this mental image of a Smokeasy in a police raid. In the Speakeasies, during Prohibition in the US, they used to drink gin out of teacups. I see the Smokeasy clients drawing on fags, artfully concealed inside Mars bars, with huge smoke extractors whirring away in the ceilings. Think of a panatella tucked away inside a sausage roll or baguettes full of Havana cigars. Ooh, the possibilities are endless. :D

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Ashtrays have been replaced by teacups of water in such places - ingenuity will find a way :D

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we both must be mental westender, i had a similar image.:rofl38:

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Oooh it'll bring back all the excitement of the possibility of getting caught,just like when I was 14 and didn't want my mum to catch me smoking:)

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:confused::confused::confused:

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P.M. me for an address, meet up with like minded people that want to socialise, without living in bus shelters, bring your own booze (cheap enough from asda), all I expect is help emptying the ashtrays onto the carpet and the occasional assistance whitewashing the walls, (please don't bring your own food I have a contract with a local take-away). :o

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Well here in Ireland we have had the smoking ban for over three years now, and there has been no problems at all, Ireland was a nation of really heavy hardened smokers more so than in Lancashire where i was brought up, pubs have not lost trade, they have been being forward thinking in providing outside heated shelters for smokers, infact trade in many pubs have increased and most important l the employees pub staff, ect their health is not put at risk, everyone was good natured about the ban its a part of life its more pleasant to go to the pub, to eat there, and many thosands have given up the habit altogether there was one pub that said they would ignore it, but they lost their licence and faced a heafty fine apart from that there was no problems from pubs to nightclubs it makes for a more enjoyable night out, as for those who smoke goodlandlords who care about their customers will utitlise outside shelters and beer gardens for smokers, bt it has not affected trade at all

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Am i the only smoker who's in favour of the ban?

Just come back from the pool and stood outside only had 2 cigarettes between 8pm and 11 normally i would have smoked more than that.

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Well they would have been very soggy and hard to smoke if you'd had them in the pool :D;)

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A 'No smoking on these premises' sign has just gone up in my 3 year old daughter's nursery.She's pleased as punch about it because she was sick of all the other kids and staff puffing away in there.It got right on her nerves.I was equally pleased when I saw in the paper that these signs will be put up in churches because all those people who sit in the pews fagging it are a complete menace and we will be glad to see it put to a stop.:rolleyes:

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No you are not shillelagh. I have no objections to the ban in principle. What I do object to is the totalitarian ban especially as the greatest polluter of them all – the infernal combustion engine more often than not driven by a sanctimonious non or recently stopped smoker – carries on polluting the atmosphere with impunity. Not forgetting industry, aircraft, barbies etc.

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because she was sick of all the other kids and staff puffing away in there

The mind boggles.

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because all those people who sit in the pews fagging it are a complete menace

The mind boggles even more.

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For anyone who took this seriously,it was written with tongue firmly in cheek.The places I have seen these signs over the last couple have days have had me chuckling to myself.Churches,nurseries,libraries,I never knew these places had a problem with people lighting up in them,they don't.No-one smokes in a nursery or in church so why do they feel the need to tell us now that it's forbidden?:D

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Sorry Lilly – I put my serious head on this morning and forgot to change it.

However it does go to show that people will jump on any bandwagon.

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In view of recent events and the high level of security, I personally feel that the wearing of Burkhas should be banned in public areas... and if not they do not adhere to this law, they to ought to be fined on the spot:

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Lol. Can't you smoke whilst wearing a burkha, because they aren't open on more than two sides?:p

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lol very good: I like that one garinda:D

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wandering a bit but had to mention this, a Magistrate was threatened with disiplinary action the other day cos he refused to take a case of a woman wearing a burka,reason he gave he had no way of identifying her,so my point is you got a long haul to get em banned in public.

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We have been haggling with the question of putting signs up at work, The environmental people tell us we have to display them as it is a workplace but our head office are arguing that it is the residents' home and who would want no smoking signs put up in their living room. By the same token, if one of our residents smoked they could light up in the house if they wanted to but staff have to go outside???? - Crazy:rolleyes:

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Which fresh air is that?

It wouldn’t be the obnoxious, carcinogen laden vehicle exhaust fumes would it?

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Your profile shows you are an air hostess. I thought you would have known more than most what is and what isn't 'fresh air', because you are breathing recycled unfresh bacteria laden air in your job, and I would have thought you would have researched the hazards this poses to your health.
Whether there are, or are not, persons smoking tobacco near you in a beer garden you are not breathing 'fresh air' - there are multiple pollutants present which you cannot necessarily see or smell and which are a greater threat to your health. Burning leaves are a lesser hazard than vehicle emissions, so it depends whether your chosen beer garden is adjacent to a public highway or up a swiss alp. If you want truly fresh air I suggest Antarctica :)

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As I entered work on Monday, encountered our Health and Safety guy putting up these signs. Asked why, as not allowed already, and just explained he had no choice, 'tis the law to put up these signs in public buildings/work premises. (Wonder if you have to pay for them ?)

Can't just understand the residential homes though. Yes, understand that this is the resident's home, but also the staff's place of work. Would think banned in the lounges where there are visitor's and public, etc., but would not apply to their rooms, which is private (like hotel rooms for instance). Is this not the case then ?

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Billy no mates eh? you have no friends that smoke, so no tolerance and you are busy burning the sky with cheap paraffin, I couldn't smoke my whole life the amount it takes to carry you in the sky for an hour! :mad:

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Come on people take note of Kisser's smiley's...she was having a jest at us all, don't worry I'll work out a way of getting her back :D:rolleyes:;)

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In the home I work in the staff have always gone outside to smoke anyway but it's the thing with the signs thats causing the confusion and so far we haven't put any up as our bosses feel it would take away the homeliness of the place although we did order some and to answer your question Katex, no we didn't have to pay for them.

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As a former smoker I feel sorry for any air crew who smoke. It can't be easy to nip outside for a fag when you're 3 miles above the Atlantic. ;)

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I see the cafes down town have not been so busy now... only place you can have a smoke is the outside on the market he's got a gazebo up ( but I bet they make him take it down)

I will not pay to have a brew in a cafe if I can't have a smoke.... so I went home early and saved money: feel sorry for the cafe owener though: I used to spend around £15.00 a week but no more:

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The cafe in the Church Street chippy, normally full at Tuesday lunchtime, was nearly empty today.

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Got into work no smoking signs up. Out side in the pouring rain we had to go. Black ashtray stuck to the wall.
Clients are allowed to smoke in our small lounge and when finished the ashtray as to be removed, washed and put away.
Staff can no longer enjoy a fag n chat with client. We'll all catch peaumonia and die from the cold.
mmmm yea right.
Not a happy bunny.

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Legally I don't think your company can allow clients to smoke in the lounge.

If you can't smoke, dob 'em in as well.:D

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the best thing for you smokers to do is leave ya fags at home, then ya wont be tempted to break the law;)

and pigs will fly:D

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blimey and ya smoke too ...you must be well off:rolleyes:;)

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Nice point ... Sit on a pub patio in Kingston and you can't smoke ... but you can breathe the wonderful fresh air from the tour buses idling all along the street, so that they can run their big m.fkg air conditioners constantly ... within a few years the only place one will be able to find fresh air will be in an ice cave on some obscure mountain in Nunavut. The world is going to hell in a handbasket of pollution, and it sure as hell aint second hand fag smoke that is causing the problem. It is much easier for govts. to target smokers than to persuade huge multinational companies, with thousands of expensive lawyers, to quit destroying the planet.

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I quit smoking by the way ... but I will not quit speaking out against bulls**t, particularly govt. bull.

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ha ha I wish, no I used the cafe like an office,now my car is my office when out and about: along with a flask of coffee:

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My dad,who doesn't smoke,went to his local pub last night.He said it was awful and came home early.He was the only one in there.The other blokes he normally chats to were outside where they could smoke,only coming back in to get another drink.Even the landlady was outside with them.He doesn't like cigarette smoke but he said he'd much rather have someone to talk to in the pub,even if they are smoking,than sit there on his own.That's not what you go out for is it?

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It now turns out that the thousands of patio heaters installed outside pubs to keep diehard smokers warm will emit 160,000 tons of CO2 a year, thus eradicating almost 10% of the emission savings to which Britain is pledged under the Kyoto Protocol, according to a British Gas estimate. So, the smoking ban is actually environmentally UN-friendly!

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How many people have actually read the ins and outs of this smoking law? My friends parent own hope and anchor and he enlightened me of a few of the points today.

IF you are a smoker and someone is coming to work at your house, you cannot actually smoke for an hour before they arrive or they do not have to come into your house to do it, they can refuse. So if you need your boiler checking for example, you cannot smoke an hour before the plumber gets there or he can refuse to do it.

My friend made a good point that you should smoke alot if you get a notice that the bailiffs are going to be coming around ;)

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I revived this thread because I heard today that patio heaters may be banned, I wonder if they would be banned if the houses of parliament had banned smoking there, and they had patio heaters outside?

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nowt to do with parliament though its the european namby pamby's that are planning it!!!!!!:(

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Agreed - they wouldn't be if they had our weather

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Mmmm! Giving in again are they? No surprise there then!

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Have you sampled the winter weather in Europe?

It is a lot more severe than ours.

We have the North Atlantic Drift (what some people call the Gulf Stream) to keep us about 10 degrees F warmer than we would be without it.

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My one time Italian relatives did not possess overcoats and had one small radiator to heat a 5 roomed apartment.
I understand that the central European landmass has severe winters but mediterranean countries do not (I suppose the Med acts a heat reservoir since seas cool more slowly than land, plus it is a little further south)
Our winter is milder due to the gulf stream but it lasts much longer due to our latitude

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Well, I'll keep you all warm - I smoke! In case you thought you did, you do not hear an apology - I do not smoke in the houses of people who do not smoke but I do smoke at home (not in the car - my husband is a reformed smoker but very good about it). The person I feel sorry for is the old man who sat in the corner of the pub, doing no harm to anyone with his pint and his cigarette. Where does he go now - he stays at home! Bit sad but I suppose we are a "dying" breed!

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well thats no problem for me anymore, stopped smoking a month ago and i must admit i havent felt so good in years, hope it lasts

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Just seen this one - I thought one of the biggest causes of pollution, which I would defy anyone to find a cure for - is the emmissions from the rear end of cows! I didn't make it up, I really did read it somewhere. What is the EEC going to do, cork them or eat them (but then red meat is of course bad for us).

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Even if you turn vegetarian - you do the farting instead of the cows

Soya beans are the worst for that

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I don't know how people cope with being vegetarian. If a diet has to be supplemented with vitamens, minerals and processed foods surely it mustn't be good for you? I'd rather risk a pork chop than live on those vegetarian foods you buy at health food shops.

I know so many stupid girls that have gone vegetarian thinking its a healthier lifestyle with no proper idea of how to go about it and fallen ill because of the lack of iron they've been getting.

I have one friend who doesn't eat carbs and she said mashed potato makes people fat. I must eat a huge plate of the stuff at least once a week with PLENTY of butter (yum yum). Why are people so naive about food? You can eat anything you like in moderation and proportion. Everyone dies one day, so you might as well eat what you like. As long as you dont over indulge, you're fine.

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Vegetarians should not just stop eating flesh and think 'that's it'.
They need to research the protein values of beans pulses and cereals, and which ones to combine in the same meal to achieve the same protein content as meat and fish.
Iron is in eggs and spinach too.
We would be a healthier nation if we took more interest in what we eat.
Hopefully the reintroduced school cookery lessons will include some food science as well as cooking skills.
I recommend 2 books-
Diet for a Small Planet - and - Recipes for a Small Planet
They are good guides to being vegetarian and staying healthy.

PS just realised that this is a bit of a thread wander.....sorry

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What do you mean by 'reintroduction'? When did they stop teaching cookery? I only left school just over 2 years ago and cooking was compulsory til year 10 then you could choose whether to do cooking or woodwork/electronics etc.

Everything I cook at uni I learnt at school :D Least something was useful

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ePolitix.com - School cookery lessons to be compulsory
Not all schools did that - soon will become compulsory

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Amazing, i never realised that. Ah well, it must be catholic schools being ahead again lol (thinks back to previous thread on 'parents')

I love cooking. The girls who I live next door to have been on their PGCE placements and one of the girls teaches at a primary school that has a full week of the term just doing cooking. Think thats a really good idea. I only remember cooking on pancake day at primary school and once as a project one year and we had to design and make biscuits and all the packaging and stuff. Again, a catholic school, though it wasn't something we did often. I also remember tasting coconut in reception class.

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was asing 2 landlords last night about the effects of the ban, or any positives, both told me that contrary to the no smoking lobby bullsh1t, neither had had 1 new customer who was a Non- Smoker since the ban, both were well down in takings since implementation of it.:(

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I heard that too cashy, I also heard that some pubs are having to work ways round it, was in a pub in rossendale a while ago, after 11 oclock, as soon as the last non smoker left, the doors were locked and the ashtrays came out, have to say that, if my livelehood depended on it, I would have done the same, publicans rock!!!

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im afraid more and more pubs and clubs will close
because of this draconian measure No Smoking the government
will never admit it is the reason however as a non smoker i find myself
stood at the bar by myself while the wife goes for her regular walk outside
its ruined social life in pubs etc :(

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why go to a pub where you have to stand outside to smoke and freeze to death when you can get a couple of tinnies from the offlicense and sit at home?

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Going to the pub is more social and I just steal someones coat so i dont freeze lol - I cant drink at home, its just not the same, I find it depressing . Will have the occasional drink whilst cooking and entertaining but dont make a habit of it lol

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its all about socialising ema, some people enjoy it.:rolleyes:

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i wish i could go out! had it all planned last week, my first night out this year and it all fell through :(

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They reckon that 4-8 pubs close in this country every day!!!!

The smoking ban has not been a good thing, this is coming from the barmaid side of me not the smoking side of me. I, having worked in pubs for years, have noticed a massive difference. Couple this with rent, rates & drinks price increases publicans don't stand a chance.

Emamums statement said it all about the pub trade nowadays. I personally don't and won't drink in my house, its just something i've never done. But lots of people do and this is why pubs are struggling.

But the government and the breweries aren't doing anything to help and aren't taking it seriously. But they'll realise eventually when they aren't getting the rates & rent from pubs and there are only big pub chains left. And don't even get me started on Sky TV!!!

Hoefully with the weather starting to pick up a bit we'll see a bit of a difference.

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I know the feeling emamum, was ready for the off just after Easter then I got the dreaded lurgy, and I'm still breathing like a Perkins Diesel. I'm pig sick:eek:

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What's a Perkin's Diesel then ?

Don't go into pubs much, as not acceptable for ladies on their own ... 'course go into them when with friends, etc., but don't think I would bother anyway, as not very relaxing now just to go for an hour or two and breaking off to sit outside in the cold.

Last week whilst at the Town Hall, had to go outside and sit on the steps .. Saturday night was lovely though. Nearly got picked up twice ...:D Ok.. not bragging or 'owt, think they must have thought my entertainment value extended beyond the stage :eek: ... a bit scarey really.

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perkins diesel is a motor engine :enough:

didnt think gals from clayton ever went in pubs on their own :hehetable

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ah buggar out in the cold,kate where i go has heater n stools.:D;)

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A perkins diesel katex is a rather large diesel engine which makes a hell of a sound when you first crank it up, then chugs away, very reminiscent of my chest at the moment, unfortunately:(

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Thanks Jaysay .. hope your chest improves very soon. x

Beechy: Well, I don't go in the pubs in Clayton on my own, they would wonder what I was up to, and would look very sad ... :( Have gone in loads of restaurants, pubs on my own whilst travelling about the country, (usually for a meal though) and never bothered me, but 'round here' people still seem to frown on this.

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Its true that katex when a woman walks into the pub on her own they all turn round and stare at you. If you are meeting someone then its not too bad. I dont like it either. Yes i do go into pubs on my own normally pool night unless entwisi comes and picks me up!!!! hint hint.... :D

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Thats what we lke about you Jen your as suttle as a sledge hammer:D

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He dont need to bother this week - its to be rearranged.....:D

Jaysay a sledgehammer has nothing on me..... He was the one who said when he asked me to join his team that he'd pick me up - which he has done once the rest of the time he aint been there!!! The rest of the weeks ive gone down myself either hiked it or caught the bus. :D:D:D