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MargaretR 12-06-2008 23:56

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The ex Mayor is not the only local tory who makes promises then doesn't honour them
See thread
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ide-38079.html
PB is just as bad

Neil 13-06-2008 00:00

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 592041)
What I don't get in all this is the need to raise or appear to raise more than any previous or future Mayors.

Who said that was the intention.

Royboy39 13-06-2008 00:05

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Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 592046)
The ex Mayor is not the only local tory who makes promises then doesn't honour them
See thread
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ide-38079.html
PB is just as bad

Oh dear......here we go again.:eek:

BERNADETTE 13-06-2008 00:05

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 592049)
Who said that was the intention.

When it jumps from ten to fifteen thousand up to ninety odd thousand (or so we are led to believe) until the true facts start emerging what else are we supposed to think?? It appears to me that was the intention.

Neil 13-06-2008 00:17

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 592052)
It appears to me that was the intention.

Do you not think he was just trying to do his best and raise as much money as he could using a different method to the usual jumble sales and raffles?

Jumble sales and raffles are fine but there would not be a free event in Rhyddings Park on Sunday if we had used the jumble sale and raffle method of raising the money.

It looks to me like he was just trying to move with the times. Time will soon tell if it worked or not.

garinda 13-06-2008 00:17

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 592049)
Who said that was the intention.

As a publicity stunt, being the Mayor who raised the most money ever for charity in the borough's history, it does seem to have backfired spectacularly.

He does seem to attract unwanted publicity, which probably won't help his chances of being selected as the Conservative candidate at the next General Election...though personally I hope he does make it on to the ballot paper.

Neil 13-06-2008 00:26

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I think Doug Hayes should be hanging his head in shame. He has made himself look like a silly little jealous boy. Obviously Doug thinks its all about who raised the most and who worked the hardest.

He should be supporting his fellow party member not sticking a knife in his back.

I see nothing wrong with new methods of raising money. This may or may not have been a good new way, I don't know enough about the ins and outs of it.

BERNADETTE 13-06-2008 00:29

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 592058)
Do you not think he was just trying to do his best and raise as much money as he could using a different method to the usual jumble sales and raffles?

Jumble sales and raffles are fine but there would not be a free event in Rhyddings Park on Sunday if we had used the jumble sale and raffle method of raising the money.

It looks to me like he was just trying to move with the times. Time will soon tell if it worked or not.

So all the previous Mayors have raised their funds from jumble sales and raffles?? It looks to me like he was trying to hoodwink people into believing he had worked so hard that he had managed to raise seventy plus thousand more than any other Mayor.

katex 13-06-2008 08:54

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Originally Posted by g jones (Post 592029)
. The College, Mount Carmel, Hollins may not get their 10% as it is forbidden also under Charity rules to give to educational establishments I am led to believe. The mayoral fund is forbidden from giving to non Hyndburn residents so the Bethany Fund won't get 10%. Councils Audit and Investigations have been called in to sort out the mess.

Thought Cllr Dobson had checked everything was 'perfectly legal' before he went ahead ? Surely, this would have been one of the first pointers ?

Think I'm still confused to be honest, but doubt whether we are ever going to get him to explain himself in detail .. even though he used the Observer to boast about his fund. :(

lindsay ormerod 13-06-2008 20:30

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Lots of fingers in pies our Dobbo, my personal opinion is that it stinks,I can't say a lot more because I am brave/daft enough to have my name as my identity on here but I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.

Lilly 13-06-2008 21:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 592058)
Do you not think he was just trying to do his best and raise as much money as he could using a different method to the usual jumble sales and raffles?

Jumble sales and raffles are fine but there would not be a free event in Rhyddings Park on Sunday if we had used the jumble sale and raffle method of raising the money.

It looks to me like he was just trying to move with the times. Time will soon tell if it worked or not.

I agree, Neil.

Why are some ex mayors writing to the paper whinging that they raised their money via tombolas, raffles etc? :confused:

So Tony Dobson hasn't done a raffle, he's done something else. He's still raised money, hasn't he?

What's the beef? :confused:

lindsay ormerod 13-06-2008 21:42

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If, as Graham Jones says, the councils audit and investigations have been called in to look at it, then it's not all straight forward and hunky dory is it? :eek:

Lilly 13-06-2008 21:50

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Originally Posted by lindsay ormerod (Post 592478)
If, as Graham Jones says, the councils audit and investigations have been called in to look at it, then it's not all straight forward and hunky dory is it? :eek:

Is it not standard procedure that all complaints are investigated? I would have thought so.

The fact that they are investigating does not necessarily mean that there have been any dodgy goings on.

It sounds to me like several ex mayors have got the hump, one/some have complained so the situation is having to be looked at to ascertain exactly how the figure was reached.

BERNADETTE 13-06-2008 21:52

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Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 592482)
Is it not standard procedure that all complaints are investigated? I would have thought so.

The fact that they are investigating does not necessarily mean that there have been any dodgy goings on.

It sounds to me like several ex mayors have got the hump, one/some have complained so the situation is having to be looked at to ascertain exactly how the figure was reached.

From reading Grahams post it goes beyond a few ex mayors getting the humph

Royboy39 13-06-2008 22:05

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 592485)
From reading Grahams post it goes beyond a few ex mayors getting the humph

When and if all this is resolved in favour of the ex-mayor how many people will have egg on their faces?

WillowTheWhisp 13-06-2008 22:34

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Well there'll be several of us still wondering exactly what it's all about.

garinda 13-06-2008 22:41

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Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 592487)
how many people will have egg on their faces?

Sadly it will either be him or is his fellow Conservatives, who were the ones quoted in the press, saying how fishy this all smells.

Almost as much infighting amongst the local Tories as there is nationally.

Neil 14-06-2008 00:08

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 592496)
Almost as much infighting amongst the local Tories as there is nationally.


At least they are following the party trend :rolleyes::D:D

lindsay ormerod 19-06-2008 23:06

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According to today's Accy Observer the website poll WAS rigged !
317 votes came from the same computer,,,,
With the block votes removed 65% said they didn't approve of Tony Dobson's method of fund raising.
The Observer states " there is no suggestion that Councillor Dobson was involved in the vote rigging or knew anything about it".


So, over to the Tories to explain that one, would be interesting to know the IP address of the computer eh?:rolleyes:

Neil 19-06-2008 23:17

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LOL at the Observer having such a poor sytem that allowed it to happen.

Kate was right when she said the poll changed fast one morning.

I wonder why it took them so long to smell a rat?

lindsay ormerod 19-06-2008 23:23

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I would love to know the identity of the "rat" , major underhand tactics there....:eek:

Neil 19-06-2008 23:28

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You are assuming it was a Tory, maybe it was a Labour supporter who then admitted it to try and cause trouble. :D

lindsay ormerod 19-06-2008 23:40

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No twisted thinking from me Neil , maybe I am too honest !
I can't understand why, if someone wanted to fudge the poll , they would be daft enough to do it from the same pc, it's not rocket science surely?
So it smacks of a very blinkered person, obsessed by the Dobbo is right ethos.
I would imagine the Observer could follow it up, after all, they will have the miscreants IP address eh?:rolleyes:

cashman 19-06-2008 23:45

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Originally Posted by lindsay ormerod (Post 595378)
No twisted thinking from me Neil , maybe I am too honest !
I can't understand why, if someone wanted to fudge the poll , they would be daft enough to do it from the same pc, it's not rocket science surely?
So it smacks of a very blinkered person, obsessed by the Dobbo is right ethos.
I would imagine the Observer could follow it up, after all, they will have the miscreants IP address eh?:rolleyes:

i'm willing to bet they don't linds.:rolleyes:

Neil 19-06-2008 23:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lindsay ormerod (Post 595378)
I can't understand why, if someone wanted to fudge the poll , they would be daft enough to do it from the same pc, it's not rocket science surely?

That would have needed 317 different internet connections assuming one ip per connection. I wonder if Tony has 317 friends :D.

As for following it up to find the deviant I doubt that the ISP in question would be forced by law to give out details for such a serious crime :D. Even publishing the IP would probably be a breach of data protection laws.

garinda 19-06-2008 23:55

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Thank goodness it wasn't anything important.

At first I thought they were suggesting the Bonny Baby competition had been rigged.

Neil 19-06-2008 23:57

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 595386)
Thank goodness it wasn't anything important.

At first I thought they were suggesting the Bonny Baby competition had been rigged.


OMG I never thought of that.

I still can't believe that the vote could be rigged. What a naff system that counted all those votes from the same PC.

cashman 20-06-2008 00:00

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 595389)
OMG I never thought of that.

I still can't believe that the vote could be rigged. What a naff system that counted all those votes from the same PC.

anything can be rigged within reason neil, all ya need is crap monitering.:rolleyes: eg. bush in florida. lol

garinda 20-06-2008 00:03

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 595389)
OMG I never thought of that.

I still can't believe that the vote could be rigged. What a naff system that counted all those votes from the same PC.

I must be too thick to be a cheat.

Once you've voted in their poll, the option then disappears.

Obviously a way round that, but it's beyond me.:confused:

BERNADETTE 20-06-2008 00:09

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 595393)
I must be too thick to be a cheat.

Once you've voted in their poll, the option then disappears.

Obviously a way round that, but it's beyond me.:confused:

Maybe because it would never enter your head;)

Neil 20-06-2008 00:13

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 595393)
Obviously a way round that, but it's beyond me.:confused:

I am sure our internet and linux guru will be along in the morning to explain how it all works.

cashman 20-06-2008 00:31

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 595399)
I am sure our internet and linux guru will be along in the morning to explain how it all works.

i'm still here.:D

jaysay 20-06-2008 10:25

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 595392)
anything can be rigged within reason neil, all ya need is crap monitering.:rolleyes: eg. bush in florida. lol

I agree with a lot of people what a crap system, you can't rig a poll on here, so how can it happen on the Observers. I have to say that I think the Obs web site is also crap its not a patch on the Telegraph:rolleyes:

cashman 20-06-2008 12:51

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 595526)
I agree with a lot of people what a crap system, you can't rig a poll on here, so how can it happen on the Observers.

thought you knew better n that.:D;)

katex 20-06-2008 12:54

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Didn't vote on it myself, 'cause still not sure exactly what we were voting on !

See that Cllr. Dobson stated to the Observer, that he didn't even know they ran a poll (well, have to sorta' believe him I suppose). Bet you know Jaysay.

Then he throws his toys out of his pram by stating: "I am getting a bit fed up of all this now. All I was doing was trying something a little bit different and I get all this aggro". sob, sob. You will sir, if you are not willing to explain to us common folk exactly how you did it !! Then we can judge.

cashman 20-06-2008 13:12

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 595628)
Didn't vote on it myself, 'cause still not sure exactly what we were voting on !

See that Cllr. Dobson stated to the Observer, that he didn't even know they ran a poll (well, have to sorta' believe him I suppose). Bet you know Jaysay.

Then he throws his toys out of his pram by stating: "I am getting a bit fed up of all this now. All I was doing was trying something a little bit different and I get all this aggro". sob, sob. You will sir, if you are not willing to explain to us common folk exactly how you did it !! Then we can judge.

you keep out of my domain, I am common.:D

katex 20-06-2008 13:21

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 595636)
you keep out of my domain, I am common.:D

No, Cashy .. only one of you sweetheart ... :D

WillowTheWhisp 20-06-2008 14:08

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Originally Posted by lindsay ormerod (Post 595365)
The Observer states " there is no suggestion that Councillor Dobson was involved in the vote rigging or knew anything about it".


Why is it that whenever I read "There is no suggestion that..........." it immediately sounds to me like that is exactly what they are suggesting?

Alvin the chipmunk 20-06-2008 16:23

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Dont see the problem to be honest. Charities have benefited in the long run.

jaysay 20-06-2008 16:26

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 595663)
Why is it that whenever I read "There is no suggestion that..........." it immediately sounds to me like that is exactly what they are suggesting?

Because you have a very suspicious mind like me Willow, but I'm not sugesting that TD knew anything about it:D

katex 20-06-2008 16:56

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Originally Posted by Alvin the chipmunk (Post 595753)
Dont see the problem to be honest. Charities have benefited in the long run.

Still missing the point Alvin ! We don't really know if they have raised any more than normal.

Neil 20-06-2008 17:00

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 595771)
Still missing the point Alvin ! We don't really know if they have raised any more than normal.

Smoke and mirrors Kate, thats why we don't know ;)

jaysay 20-06-2008 17:05

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 595771)
Still missing the point Alvin ! We don't really know if they have raised any more than normal.

Does it really matter kate, as Alvin as made a valid statement, charities have benefitted after all, okay TD didn't use the normal methods but there was nothing illegal and everything was up and above board, I can't see the problem myself, mind you I'm a pragmatist and don't look to find he worst in people, except one that is:D no names no pack drill:rolleyes:

katex 20-06-2008 17:25

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 595780)
Does it really matter kate, as Alvin as made a valid statement, charities have benefitted after all, okay TD didn't use the normal methods but there was nothing illegal and everything was up and above board, I can't see the problem myself, mind you I'm a pragmatist and don't look to find he worst in people, except one that is:D no names no pack drill:rolleyes:

Grrrrr .. losing the will to live now ... :eek::silly:

We still do not know how they benifited and where the 10% came from !.. if was from the £ 10,000 .. that would be roughly £8,000 paid out from this and the other charities would have lost out ! (Although Cllr. Dobson has stated in reply to a letter 1,000's left in the pot for other charities.. look forward to the audit). Just wanted to know how it was worked that is all !! May have even voted a Yes on the poll if it had been explained.

WillowTheWhisp 20-06-2008 17:31

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^^^^ what she said ^^^^

Neil 20-06-2008 17:45

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 595789)
May have even voted a Yes on the poll if it had been explained.

It would appear that you could have voted 317 times if you wanted to :rolleyes::D:D:D

g jones 20-06-2008 22:21

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Posted via Mobile Device
bogus letters rigging of opinion polls. Both supporting Conservatives. Using tax payers money they spend hours upstairs on those computers churning out press release after press release. I wish they would give more time to the finances.

Lilly 20-06-2008 22:28

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Originally Posted by g jones (Post 595913)
Posted via Mobile Device
bogus letters rigging of opinion polls. Both supporting Conservatives. Using tax payers money they spend hours upstairs on those computers churning out press release after press release. I wish they would give more time to the finances.

Ooooh, turn your moby off and get another bevvy. :rolleyes::D

Don't be fretting about councillors/council on your night out.

Let yourself go wild and think about something else for a bit. :D

jaysay 21-06-2008 08:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by g jones (Post 595913)
Posted via Mobile Device
bogus letters rigging of opinion polls. Both supporting Conservatives. Using tax payers money they spend hours upstairs on those computers churning out press release after press release. I wish they would give more time to the finances.

I don't have an upstairs:confused::D:eek::p

garinda 21-06-2008 09:06

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 596071)
I don't have an upstairs:confused::D:eek::p

Personally I thought it very clear that you had nothing going on upstairs.:D

jaysay 21-06-2008 10:20

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 596075)
Personally I thought it very clear that you had nothing going on upstairs.:D

Don't think there's an answer to that Rindi, well one that won get me barred that is:D

accyman 21-06-2008 10:40

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is it me or is everything in accy relating to voting rigged :rolleyes:

jaysay 21-06-2008 12:05

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 596100)
is it me or is everything in accy relating to voting rigged :rolleyes:

Well yes, all except the poll in Peel ward on May 1st:D

WillowTheWhisp 21-06-2008 13:01

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I have an upstairs but my computer isn't there. I'd miss too much if it was!

Quote:

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 596100)
is it me or is everything in accy relating to voting rigged :rolleyes:

It's beginning to feel that way isn't it? No wonder there is so much apathy from the rest.

g jones 21-06-2008 19:25

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 596124)
Well yes, all except the poll in Peel ward on May 1st:D


Clive [fisher] was very nice. He worked hard and showed that conservatives do care. He said I had done a lot and residents had commented. His sister was nice. I offered him a place on any community groups and encouraged him to stay on. A certain Tory oft mentioned in this thread had led him to believe he could win and he felt a little let down. Not sure but I think there may have been less than 3 proxy votes in Peel.
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jaysay 22-06-2008 09:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by g jones (Post 596390)
Clive [fisher] was very nice. He worked hard and showed that conservatives do care. He said I had done a lot and residents had commented. His sister was nice. I offered him a place on any community groups and encouraged him to stay on. A certain Tory oft mentioned in this thread had led him to believe he could win and he felt a little let down. Not sure but I think there may have been less than 3 proxy votes in Peel.
Posted via Mobile Device

Never heard of a Tory oft, must have come to the fore since my days:D


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