"Silly Cow" Clr Britcliffe
 

This week the Standards Board said Clr Britcliffe calling Clr Colette McCormack a "Silly Cow" in Full Council in November have said it was 'heat of the moment". Members of this Accy Web were present.

Mr Britcliffe said "(Your so thick) you couldn't even string a sentence of words together you silly cow". Things happen that aren't right but should be put in perspective.

On the night everyone there thought it was in very poor taste. However what gets me is that he has denied saying it in the Telegraph when 40 people heard him. "It's not in his vocabulary" he says, so he couldn't have said it.

I wonder what members of Accy Web present at the time think of this?

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Come on G jones, you know how it works. Even when a councillor breaks the rules, they're let off with a tap on the wrist. The rules aren't really rules they're just guidelines to such important people.
Same happened down here, councillor made an outburst, got a telling off, naughty naughty don't do it again.
My interpretation of such a comment is that it is a clearly sexist comment meant to be derogatory solely based on the her being a woman.
He should be removed for making such a comment.

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If he had said it to someone at work he would have lost his job and wouldn't have had an argument. Is there a difference here?

Suz x.

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What was said in order to spark this response from him? I'd like to know all the story.

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whatever it was,so long as it was not personal it does not warrant that response, funny how you all seem to stick together.:rolleyes:also funny how graham brings this up,yet seems to avoid certain threads that are far more important.

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Was he right though?:D:D

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Well I don't know what it was, whether it was personal or not, thats why I'm asking before making judgement on it. As yet I haven't made comment on it and to suggest I would defend somebody solely because they're a member of a certain political party is rather misguided.

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Amazing...truly amazing...practically every day the government that Graham so ardently supports is routinely criticised, ridiculed and generally trashed on here. Yet not one peep do we hear from our Graham. A bit of alleged juvenile name-calling in the council chamber and he starts a flippin' thread about it! :rolleyes:

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Councillor McCormack has visited my home in connection with the dog mess problem last year.
I found her most helpful, and the action she took to assist me was productive, and there was some improvement to the dog mess problem.

In contrast - the email response from Councillor Britcliffe was --
Thank you . I have asked for this request to be investigated. It would seem sensible. Kind Regards Peter BrITCLIFFE (copied and pasted in total)

That was 10 months ago - no result from his 'investigations'.

When it comes caring for the community Mrs McCormack is better than PB

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the first post tells you what was said.:)

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could not agree more Wynonie, over the months I could not post on here it didn't stop me reading and it was quite noticeable that anytime a thread having a go at a government policy you couldn't see the Jones boy for dust, but anyone having a poke at Britcliffe and he was onto it like a flash. In fact I have posted on another thread, that he'd go missing again like he usually does.:icon_hump

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At least he posts sometimes!!!! - The Conservative Councellors are noted by their absence!

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agreed, but tactically, avoids the controversial threads.:rolleyes:

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The problem is that if the councillors post on some topics they are accountable.

More than once, Graham has been hauled over the coals for controversial things that have been posted on here so I think he's more than a little cautious now.

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His he a man or a mouse, if he can't stand up and justify what his government is doing in Westminster, then he's not fit to lead the Labour Group on the council. If he only comes on here and coment on selective issues that satisfy is own ends, then its best if he stays of political subjects altogether.

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The challenge we face is differentiating between the political and non-political. Almost all of these threads have a political element of national or local significance, be that in the directly applicable abstract sense. Politics is by nature the discussion of how we operate as a community and as a country, what we value and what we consider important - politics exists because we disagree, and is enriched because we are allowed to. The thread on the death penalty, whilst not directly applicable in the UK has political consequences and people could be called to justify or clarify their views should they contribute to the debate.

This is neither a defence nor attack on Mr Jones - I am merely playing Devil's advocate.

The nature of local politics is sometimes seen as petty and petulant where members of all parties seize opportunities to score political points on their opponents. That is the way of politics and it is for people to decide as individuals how to judge their representatives - and the criteria for how they wish to do that.

MikeSz

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No it does not. It simply has one side of the argument, what Peter Britcliffe said in response. I want to know what set him off.

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that is irrelavant seeing as how britcliffe denies saying it, that makes him a liar in my book, when theres many witnesses that he did.:rolleyes:

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He might well be lying if he has denied something that has happened, but I still want to know what provoked it.

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well if he is,that means how can you believe anything he says?

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You mean we're not 'excellent'? :D

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must say i do find it very difficult to get me head round.:rolleyes:

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Look, you've been missing my point for about five posts now. At this point I'm less interested in whether he's lied or not and more interested in what was said that triggered his response.

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So, the Idiot-in-Chief tells lies. Well, I am surprised. Who would have thought it. Whatever next?

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Graham Jones doing something useful, maybe:D

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i get your point completely, what i am saying is it dont really matter.:rolleyes:whatever it was it does not justify that response from the Leader of the Council, unless YOU think it does?

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or Greg Pope doing anything, perhaps ? ? ?

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Cashman I think cyfr is trying to find out just what it was that the unfortunate councillor said that got PB so riled. I must admit I am more than a little intrigued myself to discover just how appalling, and/or true, was the thing she said. I think we should be shown a complete transcript so that we can judge for ourselves just how petty and small minded our "dear leader" actually is

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ah cheers AB, that i do like,though doubt if my mate will.;)

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Who was it from Accyweb who heard what was said?

Maybe they can clarify for us.

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"Accountable"? Accountable for what? If he can't come on here and argue in favour of the present Labour government that you both supposedly support, then in my view, it's a poor do. And that goes for you, too!

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Think it might be me actually (or one another) Did hear this remark, but cannot remember the exact dialogue that led up to it .. was a long meeting with regard to the proposal of the Hyndburn name change.

It was obvious that the proposal was losing ground and think Cllr.Britcliffe was probably getting a little peavish at this stage as he was in a corner, and nowhere else for him to go. Insults abounded throughout the meeting, lots of them personal which were extremely amusing (he does have a dry sense of humour.. should be a stand up comedian).

Don't think accusing this lady Councillor of not being able to string three words together is a big deal (my goodness, three, that many ! ..:D) only banter, just the 'Silly Cow' bit. More mouthed than anything. Seemed all part of the proceedings to me. Wasn't said heatedly at all .. just an aside. Perhaps he should have been a little more careful, but was said in an amusing way.

Said it before, but Graham Jones ignored his gibes all night .. and just got on with it.. best way.

Storm in a teacup.

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Whatever Peter Britcliffe called her it will be no worse than Councillor Jones has called members of this forum. The good thing about this messageboard is that Councillor Jones was able to delete his insult before too many people read it. People in glass houses springs to mind. As katex says, storm in a teacup.

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You can say that as often as you like Wynonie but it will never be true. I have NEVER once said that I supported the Labour Government. I have never said I don't either but that's not the point.

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A classic politician's answer!

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I'm not one of those either. If you recall I lost the election!

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Yes, I know, and that's unfortunate for the people of your ward. I certainly would have voted for you! However, there's always next time...which is why it wouldn't do to appear on here supporting the highly unpopular policies of this present government. But then again, if you actually came out against them, it wouldn't go down well with the Labour party bigwigs. Quite a dilemma!

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Not a dilemma at all - as you point out quite often, I'm successfully not doing either of those things!


BTW - thanks for the vote, shame you couldn't have convinced another 200 people

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Nothing happened before Cyfr. She asked a short reasonable question. Every time she speaks Clr Britcliffe feels neccessary to intimidate her which always means insults. It is a constant battle with Peter to rid Oswaldtwistle of any Labour Councillors, so every week pathetic little battles ensue to gain the upper hand and undermine/disconcert Clr McCormack. .

Accy Web members present and others in the public gallery were taken aback. Like I said before, not all Tories are bad and not all Labour are good. The County Tories won't have much to do with Hyndburn Tories because they think they are disgraceful bunch as well. It's not political.

Attacking me is just part of old school politics. I get things wrong but we have to get used to a new type of politics, not being about the guy at the top always having to be right because he is the one at the top, but a guy at the top encouraging everyone else to work positively together so that all the good ideas surface.

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No, you're not, but I will never quite understand why your opinions on this present government should be shrouded in such an eternal air of mystery. Never mind, perhaps one day you'll feel able to share your feelings with us!

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I have commented on things in the past. But it's no mystery. I just don't comment on things that I have little knowledge of.

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I agree totally Katex. I think my point wasn't the fracas itself which was a particularly low part of a discusion (which your right, I thought was childish at times and ignored).

My point was when acused, Clr Britcliffe said he never said it 'not in his vocabulary', and 30-40 people did actually hear/see him say it.

It's the constant lies. No-one is holding him to account.

Wynonnie, Teabags, JaySay are entitled to their opinion. I don't share it. Perhaps if they attended the meetings their personal criticisms would carry more weight and they could meet Labour members in person.

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Why are you always so smug about your own opinion and feel in neccessary to chip away undermining other people personally?

I think people switch off to any good points you could contribute and that's a shame.

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why have things changed that much? way back when attending meetings did not have much influence if any.:rolleyes:

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At least I have my own opinion and I'm not afraid to express it. The policies of this present government on anything and everything from law & order to the war in Iraq are aired on this forum on an almost daily basis. We rarely see any opinions from you or Gayle on these matters and you are the ones who should have more of an opinion than most, as paid-up members of the Labour party...or are you taking Gayle's sitting-on-the-fence line ("I've never said I supported the Labour government...and I've never said I don't.")?

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attack is often quoted as the best form of defence,could well apply to you graham, whilst skillfully sidestepping far more important issues than name calling.:rolleyes:

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Why do labour supporters have to always agree with whats happening in government and conservative supporters always have to agree with whats going on at local level?

I dont always agree with stuff thats going on with the political party i support so why should i have to do it on here.

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Speaking of council meetings, where can I find out when they're held and is it simply a case of just turning up?

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normally you can just turn up cyfr, dont know when they are,i gave up wi em 30 yrs ago.;)

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Agendas, reports and minutes

There you are cyfr

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This is the problem with going with a party at local level. Some people are obsessed with bringing national politics to a local level. Just because a councillor is labour at a local level does not mean she has to agree with or even have an opinion on politics at a national level.
I have very little interest other than local. In fact I think at local level it has less to do with politics these days and more to do with who you get on with as to which party you join, or that's what seems to happen here.

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In the rough and tumble of combative political debate a great many things are said that are not necessarily accurate or personally affirmative. A quick mouthing of "silly cow" and the suggestion that one could barely string together coherent sentence seems to me pretty much low grade banter. As members well know I have no partiular liking for the leader of the council, but I must say that all this strikes me as very much a storm in an egg cup. A great deal of time and not a little public money has been expended on this petulant complaint. I am not surprised that the Standards Board has thrown it out.

If Cllr McCormack is going to take umbrage at every percieved sleight then perhaps it is time that she considered whether a life in local politics is really her forte; either that or toughen up and learn to give as good as she gets.

As for Britcliffe, one would have thought that a man in his position would know how to behave in public. That he so very clearly does not, points, yet again, to his unsuitability for the job.

Neither of the principals in this affair come out of it very well but, as usual, it is the borough that will suffer by being saddled with a council which, rather than getting on with the job they were elected to perform, prefer to squabble and fight like cats in a bag. And then, they have the gall to wonder that people do not want to become engaged with politics.

I despair!

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big deal... some over the hill fat faced remedial speaks its mind ... whats wrong with that? when people call for the sacking of anyone who speaks his (or her) mind it goes to show how thick the complainers are! we cant tell the truth.. we cant smoke
we cant say ****... or queer .. or bellittle anyone for offending these incredibly retarded idiots who complain about what others say, yet in reality its the complainers who should be stood on like the cockroaches they are.... people who complain of others social etiquette hide even bigger sins
and just to throw off any suspicion , try to look like a good person by objecting to anything that can be referred to as "offensive" very sad and pretentious...

these peoples judgements are worthless, even GOD doesnt judge on
what is said, he judges on what has been DONE, this means that if it was up to the ill informed low esteemed tards to force conformity onto us, eventually they would have
to sack and condemn themselves too because if everyone had a vioce recorder permenantly switched on, i will guarantee 100% that everyone will say something others
will find offensive, and in perspective to their tiny egos...will have signed their own death warrant, and lets speak the truth here, thats a very retarded thing to do.

I too would like to know how the patter went because if she wasnt what he said then why didnt she come back with a better
retort ...was it because the fat old fart had a piont?

In order to give perfect judgement one thing is paramount, the TRUTH ...
if the truth offends you , your not as smart as your delusion makes you beleive...
communication will lead to world peace and restore harmony to the universe
shutting people up and oppressing opinions that dont agree with you will
result in global war ... and considering all the information i hold regarding the eventual
downfall and rapture of every living thing on earth i think that to condemn a man for speaking his mind (NO MATTER HOW SENILE HE IS) is pure evil, and evil is pure DUMB

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Having been involved in politics for a very long time, although not now, I have to say shillelagh that unfortunately you can't really pick and choose, sins at Westminster come back to haunt local politicians. Back in 1990 I was totally against the poll tax, but it made no difference locally, politicians are tared with the same brush both locall and nationally, which I am sure even Cllr Graham Jones will agree with. I have often been of the opionion, that local services would be far better if they were not based on a political bias, but unfortunatley this will never happen. Because people are Labour or Tory should make no difference, for I have often subscribed to the fact that there are people on all sides of the political divide who have something to offer. Now I am out of it, and I mean well out of it, I can sit back and say anything I want. So I will make a sweeping statement, if Cllrs Jones and Britcliffe could bury the hatchet (and not in each others heads) Hyndburn would be the big winner, but I'm not holding my breath, because there is so much bitter personal hatred between them the hatchet in he scull is favourite:D

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And this from someone who has called people "idiots" and worse on this forum for daring to disagree with him!

As for whether or not people "switch off" to my contributions, I really wouldn't know as I can't read the minds of other Accywebbers. Possibly, you, Graham, are gifted with a higher power!

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I have many opinions Wynonie which I air on here almost every day. If I choose not to air an opinion on a subject it is usually because I either have no opinion at all, or I can see both sides of the argument in which case posting would be arguing against myself or simply because it's none of your business.

I'm not sure what you hope to achieve by continually pressing for my views on everything the Labour party has ever done. Are my views to you so important that they would affect the way you think of things - of course not! So why does it matter?

I have never claimed to be the oracle for the Labour party in the area, I only express my own opinion! If I don't have one then I can't be forced into creating one just for your satisfaction.


But just for you, Wynonie, here are links to threads where I have expressed an opinion.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...mps-36873.html

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ncy-36871.html

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...aim-36687.html

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ins-36750.html

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ict-31337.html

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...m-p-36502.html


All of these are posts that are about national or local politics and on all of them I express an opinion.
Is that enough for you or would you like me to find some more?

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that is the nail hit squarely on the head, also the reason i ceased going their meetings 30 odd yrs ago,nothing changes,mainly silly people full of their own self-importance.:rolleyes:

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I my experience it is useless trying to change anyones opinion, where a political view is held. For instance it is futile for anyone canvasing to knock on a door which has, say a Labour or Conservative poster in the window, although I have sometimes just called on Tory voters just so we don't take them for granted. But say for me to call on a known labour supporter would be daft or the other way round. A young eager campaigner was once on the knocker with me and said he was going to try and change someones mind, so I let him, half an hour latter he had no success, I then informed him he had just lasted very valuable time, I doubt if he's done it since.;)

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Yes, I am aware of your posts on all these issues, Gayle, and, as you know I gave you positive karma for one of them. However, it seems to me that when the big issues of the day like the government's policies on law & order or the invasion of Iraq are discussed, you don't seem to want to contribute your views.

I would also like to point out that the reason I'm so eager to hear your views is that, although I don't always agree with them, I find your opinions thoughtful, insightful and interesting. There have even been occasions where you've made me reconsider my own position - surely the mark of a skilled debater.

But you're right, I can't force you to give your views and, as I'm obviously getting on your nerves, this is my last word on the subject and I shall pester you for your opinions no more!

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It is a churlish and petty insult, but I wonder what name he would have used if the councillor had been male?

Never mind slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, it just sounds terribly camp to me, having more in common with Larry Grayson, that the quick political wit of Winston Churchill.

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Yes, was very camp Garinda .. didn't like to say that myself for fear of offending... :rolleyes:

Thought just tactics .. you know, the old joke when people are just about to hit a golf ball and your opponent farts or summat to put you off your stroke .. :)

Think Wynonie and Gayle ought to get a room ! Although Gayle .. he does appear to stalk you quite a lot ..:eek:

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Why have none of the witnesses to this tawdry insult come forward and shown this (petty) man up for what he is?
Surely they can't all be subject to a gagging order. If I had heard him say something like that and then he had denied it I would be telling anyone who would listen.....the fact that he has been accused of such a thing does nothing for his credibility.

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http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...w-32150-2.html

Comment on Iraq!

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Alright, Gayle, you win! Now let me go back to the pub and brood about Stanley!

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Looks like she's a closet Tory Wynonie.:D:D

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I get called worse. At the last Tory election meeting (The Monday Club) the first topic was me! That's life. You have to be held accountable.

My real issue with this is denial afterwards. If it was a one off, ok fine I can live and forget about it. If there was doubt because no-one was present fine.

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my issue is the petty squabbling that has always gone on n will never stop,that stops people taking an interest n its ALL parties, normally moderates feel like, i aint gonna say owt cos of the gob heads, n that is applicable to many meetings,not just council. having been guilty myself of being a gob head long ago, i defy you to say this is wrong.

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Some people enter local politics for the betterment of their community -- some just do it for the prestige and power.
It is up to us to decide their motives when we vote.
None of them are in it for the allowances - thats for sure :D

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Another cheap dig, although I do not share Mr Jones politics, here in the peel ward we are very happy with him in regards to his work as our local councillor, I just wish he would stick to what he is good at.

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gone again,how strange.:rolleyes:

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Ok are you happy or not?;)
My opinion is he was better until he became leader of the local labour party.

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To be honest I’ve had no involvement with the man, apart from his 2007 Christmas Newsletter.

There was a comment in there stating that “With the Police we have reduced the nuisance/ball games outside the SPAR thoug it is an ongoing problem. With Police help, young people have been issued with new soft ball that don’t damage cars.” (The typo’s are the newsletters not mine.) Hardly a hard stance on crime, glad they weren’t shooting each other, the cops may have had to issue them with rubber bullets.

Irrespective of that just making the point that maybe “we” are not all happy with him.

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LOL - politics is all about compromise ---which satisfies neither side

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Mmmm .. could have sworn I had just mentioned I heard this to nearly 12,000 members registered on this site.. :rolleyes:

Why do most people on here knock the Councillors all the time (Ok.. have a right to do so) .. thing is when you criticize, then you have to have an alternative plan, so what does anybody suggest then ?

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was wonderin that meself:confused:do not "get" why you have to have an alternative to slag em, ya just need a because.

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To Borough Councillors and the whole system, voted by the people, etc.

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ya dont need an alternative, ya just need em to act responsibly n work together.:rolleyes: still can see why yer saying n alternative.;)

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Well, you yourself said you had given up with them 30 years ago (going to council meetings) .. is that not a negative statement in itself that all Councillors are a waste of space. That is the opinion that always seems to come across to me, so OK maybe not an alternative, but what would be your grand plan on getting them to 'work together'. Am only just learning myself on all this, but only very rarely do I detect any support for them.

I know lots feel this new grading of 'Excellence' is a laugh a minute, but do think that over the past few years a big effort has been made to improve the town and secure its future by further projects. It could not have moved up this way with them not co-operating vastly with each other.

This thread is just a little aside to the bigger picture and an attempt by Graham Jones to keep meetings on at least a civil level without personal insults.

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i know all councillors are "NOT" a waste of time,that is not my beef,never will be,what i am saying is you can never get em all to work together, sad but true, ya will learn that if you keep going to em, you may view that as negative, your right, i view it as fact.;)

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The socially concious ones will never get on with the power hungry ones
We just need to vote off the second type when we recognise them

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So what if he called her a silly cow? He's human and lives in the north, we all say horrible things like that at times, its in the blood. Everyone gets wound up at times and she obviously said something to get a reaction out of him.

I'm sure she wont lose any sleep over being called a silly cow in public, and I'm sure everyone has heard the phrase before.

Is it shocking because he's a representative of the people? We have politicians who are rude to eachother all the time in parliament, and shout NAAAAAAAAY at eachother when they don't agree, even if the politician is still speaking. Hardly good manners is it but thats just the way it is.

She probably was being a silly cow :D

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Ok, wasn't meant personal to your goodself Cashy and willing to listen to views .. suppose we are just a country that doesn't give much praise when it is due .. only criticism.

Blazey: Actually I don't think the Cllr had said anything much before he made this remark. Agree this is what happens in Parliament too, however, everybody missing the point here, he denied saying it ... Ok perhaps he forgot is the best excuse I can allow him.. :(. Like I said storm in a teacup and just made me laugh at the time, did not make me gasp with shock, just thought was all part of the banter. Do think that the Mayor could have stepped in though and asked him for an apology of some sort, as she could have easily retaliated and got into a real slanging match, but was said in a light hearted sort of way, not aggresively.

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I don't really think it matters that much if he denied saying it. If anything it just shows he wasn't meaning it as maliciously as some people seem to be assuming.

I love the guy though so I am biased. I think the sun shines out of his backside. Even if he is a bit porky.

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There's a code of conduct that councillors are supposed to follow, they're not supposed to act like this in full council. One of ours did the same down here and it got a full investigation. He was found to be in the wrong and got a telling off but at worst they can be removed from the position.
The man is being an idiot giving the opposition ammunition if he's attacking her every meeting, and by using sex specific remarks he's bordering on having a sexual harassment claim against him.
Didn't I read also that some failed to declare an interest recently?

I find these meetings most interesting, the logic councillors use if they're in it for the power glory n cash can be hilarious.

Re: "Silly Cow" Clr Britcliffe
 

I think the answer is have a do yourself, but before you do, ask yourself one question, "would I work for me?" if the aswere is NO give it up as a bad job, because me is Joe Public, and you can never satisfy the general public all the time especially when you have a duel party system, half of the popultion are going to be upset by the other half, so its a no win situation

Re: "Silly Cow" Clr Britcliffe
 

Re: "Silly Cow" Clr Britcliffe
 

well if it dont matter much,i suggest yer training for the wrong job.:rolleyes:

Re: "Silly Cow" Clr Britcliffe
 

I have said it before and I will say it again, Britcliffe is a liability. He should have been voted out at the last opportunity, and would have been, had he not bought off his constituents with empty promises and a cheap illustrated calendar ( a pity that Gayle is too principled to stoop so low, or lower).

Re: "Silly Cow" Clr Britcliffe
 

When I'm in support of him I think it's my place to stand by his denial :p otherwise I'd be a hypocrite. Of course if I was in support of the silly cow I would have to disagree with him and rant about it like everyone else. She could've been a silly cow for all I care though, and she more than likely is for choosing HER job. Politics is no place for a woman.

Except maybe Thatcher, she seemed powerful and had back bone, even if she was a bit crappy :p

Re: "Silly Cow" Clr Britcliffe
 

I was one of the people in the public gallery, who saw the incident. PB did call Cllr McCormack a silly cow. It might be interesting to find out exactly, what else he is lying about.

(I have not been on Accy web for several days, otherwise I would have posted earlier).

Maybe you agreeing with his denial, shows that you will suopport anything anyone says, just to prove they are innocent. typical lawyer.

As for your attitude that politics is no place for a woman, I suppose you think that women should not have the vote either. Personally I can't see why the law is ok for a woman but not politics.

But then I forgot you are studying law.

Re: "Silly Cow" Clr Britcliffe
 

So pleased you have turned up Claytonender .. wondered where you were...phew ... was beginning to think that I may have imagined it at the end of the day, but you more versed in these matters than I am, so feeling a little more confident in my memory now.. :)

Re: "Silly Cow" Clr Britcliffe
 

thank you :D