Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 531636)

At least he posts sometimes!!!! - The Conservative Councellors are noted by their absence!

Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 532810)

I was one of the people in the public gallery, who saw the incident. PB did call Cllr McCormack a silly cow. It might be interesting to find out exactly, what else he is lying about.

(I have not been on Accy web for several days, otherwise I would have posted earlier).

Maybe you agreeing with his denial, shows that you will suopport anything anyone says, just to prove they are innocent. typical lawyer.

As for your attitude that politics is no place for a woman, I suppose you think that women should not have the vote either. Personally I can't see why the law is ok for a woman but not politics.

But then I forgot you are studying law.

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 532670)

had he not bought off his constituents with empty promises and a cheap illustrated calendar ( a pity that Gayle is too principled to stoop so low, or lower).

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 532670)

I have said it before and I will say it again, Britcliffe is a liability. He should have been voted out at the last opportunity, and would have been, had he not bought off his constituents with empty promises and a cheap illustrated calendar ( a pity that Gayle is too principled to stoop so low, or lower).

Originally Posted by blazey (Post 532862)

I would rather never had the vote, then I cant be accused of being a part to the government that is currently in power. Better to not be associated with it and leave the men to be blamed and play politics. Its all a very childish affair. I would happily be a housewife, and if my boyfriend ever comes into money I would rather be his housewife than a lawyer.

I got an essay marked and handed back to me today and I was marked down for using common sense over legal principals. I guess I need to learn what opinions to use at certain times, because I'm treated like I speak like a lawyer on here with no common sense, and the complete opposite at the law school. Can't win can I?!

I just like Britcliffe as a person, not as a politician. He's friendly. Everyone loses their rag every now and again and politicians do it all the time! So what if he called her a silly cow, I've been called all sorts of crap on ths forum, some of it I could probably sue for libel over but I have a sense of humour and a bit of back bone. Whoever that woman is needs to get over it, she could've been called much worse things!

Originally Posted by blazey (Post 532543)

I love the guy though so I am biased. I think the sun shines out of his backside.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 532881)

By the way, I didn't say that.:)

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 532881)

By the way, I didn't say that.:)

Originally Posted by panther (Post 532945)

LOL....i like reading this thread, its getting interesting:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 532990)

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 532990)

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 532990)

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 533124)

Let's hope he also 'forgets' that he ever mentioned changing the name of the borough, too.:D

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 533182)

he only has a selective memory:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Madhatter (Post 533211)

No Panther I'm the one with a friend

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 533088)

I think the general feeling is that we are all too well aware of Britcliffe's unorthodox relationship with the truth

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 533189)

He's a politican.

Though how he failed to get elected to Westminster, more than once, is a mystery.:D

Originally Posted by blazey (Post 533455)

I wasn't there, I don't know exactly what set him off, but what I do know is that nobody says something like that without being provoked by something, and I know is that he is only human, even if being a politician makes him a bad one :p

Originally Posted by katex (Post 533756)

Just as an addition to this, noticed there will be a piece in the Observer tomorrow, and Cllr. Britcliffe said that he had asked people sat near to him if they heard this remark. They all replied in the negative .. nowt to do with the fact that the people were all Conservative councillors of course.. :rolleyes:

Not that he speaks very loudly mind you, but if Claytonender and I heard it from the balcony, surely they heard it from the floor !?!?!

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 533759)

well its a case of they all P*** in the same pot,:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by katex (Post 533756)

Just as an addition to this, noticed there will be a piece in the Observer tomorrow, and Cllr. Britcliffe said that he had asked people sat near to him if they heard this remark. They all replied in the negative .. nowt to do with the fact that the people were all Conservative councillors of course.. :rolleyes:

Not that he speaks very loudly mind you, but if Claytonender and I heard it from the balcony, surely they heard it from the floor !?!?!

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 532531)

i know all councillors are "NOT" a waste of time,that is not my beef,never will be,what i am saying is you can never get em all to work together, sad but true, ya will learn that if you keep going to em, you may view that as negative, your right, i view it as fact.;)

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 534071)

And sad though it is to admit it, this is one of the reasons why I'm actually glad that I wasn't elected.

When I stood, I had this grand vision that Councillors actually worked together for the greater good of the Borough. Even before the election itself two years ago I had insights that this wasn't the case and clearly it still isn't.

Now I'm not tarring everyone with the same brush because I'm currently working with two councillors on one project - both are from opposite sides of the divide and both are lovely, helpful and dedicated, they are both very committed to working together.

I also come in to contact with others who are helpful and willing to muck in.

But what I'm seeing cheapens the whole political process. Yes, Britcliffe shouldn't have said what he said and I agree that lying after the event is wrong but surely this shouldn't have been taken to the complaints procedure in the first place. By taking something like this to the complaints panel it completely undermines the rest of the work that is going on in the borough - it's had more discussion on here than the Accrington Masterplan and it's had equal coverage in the papers! What message is this sending to anyone?

So, Wynonie, if you were to ask me right now which political party I supported I would sadly have to report NONE!

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 534071)

And sad though it is to admit it, this is one of the reasons why I'm actually glad that I wasn't elected.

When I stood, I had this grand vision that Councillors actually worked together for the greater good of the Borough. Even before the election itself two years ago I had insights that this wasn't the case and clearly it still isn't.

Now I'm not tarring everyone with the same brush because I'm currently working with two councillors on one project - both are from opposite sides of the divide and both are lovely, helpful and dedicated, they are both very committed to working together.

I also come in to contact with others who are helpful and willing to muck in.

But what I'm seeing cheapens the whole political process. Yes, Britcliffe shouldn't have said what he said and I agree that lying after the event is wrong but surely this shouldn't have been taken to the complaints procedure in the first place. By taking something like this to the complaints panel it completely undermines the rest of the work that is going on in the borough - it's had more discussion on here than the Accrington Masterplan and it's had equal coverage in the papers! What message is this sending to anyone?

So, Wynonie, if you were to ask me right now which political party I supported I would sadly have to report NONE!

Originally Posted by katex (Post 533756)

Just as an addition to this, noticed there will be a piece in the Observer tomorrow, and Cllr. Britcliffe said that he had asked people sat near to him if they heard this remark. They all replied in the negative .. nowt to do with the fact that the people were all Conservative councillors of course.. :rolleyes:

Not that he speaks very loudly mind you, but if Claytonender and I heard it from the balcony, surely they heard it from the floor !?!?!

Originally Posted by the real michael (Post 531997)

big deal... some over the hill fat faced remedial speaks its mind ... whats wrong with that? when people call for the sacking of anyone who speaks his (or her) mind it goes to show how thick the complainers are! we cant tell the truth.. we cant smoke
we cant say ****... or queer .. or bellittle anyone for offending these incredibly retarded idiots who complain about what others say, yet in reality its the complainers who should be stood on like the cockroaches they are.... people who complain of others social etiquette hide even bigger sins
and just to throw off any suspicion , try to look like a good person by objecting to anything that can be referred to as "offensive" very sad and pretentious...

these peoples judgements are worthless, even GOD doesnt judge on
what is said, he judges on what has been DONE, this means that if it was up to the ill informed low esteemed tards to force conformity onto us, eventually they would have
to sack and condemn themselves too because if everyone had a vioce recorder permenantly switched on, i will guarantee 100% that everyone will say something others
will find offensive, and in perspective to their tiny egos...will have signed their own death warrant, and lets speak the truth here, thats a very retarded thing to do.

I too would like to know how the patter went because if she wasnt what he said then why didnt she come back with a better
retort ...was it because the fat old fart had a piont?

In order to give perfect judgement one thing is paramount, the TRUTH ...
if the truth offends you , your not as smart as your delusion makes you beleive...
communication will lead to world peace and restore harmony to the universe
shutting people up and oppressing opinions that dont agree with you will
result in global war ... and considering all the information i hold regarding the eventual
downfall and rapture of every living thing on earth i think that to condemn a man for speaking his mind (NO MATTER HOW SENILE HE IS) is pure evil, and evil is pure DUMB

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 534199)

The real michael is the sort of person who always seems to come and sit next to me on buses!

Originally Posted by Madhatter (Post 535855)

made me chuckle that.
I don't agree with not reporting it because he's a bully and stopping the councillors who do want to improve things from doing so. He seems to have a 'his way or not at all' attitude from what you've all put on here.

Blazie all people lie but I don't stand by people that blatantly do so just because I like them. It doesn't mean that if I don't stand by them that I'll stop liking them either. It just means I know they're lying and I'm not going to support them doing so.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 535917)

If there was a report sent in every time a councllor called another councillor names, it would become ridicules.

Originally Posted by Madhatter (Post 536202)

Very true accyman.
It's verbal abuse and could be classed as sexist verbal abuse. If its been to a standards board he should have been reprimanded for it.
He wasn't because he lied and claimed he hadn't said it. It's a shame that Katex and claytonender couldn't have been called as witnesses.

I smell the big C drifting through the streets of hyndburn.

The standards board will lose all respect if they let councillors get away with what they want, we''ll have them calling each other silly ..... na I cant put that it's a family forum full of decent people.

Originally Posted by Madhatter (Post 536202)

It's verbal abuse and could be classed as sexist verbal abuse.

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 536458)

Why was it sexist? Because cows are female. If I call you a t**t, which has been known, is that a sexist comment because they are female?

I refer to both men and women as tarts, if I call it a women am I being sexist and not if I call it a man?

Originally Posted by WalkOnBRFC (Post 536461)

Ouch! you called somebody the 'T' word. That's shocking Neil I'm sure you didn't mean it :(.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 536490)

Oh yes he did:D

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 536524)

I'm surprised no one has said this before -

But surely the correct response to being called a "silly cow" should have been "that's a strange comment from someone who talks so much bull".

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 536458)

Why was it sexist? Because cows are female. If I call you a t**t, which has been known, is that a sexist comment because they are female?

I refer to both men and women as tarts, if I call it a women am I being sexist and not if I call it a man?

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 536580)

As I said earlier, Cllr. McCormick needs to toughen up a bit and learn to give as good as she gets. If she runs off in tears everytime someone says something mildly critical to her she is going to get nowhere, fast.

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 536524)

I'm surprised no one has said this before -

But surely the correct response to being called a "silly cow" should have been "that's a strange comment from someone who talks so much bull". :D:D:D

NOTE - smilies just for Jaysay

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 536596)

Cllr Britcliffe can't possibly have an interpretation because the words aren't in his vocabulary ;)

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 536653)

Well there is one thing about this little tiff between these councllors it sure has created one hell of a thread (am I allowed to say hell on here:D)

Originally Posted by WalkOnBRFC (Post 536736)

Your trouble you Jaysay.. a right little strirrer Lol. I must agree if the Standards Boards Agency people or whatever they call won't hang PB :ph34r8: we sure will :D

:smile:

Originally Posted by katex (Post 536787)

Well, your comments on the Observer website will help WalkOnBRC (bloodyhell .. yer user name sure hard to type.. yes, would be better as Walkonstanley ..:)). Have added a contribution myself, but that is far as I am prepared to go. ;)

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 537222)

Has it possibly occured to anyone that the object of Mr Britcliffe's observations may well be a silly cow, incapable of stringing a sentance togeather? It is, afterall, a trait not uncommon. My estimate is that it is one pocessed by 99% of all women.

Originally Posted by WalkOnBRFC (Post 537224)

Oi teabag! you cheeky monkey!! :eek:

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 537222)

Has it possibly occured to anyone that the object of Mr Britcliffe's observations may well be a silly cow, incapable of stringing a sentance togeather? It is, afterall, a trait not uncommon. My estimate is that it is one pocessed by 99% of all women.

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 537277)

And there we have the difference between you and PB Mr. Leaf. At least you are willing own up to your opinion even if it is rubbish. Mind you, you could do with using a spell checker, if you pocess one. :p Afterall to string a sentance togeather, has it occurred to you it helps to be able to spell? ;)

Originally Posted by lindsay ormerod (Post 537370)

Originally Posted by g jones (Post 537398)

Thank you Katex. I respect your right to reserve your view on matters you think would be best for the Borough. But on this issue doubt has been removed and I for one feel a bit better that I am not having to fight silly uphill battles, he said she said. That honesty exists, and that those that tell lies are held accountable.

Time to move on. More untruths to be uncovered.... one day Hyndburn will be great, that day will be when the truth is the driver of change and not ego's, power or back door alliances.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 537493)

Well thats evidently when you've retired from politics, because whether you like it or not Graham you are just as bad as Peter Britcliffe, if not worse, because there is no bigger ego in the council chamber than yourself, and that hasn't come from any Tories on HBC but some one on your own side, take a good look in the mirror, even more tha you do already

Originally Posted by g jones (Post 537531)

I didn't want the job in the first place and thought others could do a better job as Labour Leader.

Originally Posted by g jones (Post 537531)

TOTAL CRAP. Same old Tory, same old phoney stories. Your losing the arguments (being found out) thats all that's happening.

I didn't want the job in the first place and thought others could do a better job as Labour Leader. Those people said the same about me, that they didn't want to stand, and that I should stand. I have said I don't mind standing down, it's not about me (I could do with a rest), its about the truth. This year I was asked to stand again and I got every vote. When I lost in 2005, it was because I was NOT single minded enough and gave in too easily.

You really do crawl through the gutter for your Tory stories don't you?

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 537543)

We agree on something at last Graham.

You did not want the job and you think others could do a better job than you.
Was it not irresponsible of you to take the job then?

However on a more positive note a little bird tells me you have some great ideas for next years budget. Why don't you share them with us? It would create a much better image of yourself and your party if you started a positive thread instead of all this mud slinging and bitching.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 537656)

Webs have eyes Neil Webs have eyes;)

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 537666)

I said a little bird told me not a little spider :rolleyes:.

Originally Posted by blazey (Post 537824)

Everyone loves the Conservative Party really, and that's why I don't understand why people vote for Labour.

You all rant about wanting the death penalty back, but at some point when the death penalty DID exist, people must've WANTED a change and voted for someone else, otherwise the Tories would've kept things how they where.

People whinge about change and then vote Labour, and as it gets worse and worse, you just keep on voting for them and wondering what is happening to society. Well Labour is what happened, and to be quite frank they were a load of crap in the beginning and they just get worse and worse every year.

David Cameron at least looks alright, Gordon Brown can't even speak properly, he just mumbles and someone interprets it afterwards... and then you wonder what has gone wrong... well its Labour that have gone wrong.

Originally Posted by panther (Post 537858)

Labour have been into power for over 10 years blazey, ya was only bloody 8/9 years old when they did, how do ya know conservative will be better:rolleyes:......like all the politcians...everything that comes out of there gob is utter ****!!....so conservatives are as bloody BAD

Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 538127)

who took notice of politics at the age of 8/9

Originally Posted by blazey (Post 537824)

Everyone loves the Conservative Party really,

Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 538261)

Maybe Blazey would like to explain David Cameron's pledge to end Housing Market Renewal as per the Telegraph on Monday 25 February.
We Would Get Rid Of Elevate Hints Cameron (from Lancashire Telegraph)

This smacks of back to Maggie Thatcher, no investment in East Lancashire.

There is a very good anti Tory slogan on Facebook, but unfortunately it is not printable on here. It reminds people what they did to the ordinary working man and woman in this country in their 18 years of rule and that they will do it again, if they get back into power.

Do you really want to go back to the Thatcher years?

In May 1955 (when I was 9) there was a general election. I asked my dad what each party stood for and the differences between them. He explained the differences to me - and said that I should always remember that the Torys were only interested in peopel with money and that there would only ever be one party for the working man, and that was Labour. I have always remembered this and knew that once I got the vote (which was at 21), I would vote Labour and have always done so.

Originally Posted by Cyfr (Post 538332)

If you read it he says it simply needs looking at on a case by case basis. Personally I think elevate is a enormous waste of money. It costs so much more to demolish buildings only to rebuild them with lower quality materials which won't stand the test of time. It's much cheaper to simply completely redo the insides and repair the existing house.

I don't think its the right idea to stick with a party because of what they were like in 1955. In the same way that I don't think people should not vote for a party because of what they did in the 1980's. If you think New Labour are for the working man, you're rather misguided. The wealth gap is the biggest in 40 years. Both parties are gunning for the middle class, because that's where all the votes are.

We don't need another Thatcher, because times aren't as extreme, our economy isn't falling over, we're not at the mercy of unelected trade unions. People talk about Europe taking the sovereignty of parliament, well back before Thatcher the Unions were taking the sovereignty of parliament. Most of the workers didn't even want to strike, they were forced to.

How about when she allowed everyone to buy their OWN house by purchasing the council house they lived in for cheaper than market value? Is this not for the working man?

Is our country not reaping the benefits of her reforms? Have we not just had 16 years of uninterrupted economic growth? Are you not living remarkably better off than 30 years ago?

She did what was necessary to turn our country around, something Labour couldn't do whilst being crippled by the unions and it's socialist unworkable policy, which I remind you gave Thatcher her biggest landslide victory. You need a strong economy, because you can redistribute the wealth to those who need it. She wouldn't be needed in the current age, thats why Cameron isn't a Thatcherite.

Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 538339)

I know that all your opinions are gained from reading etc, as you did not live throught he Thatcher years, I am speaking as one who did and was made redundant twice.

So what about the hugh profits the privatised industries (Tory Policy) are making? The ridculous increases in gas and electricity prices are hitting the most vunerable members of our society most.

Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 538339)

So what about the hugh profits the privatised industries (Tory Policy) are making? The ridculous increases in gas and electricity prices are hitting the most vunerable members of our society most.

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 538344)

Totally agree, so could you tell us what the present Labour government are doing about it? Yes, it was Tory policy, but the "party for the working man" are doing a remarkably good job in perpetuating that policy!

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 538364)

One of the few remaining nationalised 'industries' (beside Labour's latest addition - Northern Rock) is the NHS, just look at the amount of money that is wasting due to mis-management.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 538366)

Hear Hear Neil, a man with sense:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 538366)

Hear Hear Neil, a man with sense:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 538428)

...or a fellow natuaral conservative.;)

There's one thing, Jaysay my old mucker, without the N.H.S., intoduced by the post-war Labour government, me and thee, with our assorted illnesses, would be well and truly up the proverbial creek.

As we both know no health insurance companies would take on patients with long term, incurable, illnesses.

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 538456)

I did not say the NHS was a bad thing, or course it is not. I said it was mis managed like the majority of nationalised industries were/are.