Originally Posted by churchman phil (Post 573794)

You make it sound like it is solely all parents responsible Polly.
Peer group influence also plays a major factor in a lot of instances, as any teacher will also know.

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 573866)

I'm well aware of that, which is why I said that the Convention was enshrined into UK law in 1997 (although it was actually 1998, as Cyfr pointed out). In fact, UK citizens have been able to claim that their human rights have been infringed under the Convention at the Human Rights Court in Strausbourg since 1966. However, they could not enforce their rights in the UK until this government passed their Human Rights Act which, as you say, became enforceable in 2000 (October 2nd, to be precise).

As for the requirements of the EU, this seems to me to be yet reason to leave this corrupt, bloated, undemocratic institution. Presumably, the "people's rights" you refer to include the rights of various dangerous and hate-filled preachers of Islamic fascism not to be deported to their countries of origin, but to remain as guests of ours. I would suggest that we simply send them back and if our masters in Brussels object, do what the French do, when there's an EU ruling they don't like, and tell them where to go. Terribly unsophisticated I know, but tough! :p

Originally Posted by blazey (Post 574424)

Where did 'Islamic fascists' come into this question about teenagers in britain hanging around on streets?

Originally Posted by derekgas (Post 574432)

Ok, I will say it again, bring back national service, hanging, birch, etc etc, polly, your are beginning to sounds like a social worker, and in my opinion, they are part of the problem, plenty of good intention but no idea about reality, you cannot blame the parents totally, and cannot go around removing children from families because one/all the children have problems, you need to diagnose the problems CORRECTLY first, then address those problems, removing the kids is not the answer, I have two adopted children who are problematic, so am I to be locked up, and my other kids taken away because of that?

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 574589)

Think this is a classic example of tarring everybody with the same brush speaks volumes. I certainly don't think that because your two adopted children are problamatic should mean you should be locked up or have your other kids taken off you:(

Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 574909)

One of the drawbacks of this lovely weather is that the morons emerge from their caves - drink too much - play loud music - sweat and smell (or overdose with perfume poisons)-
We are not a civilised nation - other countries cope with heat calmly so that everyone can enjoy it

Originally Posted by derekgas (Post 574915)

Only if they are not a holiday resort eh margaret? otherwise some of the same idiots go and spoil thiers too. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by blazey (Post 574929)

English people are well known for being badly behaved on holiday abroad, so I wouldn't say we are even behaved then.

We should all be sat inside like me, curtains closed, studying something interesting like Contract law. It's good for the soul.

Originally Posted by derekgas (Post 574952)

You trying to kid yourself blazey? Cos you aint kidding me. lol

Originally Posted by blazey (Post 574955)

For the first time this term I managed to go a full day without an alcoholic drink yesterday, and my head hurts so much today that there is no way I am doing the same again, so I am going to crawl to the refuge of my college bar later and make myself feel better.

But yes, staying inside studying is brilliant for the soul, so exhilarating... if you are drunk

Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 574971)

your head hurts because you havent had a drink :confused::confused: