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Hi, everyone. Can't seem to find a thread on the smoking ban, so here goes... First, let me say that although I am a smoker, I respect the rights of non-smokers, and agree with the ban IN PRINCIPLE. However, as I am also the driver of a company vehicle, I am confused. The ban is supposed to protect non-smokers, OK so far, but as most company vehicle drivers, truckers, delivery drivers, salespersons, etc, are alone in their vehicles, surely we are killing only ourselves. The ban does not extend to Mum and Dad who can take the 3 kiddies out in a private car, and smoke as much as they like. While most responsible parents would not do this, they will not be committing an offence, whereas I, all alone in my van can be nicked for enjoying a B & H on the M6..... As Terry Wogan says "Is it me......?" :confused: Will we now be seeing "Smoker Detector Vans" deployed on motorway bridges ? :D Comments appreciated....

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OK, ok, so I didn't see the thread under "1st July 2007"...... sorry folks.......

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Well apart from the obvious answer of.....so thats Ok is it? :) .... When that red bit at the end of yer fag drops off and into your lap.. you burn your left testicle. it's pretty hard to control your car or lorry. It's the oncoming traffic who will suffer.. Not just you..

All smoking in cars should be banned..

I am a driver, I ahve smoked and I have had the end drop off and fall between my legs for me to jump around trying to find it... It's a wonder I didn't kill anyone... Thus speaking from experience :)

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were do were draw aline many cars still have radios/cd players were you have to change cd or radio buy reaching over.hands free mobile phones still splits the drivers attention.sat nav have a screen that stays on when your driving to give you instructions i no people that turn the voice control off and use the screen display to navergate.

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I think the "you may drop the cigarette and cause an accident" argument is laughable. I was a driver-who-smoked for over 30 years until I gave up smoking and it didn't happen to me, or to my late husband, or to anyone in my family who drove and smoked, or to anyone I knew.

Think about it, please. Put the frying pan on and it might go up in flames, that happened to my neighbour; wash your car on your drive and someone might slip on the bubbles, that happened to another neighbour. The possibilities are endless, the probabilities are much much less.

I only know, personally, of 1 accident caused by a driver who was distracted by an activity in his car. A colleague of mine had her car rammed, and was quite badly hurt, by a driver who was groping around on the floor of his car. He admitted he had dropped his Fruitgums. Should we ban eating sweets while driving too?

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[QUOTE=KIPAX;441063]Well apart from the obvious answer of.....so thats Ok is it? :) .... When that red bit at the end of yer fag drops off and into your lap.. you burn your left testicle. it's pretty hard to control your car or lorry. It's the oncoming traffic who will suffer.. Not just you..

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Well, have done this myself Kipax and is dangerouse I agree, although never burnt my left testicle yet ... :D

Once driving round and round the roundabout at the Elephant and Castle looking for the correct exit, noticed had knocked the red bit off, smoke coming from gear stick, had burnt through leather .. grabbed can of coke that was open in my car (whoops drinking whilst driving too!) put out what I thought might have turned me into a charred cadiver, and broke weakened tooth at the same time. Needless, to say kept my cool and found correct exit. :rolleyes:

Worst nightmare is if an unwelcome wasp enters your open window, then I really do panic. .:eek:

As above changing programmes on Radio, sat.nav extremely dangerous, not just looking at the blooming thing, but getting angry at that woman when the instruction is not very clear !! Puts my blood pressure up, I can tell ya'.
"Go on BITCH !! .. WHICH LANE DO I NOW TAKE ON THIS FAST MOVING EXIT SLIP ROAD, HURRY UP .. PEOPLE UP MY ARSE !!!" :mad: Oh, and it's all in bloody kilometres ..!

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West Ender meet Katex... Katex meet West Ender.....

Get out of that one west ender ? :) :) :)

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Yeh, but that is once only in a 'smoking whilst driving experience' of 46 years, and plenty of mileage per year I can tell you !.. and only two speeding offences during that period (not high speeds either before you ask :eek:)

Had more near do's whilst trying to find Radio 2 as I moved a further 100 miles down the road .. before that RDS (?) thingy.

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It's just some company's policy if in a company car but, as far as I am concerned, they are just being pevish .. considering it is still to be yer place of work,etc., Willow. Ok if you have a colleague with you that doesn't smoke, fair enough, however, if on your own just control freaking. For instance, I can't smoke at work,ok about that, but if the Directors also decide I cannot smoke in my car 'on their car park' nothing I can do about it. To me, however, that would again be extremely churlish and controlling.

When I go anywhere nowadays, usually hire a car .. this company have 'no smoking' stickers emblazoned all over it. Not sure why ?? or how they stand legally, or what they could do about it if they discovered I had smoked whilst using it. Possibly because of the ash I may drop on the floor .. make more of a mess trying to eat a sandwich on a motorway service to be honest !! Crumbs and salt everywhere, and if they ever put one of those smelly air fresheners in them, will definitely think about claiming compensation, as have extremely bad reactions to them. !

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The best piece of advice I can give to smokers is, and I gave it to my wife, smoke and be happy, if that is where you you get your enjoyment from, just do not do it near me, or in the house that is shared between us. If a lifelong smoker enjoys smoking then so be it, all the propaganda dished out on TV will not add one days life to them, it is far to late, if a smoker wishes to stop that has to be their decision and not non smokers.

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Ah well, Ian .. guess 'tis too late for my blackened lungs, but looking at my newly decorated 'Barley White' ceilings, is having a little pull for cessation of this 'evil' habit, but that cold and rain outside is not very appealing, perhaps should get myself a smoking canopy now ... :( Wonder if I would get planning permission ?

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Consider it granted kate, my wife smokes in the garage attached to the house, she has tried to give up on numerous occasions, but at the end of the day she is far easier to live with smoking.:D

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Out of what? I have never met Katex in the flesh so she is hardly someone I know. I don't know you either but I'll keep an eye out for the one with a slight limp and a look of pain and I'll wave. ;)

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I this will cause a lot of worry to you all that smoke,i smoke my self,and i saw on the new,s on bbc this morning a landlord is prapaird to go to jail for letting is punnters smorke in is pub why can they not leave thing,s alone be cause i think my self all the punnters will stay at home and get carry out,s and then all the pub,s and club,s will shut.

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The pub opposite my office in Warrington has had a smoking terrace built along the length of one wall. It's a wooden platform, about 2' off the pavement, with a safety rubber surface and tough perspex side panels held in place by steel posts. It's under the eaves of the roof, so it will be sheltered from the rain, and it looks wide enough to put a few chairs on. It actually looks very smart as they've stained and varnished the wood.

I think a lot of pubs will do similar things rather than lose trade. I don't think the ban will stop very many people from indulging in their habit.

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Seeing as England is the last in this and the pubs and clubs and have not all shut down in Eire, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales, I don't think this will be the case.

I must say I am looking forward to going out for the night and not coming home with my clothes reeeking like an ashtray.

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Once is enough to have had a serious accident and missed out on many of those years, and you could've taken out a family car, a bus full of people, anything.

You wouldn't be criminally liable if you did though as it would class as non-insane automatism but under this smoking ban if as example already given, a banned sales person did it whilst driving and the scenario happened, I would be worried they may slam a death by reckless driving charge somebody for it.

Better to be safe than think its ok to bend the rules. Same with people speeding.

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As has been said on the other thread,you'll be coming home stinking of other things instead.It was in the paper today how there are lots of smells in a pub that we don't realise are there because cigarette smoke masks them so in future you'll be returning home after an evening's jollification with some dear chums to find that you stink of sweat and farts.:)

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Well, didn't happen Blazey, did it ?, but nearly happened on any many occasions whilst changing channels on Radio ! Not a constructive argument really.

Statistics/insurance claims prove that women are more prone to accidents due to the fact that they do short journeys involving children in the back of cars who cause mayhem with their boisterousness, and distract the Mum, by far outweighing any smoking-related accidents

Let's ban all children from our cars, shall we ? ;)

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Hear hear.I've said similar one one of the several smoking threads we've had.I've come much closer to crashing the car through trying to keep the peace with two squabbling children in the back than I ever have through having a fag.Travelling with children is definitely the riskier of the two.

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Children are distracting but a crash caused by distraction from a child is much more reasonable than a crash caused by a cigarette that could've waited. They'll have the same principles of using a mobile phone and as there isnt really hands free cigarette and ash catcher, its simple enough to just not allow it at all.

To compare an unnecessary puff on a fag to the necessity of travelling with children seems a very unreasonable one in my mind. Not exactly a good comparison.

The other main problem about smoking in cars isnt the likely-hood of burning yourself anyway, its the disposal of cigarettes out of car windows they're also interested in, which DO cause a large amount of accidents from ignited spillages on the road to flying in other car windows and burning other drivers leading to accidents caused. Its a case of ALL road users safety not just your own.

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Any chance of the source of that fact ?

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it was discussed on BBC Parliament quite a while ago when the bill for the ban came up. I would suppose its written in Hansard lol if there is an internet source for that?

Anyone else watch BBC parliament :D I love it. NEEEEY.

edit: said NEEEYY as I like to shout along with it :D

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Well, already done the one of 'fag out of the window bit' and the majority of smokers are unanimous that you just do not do it .. full stop.

To me a puff on a fag is very necessary when driving long distances and saves me from becoming ill-tempered and frustrated in traffic jams and therefore leading me open to stress and less concentration. :D

Yes, of course it is a good comparison as very few accidents caused by smokers compared with other distractions (repeat, repeat). Not really about the necessity anyway .. about the reality of the facts of the causes of accidents. And please don't start me on the necessity of school runners again ..! More accidents on these than smoke-related ones.

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Hate to say it against my own sex but female drivers are a huge cause of accidents, particularly people getting knocked over. They never indicate, they don't pay attention to crossings and they are definatly worse drivers than men and I don't care what complaints i get about THESE remarks. The amount of times i've seen women drivers make really bad driving mistakes that could seriously harm pedestrians has actually scared me from learning to drive myself as I'm afraid I would drive just as badly and injure someone. Women drivers are MANIACS.

In regards to accidents on school runs compared to cigarette related ones, I thought we were on about fatalities. I wouldn't have thought many people die from accidents on the school run, half the time the cars dont move and just park whereever they please.

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I don't think smokers actually realise how bad it actually is for non-smokers to go to the pub and have sore eyes all night because your not used to the smoke like they are, then you stink of it afterwards. I'm not a drinker either so I don't go out for alcohol, just a soft drink, but at least when I get home I don't have to smell of alcohol and have all the badness of the habit pushed onto me. Smokers can be really ignorant to other peoples feelings on it.

People who smoke in bus shelters is my pet hate :mad:

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another thing to add, alot of pubs have been fitting weather proof widescreen tellys so that smokers can still watch the sports at the pub but outdoors where they will be able to smoke. I think its a good idea and with perhaps a gazebo or something to shelter if it rains, it's a good way to go and everyone is happy!

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Would like to thank you all for your contributions, obviously a very emotive subject...... Special thanks to Kipax for sharing....:eek: made my eyes water.... Have to say in 30 years driving 45K+ a year, have never set fire to myself..... Keep it coming, folks........

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As smoker and a driver think its time for smokers to be honest-
- It is unfair to smoke aroubd people who choose not to
- It can be distracting to have a fag whilst driving- the comment about all smokers not throwing tabs out of the car isnt true is it- and theres always that odd one that doesnt quite make it out usualy on the motorway.
- Smoking ban long overdue, its about time and we all know it.

The problem is going to be as has been the case in a number of Dublin pubs- where lanlords let people smoke and pay the fine on a regular basis as what they pay in fines is less than the revenue some of them were losing.

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that oaklea will do well on the decking this summer.you can smoke out there.they are putting on summer offers of beer jugs and that.shouldnt be saying this really because be no seats out there for me :)
how many other hyndburn pubs have outside drinking/smoking though?
i can think of broadway,swan,adelpi,railway,queens,a few in clayton,nowt in ossy really,and ermmmmmmm,see i am struggling now

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I'll be alright when I go out, as from July the first, I shall only be smoking crack and opium, not tobacco.

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Lol very funny.

I also noticed you change your avatar very fast. A minute ago it was maggie thatcher. What a lovely lady.

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Having just been in the Broadway I won't be going back in a hurry;it's absolutely filthy, I couldn't bring myself to sit on the seats, ripped,dirty and all the stuffing hanging out. I know it's just been taken over but come on, you can't expect folk to come back again after that. It used to be a really nice pub, I ate there regularly, it is in desperate need of a refit.

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I have read on a news page today that the new smoking law does not apply in the Isle of Man -maybe they'll get a tourist boom of smokers?

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I'm off to the Isle of Man!:D:D

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Smoking is a dirty habit and its not really a feminine habit. When I see girls my age smoke I think it looks really horrible and tacky. I cant imagine why men would be attracted to a woman that smokes.

Men smell anyway but girls should smell fresh and clean, not of fags.

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Stinky Paris Hilton smokes.;)

http://www.parishiltonblog.org/images/paris_smoking.jpg

Paris Hilton got scared after being snapped smoking something in her car by a cameraman. TMZ is reporting that after seeing the photographer, she became nervous. Paris suddenly swung her head forward pulled down her visor and started applying lipstick.:D

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Oh Dear I was misinformed
BBC NEWS | World | Europe | Isle of Man | Public smoking ban a step nearer
I was websearching flats to let too :((expensive)

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Yes,thanks for that.I am aware that smoking has long since lost the sophisticated image that it once held.I can assure you though that I have not had any trouble attracting men (and nice clean ones too,not just tramps who live in skips!)My personal hygiene is excellent.Please picture me more Carrie Bradshaw and less Waynetta Slob:) Everyone's got something they can't abide in others,mine is people with halitosis,and before you start on about smokers' breath I do not mean fag breath,I mean decay and breath so putrid it smells like something's curled up and died in their oesophagus and a whiff could knock you out at 20 paces But I have witnessed a couple of people with this problem managing to pull.Another one is people who smell as if their shower's been on the blink for months (terrible B.O) managing to pull,that never ceases to amaze me.There are worse crimes in life than smoking although you wouldn't believe it at the moment as smokers seem to be blamed for everything,I even read today that we are going to confuse the hell out of guide dogs when we're all huddled together on the pavement.Soon smoking will be prohibited on the streets too and the only place in the world you can have a fag will be a little hut on the Isle of Man:D:D

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Farters make me retch:s_fart:
Ok to smoke in I O M until 2008 only

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Sark Island in the Channel Islands is the only place within easy reach which has no anti smoking laws whatsoever, and none proposed/pending.
Many European countries have allowed indoor ventilated areas for smokers.
I am still searching for an ideal holiday destination for 2008 - will report back.
It seems I O Man will fine until March 2008.

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Try smoking the tipped ones instead.;):D

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LOL - cant stand nose pickers either - they should be fined for dropping bogies.
Holiday smokers update - CUBA - a long way to go for a fag isnt it?
There is an airline being set up which will be allowing smokers - but it will only fly to Japan (ha so)
The Italians have a ban but allow sealed/ventilated smoking areas in larger restaurants - knowing ITAI culture they wont conform to a ban anyway.
Rumour has it that some bars in Scotland and Ireland are allowing smoking after the doors are shut in the late hours - sort of 'smoking after time' - my research continues.......

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It does seem very strange that there are no exceptions to the ban, not even if you set up a private member's club for smokers.

You can legally go and get your botty tanned in Accrington, at that Miss Whiplash's place, yet you couldn't start a private club allowing consenting adults to smoke tobacco behind closed doors.

Weird old Nanny state.

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There is a long article on the Forest site which claims that the health hazards of smoking are based on falsely gathered statistics and the this whole anti smoking mania has been whipped up by the pharmacutical companies who want to sell more Prozac

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I did laugh when I recently saw the head of FOREST being interviewed on TV, and talking about the benefits of smoking.

The interviewer asked him if he smoked...and he sheepishly replied no!:D

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I have read that the North American natives (ie the ones that were there first) smoke more than the other US citizens but have a much lower incidence of lung cancer. Must be because they dont expose themselves to pollution in the same way the rest of them do - ie - they live ecologically.

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I wonder if Native Americans also have less incidence of disease from passive smoking?

Perhaps it's having a flap for a door, and a hole in the roof of the teepee that is the answer.:D

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You will get Eric angry mentioning teepees - they do live in houses nowadays but their culture means that they prefer wild landscapes to live in and cherish the land, so avoiding city style pollution.
There could be something genetic in the predisposition to cancer which is triggered by ALL forms of pollution. Did you know that there is even nicotine in water!!

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Yes but it's a devil to keep lit.:D

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LOL - I can't follow that one :D

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Be careful Hombre Diablo.............you are in the frame

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You can't keep your fag lit if it's in water lol:D

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Not in the frame, in the crack/opium pipe.;)



Hombre Diablo?
No, that wasn't one of my foreign language films.:evil::D

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Go for it sunshine............You will cut your own throat without my help.
Drugs are not funny!

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Err...I was using humour to point out that although it will be illegal to smoke tobacco in an enclosed space, in a little over six hours, illegal drugs will still be being used all over the country. Some of which, cannabis for instance, still an illegal narcotic, can be smoked in public, with no fear of prosecution.

Your comment referring to me as the devil man, is petty, and shows that perhaps you are still smarting for being made to look a little silly, by majority consent of the people that took part, in the thread about bank charges.

Time to get over it, and move on.:)

Now, where's my crack pipe?

If you really think I'm the devil incarnate, you need to get out more. It's a big bad world out there.:D

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Landlord's Embassy Hope Goes Up In Smoke |Sky News|UK News
A pub is trying for Embassy staus

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It'll be like Passport to Pimlico!

They might make a film of lovable cockney types throwing fags to them, to smoke after they've eaten all their Ferrero Rocher.:D

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Also, forum rules clearly state that all posts must be made in English only, especially insults.;)

Tut tut.

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well now officially uk is a no smoking area in public places:D
i think the hardest time will be in nightclubs, i mean you cant just nip out for a fag can ya!;)


p.s love the avatar garinda;)

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When I went out clubbing in Glasgow in Febuary, visiting my old haunts, the door staff stamped your hand if you wanted a cigarette.

You had to stand in a gazebo, packed in like sardines, and of course you couldn't take your drink outside. I wonder if there'll be an increase of people saying their drinks have been spiked, because of this?

The clubs were a lot less busy, than when I lived up there three years prior to the ban being introduced.

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can you smoke in the town centre or does it only mean indoors?

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You can smoke in the town centre, or anywhere that is not enclosed by more than two walls. Just don't drop your fag end on the floor, because you'll be fined.:D

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All i'm saying on this subject is....

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!! :mad::mad::mad:

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dont know what clubs you went to ? ( grab a granny night at the savoy perhaps :D:D:D) but the ones I go to when back up there are just as busy as they were before the ban was brought in...
and being a non smoker I think its great - same when going for a meal in a pub..no smoke floating under your nose when your eating...and for every smoker who says they wont go back to their local cos of the ban- it may result in more non smokers going out to that pub...so the pub owner may see an increase in custom in that respect...

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We can only wait and see what will happen but none of the none smokers I know who are all clapping their hands in glee at the ban have any intention of going to the pub more often themselves but ,as someone else said,they will be the ones complaining when half of them are shut at Christmas.This no smoking's alright in your swanky wine bars in Manchester but not round here in your boozers and working mens clubs.I think it will be the death knell for a lot of working mens clubs round here.

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Who went out last night?Did anyone go round Ossy or Accy?What was it like?Was it really busy with people going out for their last fag in the pub?Did anyone go to one of those smoking parties?

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We've been really quiet all day even for food. It may be because of the rotten weather, we'll just have to wait & see.

:confused:

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Perhaps everyone has gone to The Crown? ;)

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Which pub do you work in?

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The Oaklea Tavern on Whalley Rd.

:)

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I drove past the Crown earlier this afternoon, it was also quiet. I'll be popping down there in about an hour for a couple of drinks.

:)

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I'd put it down to the weather Jay, it's beginning to do my nut in !

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well now officially uk is a no smoking area in public places

The ban is no smoking in ENCLOSED public places panther. Too many people are twisting the legislation to mean just places where members of the public have access to. Like walking down the street or in parks etc.

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or anywhere that is not enclosed by more than two walls

I’m not saying you are wrong garinda, but where does that come from? To enclose an area means a wall all the way round and a roof. Or is this just another urban myth that is being put forward by the anti-smoking lobby to try and get bus shelters and the like included in the ban?

There is talk that some councils are asking home owners and tenants to not light up at least one hour before an official or workman is due to attend and certainly not during the attendance and also to open the windows during that time. Asking now - making it the law tomorrow?

As I understand it the ban only applies to tobacco products so in theory you could light up a fag made from cabbage leaves or fill your pipe with nettle leaves.

When the smoking in enclosed public spaces was first put forward by Labour they declared that private clubs, where members voted to allow smoking, and pubs, which do not serve prepared food would be exempt. Another Tony lie!

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as this place is viewed by the public

can i please ask members new and old to refrain from smoking while viewing , replying , adding messages on Accy web.

also please bare in mind that you should not smoke at least 1 hour before entering the accy web as the smell will linger


i thank you

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Prisons and Care Homes are exempt from the new ban...Ronnie Biggs must be happy!

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Smoking of any kind is now illegal - so herbs and seaweed are banned too.
The definition of an enclosed space does include bus shelters if they have more than 2 sides.

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Smokefree England - all about the smokefree legislation on 1st July 2007
Guidance on the law here

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Not according to http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2006/20063368.htm it doesn’t.

Where did you get your signature quote from blazey? Or did you make it up?

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Strange isn't? I remember reading that prisons would be exempt because it would interfere with the prisoners human rights, what the heck happened to my human rights? I haven't been found guilty of anything.

Perhaps what I need to do is get caught smoking in an enclosed public space, refuse to pay the fine, go to court, get sentenced and then I will have my smoking privileges returned to me.
:confused:

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Of course I didn't mean illegal -everywhere

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[quote=jambutty;442908]

There is talk that some councils are asking home owners and tenants to not light up at least one hour before an official or workman is due to attend and certainly not during the attendance and also to open the windows during that time. Asking now - making it the law tomorrow?


I was under the impression that you can't have a fag in your house now if you've got workmen in as it would be their workplace.

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[quote=Lilly;442932]Being that this is a family forum, I wont type what I am thinking...
:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

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[quote=magpie;442956]I'm probably thinking the same as you.Put politely it's ludicrous isn't it?:)

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Maybe the next thing to be banned in public is eating certain foods as they can cause obesity. Tell you what, let's ban sweets, chocolates, fast food joints and anything made from animals. Oh and whilst we are at it can we also ban overpowering perfumes/aftershaves/deodorants. They don't half make me choke.

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All I know is that the cafe owner can't allow people to smoke at the tables she has outside, in Accrington's Victorian Arcade, because it's classed as enclosed, and is open at both entrances.

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This is not true staff cant smoke in care homes but residents can

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Well for the residents its classed as there home so they can smoke but to the staff its a work place so they cant smoke
its stupid i know and where Anne works he is not sorting a shelter out all he has done is screwed a ashtray to the wall outside.

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I believe the definition needed to be not 'enclosed' is that three sides must be open to the atmosphere for a minimum depth of 18" unfortunately for annie teh arcade is only open on two hence its classed as enclosed.

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Im sure I read (from my childs school) that if you are waiting in your car in a school car park you arnt allowed to smoke in the car.

Shouldnt really smoke when kids are in the car but whilst waiting seems a bit OTT to me.

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It has always been the case that the owner of any property could decide to allow smoking or not. In years gone by there were some pubs that didn’t allow smoking in the ‘Lounge’ and only in the ‘Vault’ or ‘Tap Room’. For years now shops and stores have had no smoking signs displayed. Buses used to have no smoking on the lower deck or the front part of the bus for single deckers. Some taxis and private hire vehicles have displayed no smoking signs, whilst others have not. In other words it was recognised that the owner of the property had the final say about smoking.

So this new law has taken away a human right. To decide for yourself whether you allow smoking on your property by visitors to it.

Now it seems that everyone is jumping on the bandwagon and extending the law to include outdoor property like car parks. I’m sure I read somewhere that Blackburn Council intends to ban smoking in public parks. Or was it a nightmare?

What is going to be next? Social housing landlords refusing to let a new property to those prospective tenants who admit to being a smoker? How long before this will be extended to existing tenants? Some private landlords already have a no smoking clause in the tenancy agreement. It is their right.

How long before some local authority will decide that as it owns the land on which roads are built and declares them a no smoking zone? They can do, it’s their property. Of course in the meantime vehicles chuck out their poison with carefree abandon.

These gloating anti smoking brigadiers don’t know what they have unleashed and the precedent that it has established in law will come back to bite them too.

The next target is going to be the private motor vehicle. Under the guise of creating a healthier atmosphere (one child in four develops asthma before it can walk, run and talk properly) and reducing the carbon footprint, older vehicles (first less than 10 years old, then less than 5 years old) will be banned. Such a move will kill three birds with one stone. Get millions onto public transport, unclog the public highways, reduce atmospheric pollution. It probably won’t happen in my motoring lifetime but it will come because the government is committed to making it happen.

Having pushed the majority of the citizens into the “you will live a life style dictated by the government” corner, the government of the day won’t be able to resist.

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That is a hell of a post Jim.
I think as part of the anorak brigade as they call us that we have brought up to stand against these clowns who have nothing better to do than make life miserable for all members of the community no matter what age.

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Cuba looks a nice place to live - no anti smoking law - high membership of trade unions - nationalised industries - a good health service - ie all things we used to have.

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There is no rational answer to that one.
They are ruled by a communist dictator........Is that better than we have got?
You dont need a health service there, if you disagree with the government - you get shot.

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I read an enormously long entry in Wikipedia on Cuba - doesn't seem THAT bad.

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Not for me thanks

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"Cuba's achievements in social development are impressive given the size of its gross domestic product per capita. As the human development index of the United Nations makes clear year after year, Cuba should be the envy of many other nations, ostensibly far richer. [Cuba] demonstrates how much nations can do with the resources they have if they focus on the right priorities - health, education, and literacy."
-- Kofi Annan, Secretary General of the United Nations, April 11, 2000

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right fair enough, that raises this question, if the powers that be are talking about NO SMOKING for council house residents for 1 hour before a workman comes, cos then your home will become his/her workplace, WHATS the Differance?:confused:HYPOCRACY In its Highest Form.