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The daily fail has come out and said that "Scientists show cannabis TRIPLES psychosis risk: Groundbreaking research blames 'skunk' for 1 in 4 of all new serious mental disorders"
Scientists show cannabis TRIPLES psychosis risk: Groundbreaking research blames 'skunk' for 1 in 4 of all new serious mental disorders* | Daily Mail Online



I like a herbal cig from time to time,it has many positive medicinal effects as well as being a fun for recreational purposes (imo).
The lengths taken to demonise cannabis because it can't be profitable for Big Pharma is both absurd and hilarious. Scientists being paid to reach a foregone conclusion isn't a new thing.....


....Then again, Perhaps I'm just in denial and I don't want to hear the truth.

http://m.northdevonjournal.co.uk/Can...ail/story.html

Cannabis and mental health

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We have been down this road many many times...the scenery is no different.
I think your last observation is probably true......denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

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Perhaps your right,I'm still in two minds about it M (pun intended).

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Here we go again ... more Reefer Madness:rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM_vLk1I6G4

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There is a lot of Cannabis out there, even in the 'skunk' form(they word that so loosely its absolutely pathetic) for want of a better term that is is not as nature intended . Humans experiment creating hybrid seeds, making oils and other things that can be done to make a lot of cannabis into a small amount to make it a hell of a lot stronger( though the worse cannabis ever is the solid form that isn't strong at all and the dangers of smoking it is what they put in it to make it solid IE PLASTIC, CRAP, BEESWAX, ETC) who knows there could be some truth to the psychotic mental illness stuff.

I knew. I just knew when I saw the Cannabis thread alive and well it would be you bringing up this news story. I saw it this morning.
I have a friend, who now (or believes) is rastafari. He also believes it is a conspiracy(BABYLON) amongst other things. Perhaps he smoked too much and now has Psychosis

There is some interesting information on the cancer research about cannabis.

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Unhealthy additives to the "solid form", "super skunk" ,"high levels of THC" or "not as nature intended".... Aren't these just direct consequences of cannabis being illegal? Surely in a legal,regulated market the levels of THC could be controlled and therefore be less of a 'risk'.

It's just nonsense,propaganda or "conspiracy" if you like ,there is no real link (not really) between cannabis and psychosis.
I'm sorry,but it is fairly well known that many folk with mental health problems, who experiance psychosis actually self medicate with the use of cannabis.

I also know a number of plastic rasta's in Accrington,Maybe one of them is your friend :)

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I wonder what other drugs these people with psychosis have taken
Oh he lives in Blackburn now

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There is a good chance things like amphetamine,LSD and cocaine are on the list.

I know as a "drug user" that the strains/types I buy range from weak leafs and stems to high grade (f1) highbred buds,It would be too difficult to conduct a accurate analyse of cannabis users and mental health issues (psychosis) without it being conducted and in a controlled environment.

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The only two plastic rasta's I know from Accy that live in Blackburn have the initials M E and C H :)

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Neither of those

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Those that I knew in the past that were drug users that suffered from psychosis were all amphetamine users

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It has all been said before and it sounds suspiciously like justification to me...yes, I DO know I am a cynical old bat!

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Jason if you are happy using whatever kind of drugs you use, then that is fine.......but it is unwise to promote the use of such things to others.

Just because you have no problems...or at least none that you are willing to admit to, doesn't mean others who may use such things will be the same.

The medicinal use of cannabis is a different ball game altogether......and trials have been going on for different conditions for a long time.
It is good to know that cannabis may be added to the armoury of drugs that can be used to combat various cancers......the use of cannabinoids in such situations is closely monitored by medical professionals.

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If he aint got problems, i'm a dutchman.:rolleyes:

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If you're a dutchman perhaps you can sort him some :hehetable

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I'm sure you of all folk are aware It's nothing to do with being in 'the Nile' M.
Personally,I used cannabis for a number of years and have known quite a few folk of who have also used it,I'd hazard a guess (or assume) that a lot of these folk that are commenting (up and down the country) on this topic have little to no 'personal experience' whatsoever.
This latest report and the use of the crass keyword 'Skunk' is just fear ingesting propaganda and it's all part of the distract and confuse agenda ;)

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While I have not used any recreational drugs myself, because of the work I was involved in for a quarter of a century...I came into contact with many people who did.
I also looked after patients who were on clinical trials of medical cannabinoids....the trials were lengthy and very involved.

Even if the risk of mental I'll health was less than 1% I would not be keen to take that risk.
Life is my drug of choice.

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And your reply still has the whiff of justification.
The report is not to distract or cause confusion, it is a study conducted by eminent psychiatrists at Kings College Hospital in order to inform of the risks.......So are you saying that you are more learned than them in this issue....that your drug use qualifies you to refute their findings?

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Skunk is so named because of it's smell being likened to that of the animal. Dealers love the name because it gives it the "bad-ass" cachet.

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Reports can be skewed for purpose of choice.I'm prepared to accept the 'truth', and that is, cannabis is bad for 'some' but fact remains millions of folk use cannabis and a yes a tiny (very tiny) proportion might get some kind of negative mental reaction like psychosis.

Cannabis has lots of health benefits in addition to the above , Plus,as far as I kbow, no one has died from a cannabis overdose. It also has a lot of positive effects to the mind too (creativity, relaxation)......

....Also a increased sense of well being, an enhance humour :D

I may seem like I'm trying to justifie my drug use....I can assure you I am not.
Cannabis isn't bad for everyone,overall I believe Cannabis is very good for some regardless of what fearnongering the Kings college,MSN or the BBC have to say.

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Im not sure when you last went to see a "dealer" but I've found they tend to use the specific strain ie white widow,haze,blueberry.

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Hazarding a guess isn't the same as having proof, plenty have tried it and said, no thank you not for me, plenty more have tried it and said, 'Why is this dick head always bringing the worst example, (i.e. himself)' into criticism and not keeping his gob shut?
I know several people that use weed etc. they, don't need to brag or bring it to the attention of others, they are happy man, just cool out I'll rant tomorrow.
:joint:

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It's about time you guys caught up with the colonies;)

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Do you have any proof or are you assuming? .. please refrain from using profanity as this is a child friendly forum :joint:

I know several people that drink in the railway ...they feel the need to brag and bring it to the attention of others too.
I'm not sure if their happy though.... i know at least one of them that sulks that much Walt Disney would struggle making him look happy :rolleyes:....


.... i look forward to your "rant later" hopefully you've not been on the pop beforehand :D

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Usually when the USA breaks wind the UK gets a bowel movement so perhaps it won't be (too) long before we see it decriminalised over here :)

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Jason, I know that research can be flawed(I spent most of my working life in a profession that required practice to be research based)...but I have to say that I would put more faith in the research of the scientists at KCH than someone who is biased because they are a user of the stuff.
Who knows how your use of this substance has affected your thought processes.

You say that no-one has died as a result of overdosing on cannabis......that may be true, but many lives have been detrimentally affected by the use of this substance.......and lives have been lost as a possible side effect of the use of this drug.....through overdosing on stronger more powerful drugs which cannabis users have graduated to.

Decriminalising this drug may create many more problems than it solves, it will not wipe out the dealers, there will always be those who are ready to make money out of the people who wish to retreat from life by using illegal substances.

We have had this discussion so many times in the past. I have said these things before and I think it is time to lay this subject to rest.....so my input ends here.

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Potentially its worse because those dealers that only sell cannabis will either quit dealing or move onto selling the next drug and I can't think of any other illegal drug that is 'safe' worse they will most likely move onto selling legal highs in higher quantities than you can buy for the same price in shops.

Not sure about that. :) its what I was alluding to in my initial reply. "Skunk" can be applied to every gram of cannabis that is in bud form. But cannabis has countless variety and odd names.
Tell you though it does stink. When I was younger(and stupid-of course) I had a bag under my mattress the next day my whole room stank, and the entire hallway. I was crapping my pants at the time as I didn't want my parents to smell it.

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Skunk cannabis is a strain of the plant-based drug known as marijuana. The term 'skunk' refers to the strong smelling odour, similar to that of the animal skunk. According to Wiki. ;)

In some countries, such as the UK, the term ‘skunk’ no longer necessarily refers to a specific strain but is a general term which refers to good quality marijuana of perhaps unknown genetic origin. Young people in several countries are increasingly calling their home-grown ganja ‘skunk’.

What is skunk? | Grow Info | Dutch Passion

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The proof is in every one of your posts.



Dick head is not a profanity it is an accurate description.
Inaccurate as usual, you don't know people that drink in the Railway, you know of, people that drink in the Railway.
Hardly what could be called bragging.

Of course you're not sure if they are happy, you don't know them.

You don't know any of them so how can you know if a Jew hater such as Walt Disney would make them happy or unhappy?

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^^^ is this the best you've got? ^^^^

I was looking forward to ripping your "rant" to bits but instead you give me more of your erroneous BS....I'm very disappointed :rolleyes:...

...In the past, I've been warned about calling members names (however accurate I believe they were) I hope this rule also goes for established members,perhaps it's time I take a leaf out of your book and start reporting your "personal attacks"? Hmmmm

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Agreed :)

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I was referring to Canada and the legal availability of medical pot ... However, for those few interested, two of our major parties are committed to changing the laws governing weed: the Liberal Party of Canada is in favor of legalization; the New Democrats (Labor) are in favor of decriminalization; and the tories, of course, want the death penalty for simple possession:D. Most tories are also opposed to gay marriage, abortion, welfare, an investigation into the murders of aboriginal women, increased benefits for veterans, higher taxes for the wealthy, environmental controls etc. And they don't believe that human activity has any effect on the environment, and that "climate change" is something thought up by pinko, leftist, egg-head scientists. They also want looser gun laws and a return of the death penalty ... which, in a weird way, makes a little, but not much, sense.:rolleyes:

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theres a new strain of medicinal pot that gives you the medical relief but none of the pleasure of smoking it

cant wait until it hits the market the pot heads faking illness to get pot prescriptions will be gutted

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Oh the irony….. a thread on cannabis aka “grass” and you threatening to grass Less up.
Mind you, you already have form sunshine after grassing me up on the “Today in Pictures” thread.
Your mind farts get more febrile and desperate day by day.

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Bit hypocritical calling me a grass, don't you think?
You couldn't wait to PM me and tell me personal info about a certain member (whoops there I go again).....


....as for the forum rules,there is a simple solution...Don't break them :rolleyes:

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You just broke one!

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ok if its about me then yes mine is quite big but iv seen bigger ones in black and i dont wash it as often as i should..

but thats enough gossip about my car

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I suppose its hard to be clever when yer dumb.

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Clutching at straws there our little bottom burper...n.b. The link to grass again. To paraphrase Stevie Smiths wonderful words " You are not waving but drowning"

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Dude seriously bad!!!!

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Yeh aint surprised are yeh?

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Relax (have a joint) Attachment 47181

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Just seen this interesting article (for those who are interested). Skunk's psychosis link is only half the cannabis story - health - 16 February 2015 - New Scientist

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Really? A herbal ciggie, an old school friends Mum used to smoke them as I recall & they smelt like a garden bonfire. Or is that just a euphemism for a little "Mary Jane"? Either way, it's not the smartest comment to make on the T'interweb, in fact, it's somewhat foolish really.

As to denial, anyone with an "addiction" to a substance of their choice that goes to extremes usually does tend to deny the inherent damage being caused by their "recreational usage". Whether that substance be booze, normal smokes, tabs & powders or illicit herbage it will have an effect on the individual, their families & those around them.

Now, if you can happily look yourself in the mirror & say that it's fine that your family & friends may be suffering due to your disregard of the consequences from your habit then you really are one sorry individual!

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i once tried to give up smoking by buying herbal ciggarettes from the health and herb stall in accy market

they were only 50p for 20 but there was a reason for that lol

i had to smoke 10 benson and hedges in a row to get the taste of them out of my gob so in effect they cause dme to smoke more

thankfully theres vaping now

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"Herbal cig" is a euphemism for a cannabis laced cigarette,I too recall someone smoking a proper herbal ciggie and your descrpition is very accurate :)

I don't want to promote the use of 'any' drugs but I see folk that drink (and boast) as taking a moral high ground because of the legality of alcohol.

In your opinion,Does the legality of the drug that could cause psychosis matter? Take caffeine,nicotine etc would you feel that they should be criminalised if they were proven to cause psychosis?

For the record,I have no problem looking in the mirror,,I don't see myself as having a addition to cannabis,I control the cannabis not the other way around.

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My opinion is irrelevant, the ruling powers & laws of the particular land decree what is or isn't admissible. Here in Germany there's zero tolerance on weed, yet an hour away over the border in Holland there are numerous "Coffee shops" where if I so wished I could partake of & purchase weed for my own use without worries, yet if I returned to Germany with only a couple of joints bought legally in Holland the GCP (German civil police) would nail my arse to the nearest wall.

UK has its rules & laws for a reason, whatever they may be or how they're applied is down to the enforcement agencies as directed by the law makers of & at the time. It really is that simple, regardless whether you, I or anyone else agrees or disagrees.

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Complete waste of time Dave, Trying to explain to him, First the capability to understand,he has to master.;)

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Cannabis grown here in the uk is now hybridised, grown under false lighting and fed with God knows what chems leading to THC levels being very high.With such high levels of THC there are going to be 'some' that have a bad mental reaction.
If it was decriminalised these levels could be regulated in a similar fashion to the way alcohol levels are.You could choose which strength you wanted and you wouldn't necessarily have to start off on the herbal equivalent of polish white spirits.
its hard for me to present a unbiased opinion on the interweb due to my personal experience with cannabis but I believe prohibition is part of the problem.

What I will say is,if anyone feels they are suffering from any adverse effects of cannabis and they are feeling the need to get rid of their cannabis...feel free to PM me and I'll releave them of their problem.

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'' Well, he would say that, wouldn't he?''.

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As 'this weeks studies' have shown,Cannabis can be mentally damaging to 'some' folk, which is half the reason i can't see it being legalised in the UK for anyone except the odd medical user perhaps.

"Weed" is probably the most commonly used "illicit drug" in the UK and this has bred a extremely large industry of illegal and criminal activity that could easily be curtailed by allowing regulated sales and responsible use.....its a no brainer surely :confused:

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Well you should know about No Brains.:D

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Yep, that's usually the end result. :)

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You do love your cheap shots don't you C....probably half the reason you end up with liver failure :D

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Thats as much as yeh know dummy, me livers fine.:rolleyes:

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So what's the other half, since you're wrong about the first half

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Well it may be cheap shots,but its n honest opinion.

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Watch Channel 4 on March 3 Sunshine, Drugs Live: Cannabis on Trial.
To quote John Snow "if many who smoke this stuff had ever seen the physical effects on the brain as displayed through the MRI scanner, they would make a more informed judgment as to what they were doing"
Most of your mind farts are trivial and amusing AccyX but as you pointed out a while ago, this is a child friendly forum. Your utterances on here are foolish, myopic and misleading.

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Yes indeed this week we have studied your mood and opinion changes, thank you for your time, you really have gone out of your way to show how weed can affect the afflicted.

In future we should try to ensure that only those that can hold their thoughts together will be allowed to use illegal drugs.

You can stop posting now the experiment is over.

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With the greatest respect folks, you obviously don't have a clue :rolleyes: You arrogantly assume that you know all of the variables, when in actuality your snide comments just show your bigotry :D.

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Variables my arse, All i know is stupidity when i see it.:rolleyes:

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Tsk tsk tsk AccyX you resurrect a thread from 2009 and add nothing to the debate. Other than a ringing endorsement you are flip flop attention seeker.
I'll hop off this thread pinching Margaret's comments and set my tvbox to record the Channel 4 programme.
Happy to hear your thoughts after then though. :)

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I don't need to watch it in order to gain my opinion,I'm already quite knowledgable on this topic ,I will gladly chat with you or any other member after you/they've watched the programme as long as it doesn't sink into the usual bickering.
As I've already said half the problem is the prohibition of cannabis and for me the only side effect (that I'm willing to admit to) is perhaps the "munchies" :).
The key,like most things in life, is moderation.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wcxNF-CXCt4

I guess with a name like snow, a "whitey" was inevitable :D

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I know I said I was done..But hey, I am female I can change my mind(about some things).
If this program was to show that cannabis was harmless and a bit of fun you would be promoting the program with great gusto. You have posted athree minute clip and deem it a whitewash because it doesn't fit in with your thoughts on this drug.

There are current trials of medical grade cannabis being undertaken in the search for a treatment for brain tumours.
It appears that the cannabis has a very active role in preventing the formation of blood vessels within a brain tumour.....and that those that are already formed are damaged by the active ingredient in cannabis.
So don't you think that this is a possibility in healthy brains too?
That this damage to blood vessels may be responsible for the change in personality of those who use this drug recreationally over long periods of time, whether in moderation or not?

As to your thoughts that legalising the drug will make it safer and control the drug dealers....that will not happen. There will always be drug dealers on the street.....there is illegal trade in booze and fags and cannabis would be no different.....People will always go for the cheapest option.
Legalising cannabis would make the drug liable to a tax of some description(can you see any government willing to allow the use of something without slapping a tax on it?)...it would also send put the message that it is safe.

Now, I truly am done......if you want more of my thoughts on this subject there are plenty of them in the archives...Go search!

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I think you've cracked it there, Margaret!

Could explain a lot about AccyE.;)

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Yoda! Is that you?;)

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Not that simple here in the Great White (and cold: -27) North. The laws concerning weed do cover the whole country ... but, different police forces do not enforce the laws equally in across the country. The only national police force we have, the RCMP, doesn't have all that much presence in most communities, except for the West ... in Kingston, you are not likely to run into them unless they bust the door down at 3:00 am with a warrant to search for evidence of terrorist plots.:rolleyes: Most chiefs of police don't want to be bothered with simple possession ... or even minor trafficking. They would prefer to apply expensive resources in more important areas. Judges, altho' they rarely go on the record, don't want this mickey mouse bs cluttering up their dockets.

This is an election year, and tho' all three major parties have policies on what to do with weed, it doesn't seem to be causing too much of a stir. Voters tend to be more focused on the economy, health care, education and the poor performance of the Toronto Maple Leafs. Also the majority of Canadians (that would be 3% ... you can do the arithmetic:D) wouldn't have a shiite hemorrhage if it were decriminalized. And I for one would like to see this non-issue drift away in a cloud of aromatic smoke.

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I don't think any amount of debating is going to change your firm view on this topic M,as usual,you'll make a calculated and informed judgement.....and that's fine I respect your opinion.
However,What I've a problem with is usual clowns proclaiming to know everything on the subject when it's obvious they haven't a clue and this is reflected in their opinions being made up of bile and bigotry.

Re the tv program I don't need to watch it to know that:
1. The presenter "Mr snow" has form with taking mind altering drugs.
Jon Snow acid trip experience: Channel 4 presenter reveals he once drove down the motorway high on LSD from spiked strawberry flan - Mirror Online
Which could contribute to any findings.

2.if your smoking cannabis for the first time you don't go straight onto vaporising "skunk" and assume you'll be fine to jump under a mri scanner etc without suffering a little anxiety....which I assume they'll try and portray as psychosis caused purely by cannabis use .... in short the program will be aimed at the feeble minded.
Will Ch4 (in the name of science and accurate research) be doing the same experiment, with more experienced cannabis users to achieve a broader, more representative set of results?Hmmmm

The list of damaging substances in the world is endless M,you could probably find a survey to fit any argument be it brain tumours,helping cancer and anything in between.


How would you say a responsible user of cannabis in uk,who uses cannabis to self medicate, should acquire it?
Carry on buying it from dodgy Dave on a rough housing estate? Perhaps,growing their own at the risk of becoming a criminal themselves?
Policing it doesn't work so why not let folk get it from a outlet where you choose the potency and get advice if needed (with a few buffers in place) this has got to be better than funding the criminal underworld?

The legal Cannabis market could be worth a fortune....... win,win as they say:-
Legal cannabis market 'would be worth £1.25bn a year to government' | Society | The Guardian

And for info on the licensing and regulation this is a interesting document:

http://issuu.com/beckleypark/docs/bf...210503/7093696

Sorry, if this topic is boring you...I'm interested in hearing your thoughts (without searching the forum).

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and 9/10 people on this forum actually know the meaning of that :rolleyes:

I think he was alluding that you drink these Cheap Shots

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With regards to legalisation this article is quite interesting (to some).
Legal Weed Is Killing Mexican Drug Cartels | The Daily Caller

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This isn't particularly about weed; but it probably ain't worth a thread of its own ... and it is about drugs, the kinds that you get in drug stores.

It's been so cold here that there is little to do except stay inside (except when shoveling), drink, toke, screw, and watch TV. Come to think of it, apart from the TV thing, that isn't all that bad.:D But I've been watching so much TV that I've started to really take notice of the ads, particularly the ones for drugs. You probably get the same ones: in a thirty second ad you get 5 seconds of all the marvelous things the product does for you ... and 25 seconds of side effects: My fav is "May cause death.":alright: It makes weed seem not all that bad. And if you decide it's not for you, you can stop taking it without checking with your doctor.

As an aside, I remember my gran going to the herbalist for cold cures and stuff like that. And the only side effect was that they tasted like shiite.:D

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Programming for the weak minded E :D

On this side of the pond Dr's are more than willing to give us a prescription for a drug that is (possibly) addictive and even if it doesn't kill us it can have a list of adverse side effects.But yet we are unable to choose a non-toxic alternative like cannabis because of propaganda fuelled by the MSM etc :confused:

Some folk (like you and I) have experienced the reality of cannabis over a decade or two and because of that experience we are able to see straight through the propaganda that some are so easily duped by.

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Really? Perhaps a browse at the following ......

First Woman in UK Dies From Smoking Marijuana: What is Cannabis Poisoning?

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I rest my case :p

We couldn't find anything else to blame and she had weed in her system therefore it must of been weed :D

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Don't rest your case, rest your brain, the strain of following one letter with another in an attempt to a reasonable sentence is obviously doing more harm than good.

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For me, it would be a half century ... For some reason, a half century sounds like more than fifty years, probably in the same way that a Rotten Ronnie's Quarter Pounder sounds like you're getting more than 4 ounces of "beef".:D

I also don't buy into the argument that the fact that weed "is illegal" ends any debate on the subject. Many things that were illegal when I was young are no longer so: homosexuality comes to mind, as do suicide, abortion, impersonating a Chelsea Pensioner ... oops, sorry about the last one; I'm not that old.:D Some things seem "naturally" illegal: murder, robbery, rape (altho' in some countries it's the victim who is punished), arson, and other usual suspects; but other things are up for debate ... or, in Canada, end up challenged in the Supreme Court. The illegality of certain drugs is a question of politics: "Will we get elected if we support decriminalization?"

Ontario has some of the most restrictive laws concerning the purchase of alcohol, not because we drink less than folks in Quebec, but because no Ontario political party has the balls to lighten up on the rules. It's politics, a euphemism for BS.

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Yawn :thefinger

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Pathetic reply, but that IS you.[emoji33]

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There is no case. The article in question is used to highlight the fact that your assertion that weed is non-toxic isn't quite correct. There are levels of toxicity associated with cannabinoids that while they may appear negligible to frequent & hardened indulgers, they do have a cumulative long term effect on the user.

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What pees me off is that everything I like is illegal, immoral, or fattening. Not original, but, at least, my version is grammatically correct.;):D

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That's fine Eric & as long as your Sheriffs continue to be relaxed about things you'll not be worrying about any pokey time. Where as here (and the UK) on the other hand. :)

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What pees me off is idiots that bring life to the forefront, do we need their input?
My answer is no, use it if you wish but don't think others need you to brag about using it.

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Say what you will about my under weight,over priced, dear "Mary Jane" the (mathematical) truth remains that smoking cannabis is less harmful than drinking alcohol yet some idiots (who we certainly don't need the input of) boast no end about drinking in their local establishment :rolleyes:

But I guess that's how the war on drugs has to be fought.'Facts' will only undermine the war on drugs.
Take Professor Nutt (I know, not the best example):-
"Sacked – for telling the truth about drugs".
Sacked – for telling the truth about drugs - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent

Cannabis only became illegal through propaganda of a Egyptian delegate,and believe it or not, my source isn't Beano......this time :D
How Cannabis was Criminalised

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Forget about it ... facts don't matter; so, we don't need links. The divisive arguments are over. Nobody really gives a [deleted] about folks using a little weed now and again ... or even every day. It's relatively safe ... give or take a few side effects: the munchies can lead to obesity:eek: ... and relatively cheap. Not too many are going to rob banks or mug pensioners to get $45 to buy a quarter, an amount that would last me a week unless I sprinkle it on my Cornflakes for breakfast.;) It's not even a big political issue.

Decriminalization would be a plus ... but no body is getting time for simple possession any more. The heat doesn't want to be bothered. Nor do the courts. It's kinda like jaywalking ... it's illegal but folks don't get busted for it. Some do get hit by buses ... Divine justice maybe.:D ... but there aren't too many donut munchers who want to waste their time writing a ticket. Overly restrictive laws against weed will crumble naturally, like the Berlin Wall.

Meanwhile, I'm sure that most of us would like our politicians to deal with more pressing issues ... yours will be different from ours ... but most of them can be reduced to "How can we put more money into our pockets." It could be "leaving the EU", or "building a pipeline to the West Coast to carry dangerous crude"; but those things, plus health care, education, racism, poverty, crime, taxes, regional disparities .... ok, you probably get the picture ... are way up on the voters' list of the problems they want their governments to address. Weed is way down on that list.

All debate about this non-issue is irrelevant ... it doesn't matter ... let it drop.

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It's very hard to get naturally grown cannabis these days and skunk (artificially grown stuff forced to grow faster in doors using special lights etc) the old stuff (grown naturally in fields under sunlight) was allowed to grow naturally in the wild and cultivated naturally and there is a big difference in chemical structure between them. As skunk is forced to grow faster some of the chemicals that cause well being are less, than the chemicals that cause psychosis which are more.

The reason why skunk has become more widely available is because the Drug Enforcment Agency's stops it getting out of the places where it grows naturally (India, Pakistan, Afghanistan etc) so effectively that it's less risky and more profitable to set up cannabis farms in the UK - where the majority of the stuff is now grown. So you could say that it's the War on Drugs that has forced users to take the stuff that is more damaging to their mental health. If people were allowed to grow their own in natural ways then there would not be the same damage done.

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While I agree it may be hard to get the weaker (sativa) grass type cannabis in today's market,I disagree with your "As skunk is forced to grow faster some of the chemicals that cause well being are less, than the chemicals that cause psychosis which are more" comment.
It would be just as easy for the 'hash in the attic' growers to grow the weaker sativa strains as apposed to the 'indica' strains that produce bigger crops and have bigger cash earning potential.

Hmmm, sounds like justification as M would say.
You could also say,while most drugs can be taken in limited quantities, with no adverse effects, the cumulative use of most have the ability to be particularly harmful with skunk being near the top of the list....and that's the reason it's illegal.

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What a totally convincing argument! Such unarguable logic.

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Just because its grown naturally doesn't mean there isn't any naturally grown variety that is very strong. But most of what you would find here is forced unnatural strong. Whos to say that messing with nature does not have negative effects in cannabis just like it does everything else. Back in the early 2000's I tried some that was from a place called durban in africa. My friend(sadly now dead) had known somebody who lived in africa and had smuggled a little over when he visited england. It is very hard to grow here, one joint and I was completely out of it.

I know myself cannabis isn't that dangerous, however years down the line I have had bouts of depression and anxiety. But that could be attributed to 10 years of alcohol abuse, though many start drinking heavily because of depression and not the other way around. I am a good case to show that perhaps it might have long term negative effects on some people

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Rob it is always hard to look back and decide which of our actions might have caused problems.
I just hope that you can look back and realise that you have learned something about life, about yourself and are a stronger person for that.
We are all the sum total of our experiences. Sometimes it is very hard to confess that some of our actions were ill considered, detrimental even.
Stay strong and stay well.

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True Marijuana cannot be grown naturally in our climate - hence the need for a multitude of growlights, therefore heavy usage of electricity which leads to theft of electricity, otherwise the Electricity Companies would soon inform the Police of unusual consumption.

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Wrong - I can't say why ;)

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ps - the sun wasn't stronger 30 years ago that I know of

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I don't think today's "skunk" is that much stronger than the green stuff of the 70s tbh.....The reason folk started growing it here in the UK (about the mid 80s) is because the imported resin stuff was being cut with a array of toxins, folk didn't want the quality to deteriorate further so "users" responded to the cut (weak) stuff by growing their own.....not an ideal climate,but not impossible...then they introduced artificial techniques to try restore some of the quality that had been lost.

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How hemp moved back into the agricultural mainstream | Environment | The Guardian

extract -
"The ban on hemp cultivation, imposed in 1971 under the Misuse of Drugs Act, was finally overturned in 1993. Campaigners successfully argued that although industrial hemp was a variety of the cannabis plant, it could be grown as a legitimate crop as it contained practically no tetrahydrocannabinol, the property that gives marijuana - a different strain of cannabis - its potent effect."

Hemp can be used to make fabric (an alternative to cotton) and paper.
Using hemp for these is less damaging to the environment

"On an environmental level, this makes sense. Research by the Stockholm Institute has concluded that the "ecological footprint" of hemp is lower than polyester and half that of cotton. Unlike hemp, cotton needs huge amounts of water, herbicides and pesticides to help keep it disease-free. "The world has reached its limit on cotton production," says Sue Riddlestone, a director at BioRegional. "We need to find an alternative to cotton that we can produce in volume and, with the right technology, hemp could provide the answer, as well as being far kinder to the environment."

This just adds to my statement that cannabis is naturally growable in UK.

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Hey, MargaretR, you're going to a lot of trouble to cover your tracks here!

'Methinks thou protesteth over-much'.

It's no good, you keep letting little bits of your past slip out.;)

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I have plenty to remember

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFtGfyruroU

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Have just read through most of this thread, or should I say the latest postings to it, and I must admit that I found some postings to be a bit pathetic, especially the ones that boast about the use of drugs – like it’s a ‘big’ thing to do. Did you really think that we needed to know either about your habits or your perceived knowledge of this subject, AccyX?

While I agree it is a subject worth debating I think that if a person is into drugs then no amount of arguments against them would make that person think other than that they pose no harm to his/her health. On the other hand…..

Again AccyX – your remarks that ‘I control the cannabis not the other way around’ makes me think of the alcoholic who says ‘I can stop drinking any time I like’ or the smoker (of nicotine) who says the same re smoking cigarettes. Bulldust! Absolute denial of the fact….

…and, finally, AccyX I just hope that before you set out to take photos from dangerous vantage places you refrain from indulging in the stuff that you say does not control you.

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Even worse AccyX if you're going to take photos from dangerous vantage places, please refrain from indulging in alcohol. IMHO you're most likely to injure yourself that way

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I'm not advocating (or "boasting") about the use of drugs,well i wasn't trying to....in short, Cannabis 'can' cause some elements of 'dysfunction' in the brains of 'some' folk but Cannabis also has a host of other benefits and it's only Big Pharma (and perhaps the issues with profiting from it) that prevent Cannabis from being taken more seriously.

What i want to know is...,Will the folk who are so quick to jump on me for my "habits" be as quick to jump on those folk like Less ,for example, who have openly admitted on numerous posts (a form of boasting) to drinking Alcohol?
If you (or any other member) wish not to see my "perceived knowledge" on this (or other) subject i believe there is a ignore/block function....

…and, finally, I thank you for your concern about my health and well being,I can assure you my photo's are taken with safety in mind (and not a half baked or alcohol fueled mind either) ;)