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It appears that the influx of Polish workers has opened up a new cash cow at our expence. Poles who have come to work in ths country have claimed £28 million in child benefits, for kids not living in this country, courtesy of the EU rules which allowes migrant workers to claim the benefit. Beam me up Scotty:eek::mad:

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i dont think thats fair at all, if i was to move back to spain i would not have the cheek of claim benefits if im not in the country, disgusting this is:mad:http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/i...ons/icon13.gif

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I seem to remember talking about this before, Jaysay.

It seems ludicrous to me that Polish people working in England can claim child benefit for their children who are living at home in Poland.

I suppose it also means that if we went to work in Poland we would be able to claim child benefit for our children in England but I don't suppose that's happening very often.

Child benefit in any country should just be for children living in that country.

The whole child benefit system is silly to me anyway. It should be means tested. Anyone with a child gets it at present. This means that we are paying child benefit to Madonna, Victoria Beckham, Davina McCall etc.

I bet they don't even notice whether it has gone in or not.:(

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The whole child benefit system is silly to me anyway. It should be means tested. Anyone with a child gets it at present. This means that we are paying child benefit to Madonna, Victoria Beckham, Davina McCall etc.

I bet they don't even notice whether it has gone in or not.:([/quote]


I very much doubt that they are claimming benefits:D

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I very much doubt that they are claimming benefits:D[/quote]

Anyone with a child is eligible for child benefit. The only criteria is that you have a child so they will have been given the forms to fill in like everyone else when they gave birth. This should not happen in my opinion.

We don't know whether they actually filled the forms in but they shouldn't be handed them in the first place.

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I would love to hear the views of the idiots in the Stanley section who recently attempted to slag me off, please try to defend this story.

Racist my arse this is about looking after our own people first.

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Doesn't surprise me but it does anger me.
No wonder every Tom,Dick and Harry wants to come to Britain.

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http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...and-33702.html

all been said here as well ........

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I didn't know there was already a thread on this issue, as My account was suspended at the time

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ya must be a right bad buggar then.:D;)

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I don't think it's a bad thing. Polish people come to work here so they can have a better life, and if they cant afford to bring their children over or dont want their children here, then whats so bad about them just sending the money back to their families? They'll pay tax just like everyone else.

If it's more a whinge about the country forking out to children that are no benefit to them, well true they are not going to be our future doctors, teachers etc, but if the polish people, or any other nationality, was only able to have CB for their children if they were in this country and had to bring them over, a lot more money would be being spent on their children via schools, health care, and when they're educated there would be nothing stopping them just leaving the country. I think this way is actually LIGHTER on the pocket.

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i reckon what most folk are bitching about is these people that come here have paid NOTHING into our system, they should not be entitled to child benifit, our system should benifit peoples childeren who are born here,is that so unreasonable to you?:rolleyes:

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I think if somebody hasn't paid in to our tax system yet then I guess they couldn't really care less what happens to it. :rolleyes:

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Well the EU works both ways, if we wanted to go to an EU country and have access to their benefits and work in their countries then we could. I hate to slag off the Polish people when they generally have such a good work ethic, and they work so much harder than me and for so much less. I like that their children can have a better life in their own country for the sacrifice of a parent.

Maybe I don't think it's bad because I haven't had to work all my life yet like some people on this forum, maybe its because I as a student depend on benefits so I would be saddened if I was stripped of my funding?

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Yet again it's turned in to a me me me thread by Blazey. Nobody was on about funding for students !

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i aint slagging polish people i'm slagging the system that allows this,obviously beyond you.:rolleyes:

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Oh and I have paid taxes through working, particularly through emergency tax and being new to work I had no idea how to claim it back, so I care where tax money goes more than anyone if I depend on it! I don't want to see it wasted on Gorddon Browns new motor when it could've been spent on more books for the library and better resources. I just don't mind it going to someone needy I guess.

Would you be bitter if it went to Africa? They don't contribute AT ALL to our system, yet I don't think many people would care about throwing money at them? I think most people would be in uproar if I complained about sending money to charities in third world countries, yet it doesnt benefit our country to do it so why bother if thats the case? Isn't that what the problem is with sending tax payers money to kids in poland? doesn't benefit us so dont do it.

Sending chavs to school wastes money when they come out with no qualifications, should we test everyone before they enter high school and if they fail then not bother wasting money on them because they'll never benefit the country? Why not just shove them into a factory?

That's not democratic is it?

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It wasn't aimed directly at you.

I dont think there is anything wrong with the system. I can think of many more things that annoy me regarding tax payers money and this isn't one of them.

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you do come out with utter crap sometimes, the threads about child benifits for Poles,which are sent to another country cos they dont live here.:rolleyes:never thought it was directly at me.

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Yes and basically what I was saying is that I will not complain about Poles and the benefits they get because it's none of my business, as although I have paid taxes before, I have depended on them so much more with being a student, and whilst I care about where money goes, because the more that gets pumped into my education the better, I would feel I was being spiteful to try and deny benefits to the children of people who are working hard and paying taxes in this country.

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I disagree with you about their work ethic. They come here and work but they don't spend the money here, they send as much back to Poland as they can. I believe they are a drain to the Country not an asset. If they were not working here maybe we could force more people from this Country to work by making it a condition of benefits payments.

As far as being able to claim for people not living here that is crazy.

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So you are disagreeing with my comment about their work ethic just because of how they spend their money...

In that case I will put my nazi head on and complain about the jews whilst I get the opportunity, because they're gold hoarders too.

I used to work with a British old man who sent every penny he earnt to Thailand to his thai wife, who he saw about once a year. He had no children with her.

I don't care how people spend their money, because if I tried to make sure everyone spent their money in the countries interests I'd be attempting something very futile and stupid.

I'm not going to reply again because I've said how I feel about this topic and i'm not going to change my mind on it, and I dont care about anyone elses opinion because we are in UK and your opinion doesn't matter to the current government, so its just tough isn't it?

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I'd be asking the question "how do we know all these children actually exist ? " its not like you have to take them down to the tax/benefits office and get a number tattooed on them , and I'm sure Polish and other countries birth certificates are unforgable :confused: :confused:

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Trust me blazey you will care when u work and u realise that people that dont leave on uk are getting money, this is nothing about ur fundings for university is about us taxpayers complaining about polish people getting money for people who dont live in uk
Like i said before, if i moved to spain i would not have the cheek to claim benefits from another country

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I'd have no problem with a thread about that, in fact it's the only sentence that you have written that actually interests me.

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:D[quote=cashman;542683]you do come out with utter crap sometimes,








SOMETIMES:rolleyes::rolleyes:???????????????;):D

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If some of the people on the forum had it their way you would never have been allowed into this country. I imagine you would send money to your children if they couldn't live with you in the country?

If it was a case of people working here and sending money to independent people in the country then I may care, but its to children. Why does money have to stay within a country?

We pay tax to help needier people like the ill, the disabled, the homeless, why not to help people in other countries too?

I'm 19 so tax has always been around as far as I can remember, so obviously I'm not going to feel hard done by about where the money goes, it's always been misused. As for people saying 'well wait until you work', well I have worked, and I've paid tax, and I still don't care, because at the end of the day, i'm claiming more than any polish person is for their children back home, so it's being put to good use for me AS WELL.

Blame the government, but don't spite someone just because they're claiming something for their family that they're entitled to.

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You're right there. Certain people such as non residents and multi-millionaires should not be given the chance to claim child benefit. If the system allows them to claim then they're going to, aren't they? It's the government's fault.

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omg i agree with something Blazey said.... has hell frozen over??











** Em thinks she can see 4 horsemen over the horizon!

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Oh well, good job you didn't make a promise :)

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Well damn me to hell for having the same opinion as someone else... after all I have only been repeating the same point the entire time and only managed to make it clear that final time :rolleyes:

:dflam:

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well I had something to clarify. this forum does really annoy me and there are many times I have considered leaving but I was asked to stay and not let the idiots get me down, so stay I will.

What's your opinion on the issue? Do you have one or did you join in just to take a stab at me?

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I have to have something to make me laugh otherwise it would be a dull life ;)

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Why not start a thread on it and find out then.

I for one don't think we should send a penny abroad to anywhere at the moment.

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I'm not really interested because I cant be bothered giving an opinion on Africa. It was just an example of a situation where money is spent on foreign countries that gives no benefit back to us

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This is just same old same old.
As Ive said before nothing will ever change until us the British public make a stand against a tin pot government that lets all and sundry drain our resorces.
Ive nothing against poles but i do have a gripe against them or anyone else coming and claiming what is rigtfully ours and should be used to benefit our own.
This government is too quick too support the dregs of other countries leading to poverty of our own . its time to get a grip IMO.

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I have a question to put to you.

Not all soldiers in the British Army are actually british, there are men from all different nationalities. If two men, one british born, and one polish soldier, where both fighting as british soldiers where injured in battle, say they lost limbs and had to be brought back home, to Britain, would you think only the british born soldier is entitled to compensation and disability pay?

Because technically, the polish soldier would be working in the country just as any other polish worker, and then if injured he'd claim from our benefit system, which is 'claiming what is rightfully ours', just like the Polish workers who are claiming child benefit... which I should add is RIGHTFULLY theirs too.

So would you support a polish soldier then? Or would he be just as much a burden as these other workers?

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How many Polish are in our armed forces these days, its not 1942 you know.

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After a quick google the only thing I can find out about Polish in the British army is they use it to clean their boots :confused:

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It was an example, i dont know if there are any polish people in the british army but there certainly are many other nationalities!

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the answer is No , because any person wearing the uniform of any country other than his own is a mercenary , for all the awe and veneration that the British hold for the Ghurkas they are in fact Mercenaries (national of a foriegn country ) the Poles and French who served so well in the Royal Air Force during the Battle of Britain (WW2 ) were in fact members of their own Govt. in exile forces seconded to the RAF and wore their own national patchs.

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I just wonder if there is any kind of child benefit in Poland or is that these people can claim when in ths country just becuse we do have it. I think i've mntioned before that I worked with a German many years ago who was claiming for children in Germany, this guy never sent a penny home. It seems that these EU laws which we have to adhere to hardly effect anybody else because we don't go to work in these countries

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Thanks bonnyboy, but I bet they don't get as much in their country as they do here:(

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They should be paid at the same rate as they would be in Poland.If they are to be paid at all.

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Interesting point that - do you also think they should pay the same tax and receive the same in other benefits as they would if they worked in Poland?

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They should get no benefits because they shouldn't be here. There are enough UK workers unemployed who should be taking the jobs that the poles are currently filling, we have enough spongers here already who should be made to fill the vacancies.

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I meant the benefit rate for children living in Poland.Not the pay rate for working here.

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I intend starting a Bagpuss for PM campaign - it is refreshing to see common sense spoken so plainly.

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Common sense and Neil don't usally appear in the same sentance:p:D

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And how would you define an "Englishman"

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Like stated its highly unlikely you will find a polish person fighting in the british army unless they were actually born here, as every soldier has to swear an allegience (sp) to the queen. Any lad or lassie fighting for this country would be entitled to whatever is on offer, after all they put their life on the line for us. therefore I would support anyone who has the bottle to do that for me.
The Polish that are claiming child benefit for children that are not resident in this country is NOT RIGHTFULLY THEIRS and are draining resources that could be going to other worthy causes of our own.

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That's easy - Me;):)

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I can’t be arsed with the benefits system in this bloody country, I came out of work in August last year through no fault of my own, yet because I work and paid in to an Health Service pension scheme 20 years ago and my partner receives a pittance for providing her mother with 40 hours worth of care I can’t claim Any Benefits…for my self or my family. I’m sick of the government and those who come to this country and are able to get anything they want. I lost my job because I wouldn’t put vulnerable people at risk.

Because I was sick of working for money grabbing bastards I set up my own business I couldn’t get government funding because I don’t qualify, I have had to put a second charge against my house as a result I am another £30K in debt and my moneys running out, but can I get any financial support from my government? No I don’t qualify, why? Because I’ve not spent years on the ****ing dole or I’m not an immigrant. I have worked for 34 years, I’ve always paid my NI and Tax and I get **** all for it. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not bitter; some of these immigrants will become my employees and I will be successful and I will expand my business over the coming years and I will pay my dues to those arseholes at Westminster. I’m just sick of the attitude in this country that it’s alright to forget our own or those who put themselves out for or before others

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Probably not

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What ??? :confused:

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Can i vote this as the most random post?

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What I mean to say is that most people who think they are English are more likely to be a mixture of any number of sauces be it Celtish or European.Maybe even Polish- but never the less a mixture

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So what, so I'm an English mixture as you say, I still think the poles should pee off back to Poland and repay any benefits they have received while they where here.

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No point trying to change the mind of a racist,though I don't understand your obsession with Poles try and broaden your horizons.

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True..........I myself am a right Celt...:D






ok, so there's a touch of Norse on my mothers side......:o

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I don't have a problem with Polish people visiting the UK and spending their money but I do have a problem with them coming here and getting benefits, taking jobs that could be done by our own people, draining our health service and schools, do I need to go on?

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Funnily enough I applied for a job a few weeks back and guess what ? It was given to a polish guy with little experience . So please wheres the justice.

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I'll give you one......do you drive

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And for the record I have no problems with poles . I was actualy very pleasant to the guy and im working with him on a project at the moment. But It does go to show that most of us want to work and would if there were more vacancies . Our problem and quite rightly so is we want a fair wage and decent conditions

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:eek:Doug hunni i hope you mean job lolx (just kidding )

Thanks hun but have made alternative plans now:)

Hows it all going for you by the way ?

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Scary........I'll tell you sometime. :)

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Still don't understand the obsession with Poles-What about Rumanians Greeks Italians French Germans Spanish the list is endless-one thing in common they're all European and like it or not we are stuck with it so get a life and move on.

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I fancy myself as a bolognaise mixed with bechamel :rolleyes:

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No we are not stuck with it. In the end it will come down to which Government will stop all this nonsense or I believe the people will.

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im a mixture:D.....half mancunian, and half haptonain.....:D:D...Hehhee

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Now that is a mix panther, but which is the dominant part:D

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thats nearly half a Dingle.:eek::eek::eek:

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ya cheeky git!!!Attachment 11075

what is it with some people on ere, they infatuated with dingles....LOL

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Jealousy :D

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:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:I'd rather boil my bollocks in sheeps pee. :D

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It’s not infatuation Panther, It’s the nasty taste left by Bob the Butcher and the mistrust born of broken promises. These buggers will tell you that their your friends then roger you for behind and run off with you pants.

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I think the poles are more welcome on here than people from Burnley. :rolleyes:

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I have a brother and a sister in Burnley; I love them deeply and would defend them to the death, that aside the dingles are distinctly deferent from the Poles in that the Poles didn’t sell us down the river. :rolleyes:

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Swamp Donkeys n monsters from the crypt are more welcome than dingles.:tongueout:D

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Watch it cashy the dingles will be sticking a club foot up at you if you keep slagging them of:D

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Well I'm glad I come from such a lesser town than our superior neighbours in Accrington & Blackburn. I can be pleased I turned out okay with all the disadvantages I must have faced being born there, there must be generations of old Accringtonians & Blackburnians turning in their graves thinking of how they set up such a class environment and it all went so horribly wrong :D

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hope ya touched yer forelock n bowed as ya said that.:D

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With all six fingers on each hand :p

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pmsl, well that put a dampener on the dingle convo

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It might have onlyme, but we can soon open it up again:rolleyes::D

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Not at all, it does not matter what happens in the future we will still take the pee out of our Burnley friends.

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Who needs enemies when you can join Accyweb instead :tongueout

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When you are a football supporter it is best to keep your mouth shut and let people think you are a pillock -than to open it and remove all reasonable doubt

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ya mean like you just have? its a bit of knockabout fun between folk who know one another.:D:rolleyes:

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My fault I thought I'd logged in to the serious discussion forum please accept my apology.:tongueout

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This is AccyWeb, we don't do serious.

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You still dont get it, im not bothered about people coming in this country and earning money to send to their families abroad, nothing against that, what bothers me is people who comes to this country and is allowed to claim benefits for kids THAT ARE NOT LIVING IN THIS COUNTRY

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Oh an by the way blazey, im half english so there is nothing this people would of done to stop me coming into this country, i've had a british passport since i was born in ibiza always had it, my mums side of the family is british

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Graham Jones does Neil:D

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Not all the time, sometimes he talks about Politics :rolleyes::D

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yeh we do,what about the over 18s section, its for us grown ups.:D